Are features already being cut and scrapped from 7?

#1. They didn't bother renaming it (ok joke shows no effort to even try)

But seriously WinFS the new file system which was supposed to be a cornerstone and key piece of Vista was scrapped then it was suppose to be an update to Vista

Then as Part of Windows 7, now WinFS will not be part of Windows 7

now we are still using NTFS which dates back 12+ years.

While Mac OS and Apple updated their file system to make it more efficient and faster who knows what 10.6 will bring.


Also cut from Windows 7, Direct X 11

http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/09/microsoft-already-trimming-windows-7-features-directx-11-on-the/

So its standalone.

What exactly does & bring to the Table New? Touch Controls?? I remember my buddies Gateway Laptop had a Touch control Screen 5 years ago Tablet PC Edition.

 

Your correct that PC's have been available with touchscreens for quite some time. Windows 7 enhances this capability by incorporating Multi Touch into the system.

Don't forget about the new Libraries feature which gathers content (photos, video, documents, etc.) from multiple user-definable locations and places them into one easy to read view.

There's more but while 7 on the surface looks like Vista, it brings plenty of new features to the table: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_7

In contrast, here's what's been confirmed to be removed so far: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_removed_from_Windows_7

 

Um, WinFS is not a file system in the usual sense of the word, and it was never going to be part of Windows 7. It was an over ambitious project for Vista that was effectivly dumped as a single entity and torn apart years ago, with various bits of its core archetecture now found in other Microsoft technologies, like ADO.NET and MS SQL Server. WinFS lives and is being both used and developed, just not as a single project.

Also Directx 11 was not going to be part of Windows 7 either. Directx10.1 was.

 

Ok, as a Windows 7 user, I can say that DX11 comes with 7. The Windows Sidebar is now gone, replaced with standalone gadgets. The Start menu is also slightly different. I also believe that Flip3D is gone now as well. I think that one of the games has been scrapped and replaced by a online versions of a few other games.

 

There are some workaround to make the gadgets vista-like.

 

WinFS was never going to replace ntfs in vista, more like supplement it.

 

No new File system.

Desktop Standalone Gadgets

Menu bar Icons give you a larger preview of them before opening up.

Gee what does Windows 7 sound like to you guys?

there must be a panel at Microsoft running Mac OS X Leopard maybe 10.6 and saying lets see how many features we can ripoff and then Rename.


Is Windows 7 actually bring any new innovations or any thing relevant and new and fresh to the table.???

And please don't say MultiTouch I have used and tried out Microsoft's surface Table, and bought an HP Touchsmart PC

and This Multitouch crap is Just a "gimmic" it looks nice its fun But its not usefull or Practical for Daily Use.

Not practical in Photoshop or Video Editing Word nothing Maybe fun for Kids and MS Paint.

I can see a few games using it but the vast Majority will avoid it since it will no doubt slow down performance.

and 99.9% of PC without Touch Screens will end up disabling it.

so what does Windows 7 really deliver to the end user?


other than breaking the stigma of running Vista besides isn't it still the same Vista Kernel??

 

Have you reviewed this?

http://blogs.computerworld.com/wow_bloggers_quite_like_windows_7

If not, give it a read, and make sure to read the associated articles, too.

 

OP, that article is sooooo old. Search google, W7 WILL have Directx 11:

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/windows_7_directx_11
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10610&Itemid=1

 

Oh, so you're a troll then

 

Can people ask a legit question, without being labled a troll?

web forums have the same post 9/11 mentality, that law enforcement does, any suspicious activity that they do not like person gets labled a Terrorist.

I did'nt see anyone answr my question about Windows 7, every acts as if it will cure everyones problems, That it will solve everything.

I don't see it doing anything new.

It can boot Faster? Really Vista SP1 boots very fast.


The fact is that Windows 7 is basically Vista and uses teh same Hardware and Driver system, So if Windows 7 Had been launched Prior to Windows Vista its would have still brought the same Hardware requirements and Driver incompatabilities.


But since everyone wants Vista out of the way 7 is more of a Placebo, Its Vista with patches that are needed But Calling it a new OS theres nothing new there.

Imagine how happy everyone will be when 7 launches you have to pay Bill the Microsoft Tax of $199 or $300 for a Full 64-bit Version Install 7 and have problems.

Show me something that 7 can do that Vista can not thats relevant and worth doing?

because its 1 second faster in laoding IE c'mon thats worth $300 or $199 who knows how much.

 

He's saying your a troll because your not making any effort to research. Your clearly misinformed on quite a few things. You asked about windows 7 features, i'll just name a few...

• performance gains (including bootup, services etc..)
• libraries
• device stage
• new aero features
• new and improved taskbar
• homegroup
• various UI improvements
• better uac controls
• new version of media center
• integrated biometrics
• more customization

I could probably keep going.

 

Will have, no... has DX11:



Just run dxdiag...

 

Also, it is rumoured that the upgrade price from Vista to 7 will be in the $50 range (from X version of Vista to X version of 7).

I think you need to look at it differently. Take XP for example, it only had some relatively minor (mostly eyecandy) improvements over Win2000, was slower because of the UI, used a lot of memory, and it was compatible with anything that ran on Windows 2000 (though remember that the consumer market was not running Win2k), just because it actually works and is compatible does not mean it is the same OS. People will pay hundreds of dollars to get performance improvements that are likely not much more significant than this piece of software provides. I get over well over an extra hour of battery life on my laptop, which in the past would have been a cost for buying a larger, heavier battery.

I do prefer the old taskbar, but most people don't use quick launch in the way that I do. for people who would pin 3 programs that they use constantly to quick launch, the new taskbar would be benifical to them.

Greg

 

Vista wasn't able to run on a laptop with 512 megs of ram, yet Windows 7 can, and it does so extremely efficiently.

So Mr. Apple fan boy,

GTFO and go back to your apple forums.

 

Have you read any of the Windows 7 articles on the web that explain exactly what's changed, both visible and under the hood?

 

Oh boy, let the FUD campaign for Windows 7 begin.

I'll just say this. The NTFS that exists today is NOT the same NTFS that existed back in Windows NT 4.0. What this fallacious argument essentially mimics is the accusation that the internet has not progressed in any meaningful way since 1991 because we're still using HTML when we should be using some new-fangled bullcrap like ZTML. The name is the same, the file system is different.

 

Everyone acts as if Windows 7 will cure the common cold or save us from ourselves. I did some research, and there are new things, but please lets not call this a new OS, its Vista with some heavy Patches, that should be part of Vista SP2 anyways.

But I understand Microsoft's and the PC's community need for a placebo and to be able to tell people they are not running Vista.

But a much better OS Windows 7. But 7 is Vista anyways


I mean a retail copy of Vista Home Premium goes for over $200 still.

Is that what Microsoft expects people to pay all over again for some bug fixes c'mon.

 

Does anybody see the Problem Reports & Solutions app that was in Vista? Maybe I'm blind, but I can't find it in Windows 7. I would think this app would be handy in auto-submitting some of the glitches instead of the Feedback form..........

 

*Yawn*

 

You've made a few interesting claims in this post. First, you have claimed that there are new things in Windows 7. You have also claimed that Windows 7 is Vista with heavy patches. Then you went on to state that Windows 7 is bugfixes and therefore not worth it.

One contradiction that you've generated here is that most people take bugfixes to not be new features, but rather, a perfection of existing features. If you maintain that there are new things AND that Seven is just Vista with bugfixes, then basically you're asking us all to believe that A AND !A, which seems implausible.

But, just out of curiosity, what do you require for an operating system to be a new operating system?

 

Well, the vast majority of users never upgrade an existing OS, so no, I don't think Microsoft expects most people who are presently on Vista will run out and buy Windows 7 off the shelf at Best Buy. Some people (like those who are inclined to hang out in tech forums) will, but the hoards of unwashed will remain on whatever OS it was that shipped with their Dell or HP, and won't acquire Windows 7 until they get a new machine someday.

What Microsoft DOES expect is that the new Windows 7 on new machines will help wash the (undeserved) stink from Vista away. The name Vista is like Edsell, there's just no saving it. You can hardly fault Microsoft for trying to move on, even if it's taking Vista R2 and renaming it Windows 7. It's simple marketing.

If they were forcing people to shell out for an upgrade, then someone could legitimately cry foul. But just like one doesn't need to trade their 2008 Honda Accord for the slightly changed 2009 model, one doesn't need to move from Vista to Windows 7 if it doesn't have what you want.

 

The reason Vista had a bad rep was you had to wait 6 months after the retail release for drivers. Creative Labs gave up on some cards and told people to buy new cards. My audigy card was a pain to get drivers working with.

This after waiting 5 years for a new windows.

 

Go away. troll. Windows 7 is so much better. Go away from the microsoft section and don't come back.

 

What Microsoft DOES expect is that the new Windows 7 on new machines will help wash the (undeserved) stink from Vista away.

thats exactly what its supposed to do, But it still Vista with a new name.

There was a significant jump in features security from 98 to XP, and there was a significant jump from 98 to XP features Icons you name it.

But to try and sell Vista to 7 as a jump, same features same icons same graphical UI.

Why so much hardware and software never got Vista patches it was horrible.

And the Class action lawsuit Microsoft faces over

Vista Capable systems or Vista Aero or Vista Premium PC's that were sold should take away what ever profits Microsoft gains from 7. Even MS executives were confused those emails in court will convict them.


what irks me, is how everyone is loving Windows 7, Loving windows 7 means you love Vista. Windows 7 my guess in 85% Vista, is that a new OS to you?

 

Ice Cold, please read by previous post.

Greg

 

And mine, too.

 

This.

It's clear that this guy's sole intention is to do some MS, Vista and 7 bashing. Sad really.

@Ice Cold, please go back to the Apple section and keep drinking the kool-aid. Kthxbi.

 

What's your point? Yes the change from Vista to Windows 7 feels minor (on the surface) compared to say, the move from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95, but so what? This hurts you how? You're not obligated to upgrade if the reward for doing so isn't sufficient.

And I think you're being a little blind to many other minor OS upgrades. Windows 95 OSR2.5 -> Windows 98 wasn't exactly shocking. Nor was Windows 98 --> Millennium, despite the fact the Millenium actually added a number of forward-thinking ideas that eventually became XP. In fact, isn't XP really just Millennium melded to Windows 2000 and given a cartoonish taskbar? I mean, the XP that you're referring to today is really XP SP2. That wasn't XP in 2001.

And besides, there's more to the underpinnings of an OS than icons and the GUI.

As far as poor driver support for Vista, whose fault is that? If it takes Nvidia 6 months after the Vista release to produce suitable drivers, then bad on Nvidia. Or Epson. Or HP. Or whoever else ended up being surprised by an OS that was 7 years in development.

 

I don't get it. I don't. Its like everyone is having a Windows 7 party.

To this day Windows 7 even when it ships will not have reached the Flexibility and stability and feature set of Mac OS X 10.5

And here is everyone proclaiming how Windows 7 will solve everything and be the iPhone of operating systems and change the world.

You have 2 seconds to name 1 thing Windows 7 brings new to the table that Vista or OS X can not do.

One Mississippi
Two Mississippi
times up...

 

Did anyone forget to mention, Welcome to the Windows 7 thread...
Now say something productive or GO AWAY.

And as an answer to this question, Run on a non-apple made computing product? Or do these not exist... in your mind anyway.

 

Well put, well put.

 

Well, I think that you're engaging in a bit of hyperbole here. I've not seen that many people making such claims. (the iPhone of OS's?) All I really see are people who've downloaded the beta of a new OS and seem to like it. No one's claiming it's the messiah of Operating Systems, at least not that I've seen.

As far as Windows vs OS X. Dude, don't start that here. If I want to look cool in Starbucks, I'll get a macbook and run OS X. If I want compatibility with twenty times as much hardware and software, I'll run Windows. Because one is nice doesn't automatically mean that the other sucks.

 

Blackbox. Oh dear, I passed your little test, that troll failed didn't it :*****(

 

This thread has gone off topic... way-ta-go guys!

 

Its not the same, I mean Aero Peak is something new. And thats a feature that is useful. You can image how useful the feature would be on the new Sony Vaio P . The keyboard commands that go with Aero Peak would help.

Even if say Windows 7 only has one new feature and thats the Aero Peak. Some people would still upgrade. Say I had multiple modification of the same image. Sure I can put them side by side. But what if I want to see them on top of each other kind of like if I were to print out each picture and flip them back and forth. Aero Peak would allow me to do this.

I'm just tossing one example, but there are other examples where this feature may be useful.

Why does Vista need to be patched for hardware or software that doesn't work with Vista? I mean its the responsiblity of the hardware or software makers to make sure that their stuff runs on Vista. Microsoft set high standards for Vista Capable software. An example is Spybot Search & Destory and the process they had to go through to try to get their software certified for Vista (which failed btw). Bigger software developers may refuse to comply with Microsoft or attempt to force Microsoft to drop some requirements or "make it easier" by removing something they had in the OS.

Vista isn't a bad OS, I mean if an OEM installs alot of bloatware on Windows Vista. Do we just simply blame Microsoft that Vista sucks? No. Its partially the OEM's fault for adding alot of bloatware on their machines (buy a laptop today and you'll see what I mean). Now for the average consumer with little computer knowledge, the easier culprit to blame is Microsoft. I mean they will just compare their old XP system to the new Vista system without considering that OEM nowadays put in more bloatware on their machines than they did in the past.

 

No it hasn't. It was always an apple troll. It's just even MORE SO now

 

Ok, so I now see that you aren't even reading what we are posting, you are just rambling on now Ice Cold. Stop it. If you aren't going to read or comment on what we have to say to you, why are you posting here and stirring up trouble.

I'm thinking that we have another day, maybe 2, before this thread is locked.

Oh, and for the last time, 7 is NOT $200. Rumors are a $50 dollar upgrade, and you are talking about the cost for a non-upgrade retail copy. Practially nobody buys those. 7 makes the experience of using a computer better, whether you like it or not.

You know, Microsoft is allowed to make good software every now and then.

Greg

 

At last the little troll creeps up from under the bridge, go away, I'd like to argue or prove anything too you as much as I'd do to a religions fanatic, because really, you're stuck in the Jobs Reality Distortion Field.

 

I'm not sure, I know a lot of Apple users, and most are not close as annoying as him. I bet the only reason he is over here causing a racket is because he is bitter from being banned from the Apple threads, for annoying them.

 

I am reading the comments, Especially the ones post something productive or go away. Gee thats a healthy attitude. I preffer the Obama approach of spirited discussion and even disagreement but everyone is heard.

Proof positive to my point that 7 is largely Vista is the $50 upgrade price, I think it should be free, but Microsoft wants to reccoup som eof the attorneys fees and settlement claims the class action lawsuit will end up costing them Since Vista Capable PC's could not run Vista.

Will we see Windows capable stickers on PC at Best Buy or Aero Capable stickers who knows.

I wonder why Microsoft does not see fit to announce a pricing Structure, since Windows 7 is due in 2009

there was a Pricing structure know for Vista way in advance. Its as if they want to keep the backlash bottled up .

So 1 month prior to Launch or even weeks prior they will say It will cost this much.

I want to see how much a Full retail version of

Windows 7 64-bit will cost vs
Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit.

I just want to see someone come out and say 7 is better than OS X

I mainly use Windows because I preffer to build my own systems, My new Studio 17 is my first expereince with Vista SP1 at that, and it Fast stable and beautiful.


Now we have to pay up a tax to cover up for Microsoft's monumental blunder, which was How Vista was Launched, not so much Vista itself.

 

Vista is better than OSX. I said it. I do not like the interface of OSX or it's window management. I use OSX on a 2xDual Core Xeon Mac Pro at school for video editing, and while I agree that OSX is simpler, I don't find many of the functions intuitive and compatibility is not there at all. I downloaded handbrake and it would just not run, no error telling what the problem was, just never ran. Apparantly if it runs of Leopard it won't run on Tiger.

I'm not calling you ignorant, I just wish that you would read and respond to many of the genuine comments and arguement from the other side.

My experience with 7 has been much better than Vista, that may not be true for everyone, but 7 is worth $100 to me.

Greg

 

I will say that I prefer Vista to OS X, and that Windows 7 looks like a worthy successor to Vista.

You have yet to answer any questions related to what you think should be required for an operating system to be considered "new" by yourself. All you do is rail on about how poor Windows 7 is and what other people think of it, and so people think you're a troll.

 

If memory serves, the pricing structure that was making it's rounds during Vista's first public beta was mildly overestimated and based on little more than rumors.

Since this is W7's first public beta, I see no reason why the same speculation won't continue. Nothing is written in stone anyway until companies get notification of their impending RTM shipments......

 

Microsoft has not said that Windows 7 will be released in 2009. Ballmer said that they'd certainly LIKE to see a 2009 release, but that they wouldn't release it until it was ready. Windows 7 has always been slated for 2010, and Microsoft has never officially changed that.

Now, I tend to think that it'll come around this year, but wailing about the lack of pricing information on January 14 is ludicrous.

 

Hey Ice Cold,

Did you even bother to review the links I provided? I think not, because if you had done so, you'd have some answers to your questions. I'm forced to agree with the other posters in this thread - you aren't looking for answers, you just want to bash this release. Looks to me like you're just another rabid Apple fanboy.

 

Well said.

You can thank Ice Cold for that, actually.

 

Ice Cold if you read your original post and every reply afterwards, each post attempted to bash Microsoft and Windows 7 while hinting at how OSX is better. 1st post you compared Windows 7 and the lack of features and how OSX is better and that the next version will bring more features unlike Windows 7. Your second post stated how Microsoft has people who run OSX and how they are stealing features from OSX. Then it goes on. Bashing =/= healthy debate. I am more than happy to discuss various features of Windows 7 but attempting to compare it to another OSX and claiming Windows 7 is a failure because of this is not the way to go.

As for Vista Capable labels, didn't that mean that the machines could run Vista (at min spec levels). I mean if thats the case then theres nothing wrong with that. I mean min spec. levels does not mean it will be smooth. Just like when you buy a game and your computer only meets min. specs you don't expect it to run smooth. It'll run, but not smooth. Same case with Vista. And as I said before that you must consider OEM bloatware. I mean just because a computer lags doesn't mean its directly (100%) related to the OS, you will have to consider other possible sources of lag besides the OS like OEM bloatware or bottleneck issues.

 

Where has the OP gone? I still want my questions answered.