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    Can Throttlestop to be used stop BSOD?

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by chdsl, Dec 30, 2021.

  1. NeXt3R

    NeXt3R Notebook Evangelist

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    https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...-n5000-processor-4m-cache-up-to-2-70-ghz.html
    up-to-2-70ghz / 1.1GHz is base clock

    .,.,and bios defaults "no TS" not works for you ??

    and testing battery or on AC adapter ?
    battery wear level ? - HWINFO "load app and top bar - SENSOR"
    https://www.hwinfo.com/

    and device manager ? using all last possitible drivers ?? "not windows basic drivers"
    ,.,.send screen from this - DUMO "i will send link for drivers"

    and WINVER "write on windows start" - send full windows build name "for available microcode update / or recommendation for uninstall this bad MC"

    or LOG from HWINFO for more info
    https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?...bios-problems.369581/#lg=post-2093430&slide=0

    // or setup above when works ,.,but something must be bad "when not works stock setup"
    try MEMTEST before system ?
     
  2. chdsl

    chdsl Notebook Enthusiast

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    Even at 18x, if I keep the laptop on for a long time -- I left it on a certain page for more than 2 hours -- (the neighbour came in), it just got a BOSD after enabling the laptop again (no restart, just opening the last page). After the restart, it went on working quite well for more than an hour (still working). I think, I should put it off and do the thermal paste and report back. It'd take few days to get the thermal paste. Using TS multiplier is making the CPU to run at certain Mhz all the time. Maybe (I hope) it'd change its behaviour after applying the thermal paste. The back cover, which is of some sort of a metal, never gets warm, even when the laptop is charging. I think the heat the CPU doesn't get dissipated through the back cover. After watching few You tube videos on fanless laptops, I think that there's no connection of the heatsink with the back cover. I'll open the laptop, when I get the thermal paste.
     
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    chdsl Notebook Enthusiast

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    The battery is very good.
    All drivers are up to date.
    Windows update is up to date. Microcode is up to date.
    BIOS cannot be changed, except reset, which I had done.
    Memtest had been done, everything is okay. SSD is alright (tested). I've done DISM too.
     
  4. NeXt3R

    NeXt3R Notebook Evangelist

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    send DUMO screen + LOG from HWINFO

    edit .,,.and WINDOWS full build number
     
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    NeXt3R Notebook Evangelist

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    for i-gpu

    for new win11 / last win10 "beta"
    https://downloadmirror.intel.com/685538/igfx_win_101.1121.exe
    "stable" for older win10 build
    https://downloadmirror.intel.com/691496/igfx_win_101.1191.exe

    clean tool ,..,for correct installation
    https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html

    others "uninstall all + reboot + clean i-gpu ,.,. chipset / igpu / mei
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/msi-laptops-drivers.800622/page-191

    edit
    // if you need debug mode "base clock lock - 1GHZ"
    97./. max / min state "remove TS + reload bios defaults"
    https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/use-maximum-cpu-power-windows-10
     
  6. chdsl

    chdsl Notebook Enthusiast

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    Sorry, I didn't understand what is Dumo. I am a bit of a noob in Windows. Here is the screeny with all drivers to be updated. dumo.png

    dumo2.png
    The manufacturer's drivers are old and they have not updated them. I'll try to update the Intel drivers from Intel tomorrow. (too late now.)
    And, the HWINFO sensors1.png

    sensors2.png
    sensors3.png

    Edition Windows 11 Home
    Version 21H2
    Installed on ‎31/‎12/‎2021
    OS build 22000.376
    Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.22000.376.0
     
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  7. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    Download Win 10 21H2 with the linked tool below and use Rufus to create an USB ISO. Install and let Windows update the drivers. Then run some tests with wished software. The laptop should work as expected if there isn't any real HW flaws. Another option is to clean install Win 10 then install only chipset / igpu / mei drivers. Then test it without innstalling the remaining drivers.

    Win 11 is still in Beta. Never jump on the latest and greatest before you are force to do so. New doesn't always mean better. Rather filled with bugs that will remain so at least 6 months after release.

    Windows and Office ISO Download Tool - RUFUS v3.17 - Windows and Office Genuine ISO Verifier
     
  8. NeXt3R

    NeXt3R Notebook Evangelist

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    dynamic tuning driver / system FW / i-gpu try update - windows updates "optional"
    or i send link

    edit
    //uncore ratio 4GHZ ?
    broken configuration in bios ,..,4GHz uncore for 4.3GHZ core speed :D
     
  9. chdsl

    chdsl Notebook Enthusiast

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    This problem was there with Windows 10
     
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    chdsl Notebook Enthusiast

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    Please send link. I've no idea where to get these drivers, or understand much about them.

    What is uncore ratio? Nothing in BIOS can be changed, except the boot order, disable/enable secure boot, etc. Cannot change anything in the CPU workings. They are not even shown. I have resetted BIOS to the factory defaults.
     
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    NeXt3R Notebook Evangelist

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    create restore point

    windows updates "optional drivers" for FW update

    .,,igpu
    is above

    dynamic -intel driver
    https://station-drivers.com/index.p...work-Version-8.7.10800.23155-WHQL/lang,en-gb/

    ,..,.,for full FW update - mobo page "find full package for bios flash"

    edit
    for better compatibility - WIN10
     
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    NeXt3R Notebook Evangelist

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    and broken config "ratios and clock"
    TS must full remove + reboot + RESET BIOS "load defaults or best CMOS RESET"

    40 ratio uncore / 18 for core -- your custom setup

    oem - 1.1GHZ BASE CLOCK "all cores"
    2.7GHZ "like turbo" - probarly UNCORE 2.5GHZ ? "25 ratio"


    try reload defaults ,., and DFTP "inter driver is critical" and FW when exist update
     
  13. chdsl

    chdsl Notebook Enthusiast

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    Downloaded the driver, clicked on dpinst_X64.exe, which checked and reported that nothing to update. nothing to update.png
     
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    and verification - DUMO "here exist identical driver like before ?" :D
    full installation - uninstall old /reboot ,.,install new ,.,,..,or INF installation
    or need different package o_O

    teamviewer ,.,.send PM


    edit ,,.,about FW update
    best find full package !! on mobo page "manufacture web support"
    and any updates - on AC adapter ! "+ full backup for sure" ,.,.,. this step SKIP- last way

    only drivers first ! - SAFE

    EDIT
     
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    https://sdi-tool.org/releases/SDI_R2111.zip
    in app INDEX

    and best try only DPTF and i-gpu
    this is auto-update tool ""best installation is manual + cleanup"

    or check "windows update - OPTIONAL updates" - here skip only FW "for now"

    goo luck
     
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    chdsl Notebook Enthusiast

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    Removed TS, rebooted, and resetted BIOS. Within 2-3 minutes BSOD happened and laptop restarted. To write this, had to enable TS.
    This the BIOS, IMG20211231075355.jpg
    IMG20211231075444.jpg
    IMG20211231075419.jpg
     

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    SDI Tools state that the drivers are up to date. dynamic -intel driver update through dpinst_X64.exe says there's nothing to update. Maybe, I'd simply open it, when I get the thermal paste. I'd have to disconnect the battery, which would, I hope, reset the BIOS to factory settings. If nothing helps, I'll leave TS enabled, running at 1.1GHz. I just want to give it to a kid to learn how to use, so at least if it works for year or so, would be nice. :)
     
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    Thank you very much for your help!
     
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    Yes, I know, I've not won yet. But still, thank you for your help!
    In the meantime, Intel had installed - Display - 30.0.100.9837 and Extension - 27.20.100.9466
    The laptop is working without TS for a while, that is for the last 5 minutes. :)
    PS: It worked well for 2 hours and 10 minutes, but after a slight idling (about 10 mins) it got a BSOD and a restart. And, BSOD happened 2 more times within 2-3 minutes. Enabled TS.
     
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    After the last BSOD, I cleanly uninstalled the igfx drivers, and reinstalled the 1191 latest, as suggested. I'm using the debug-mode power plan. It is 19:00 now, and would test it for another restart, without TS enabled.
    PS: worked till 24:00 without a problem. Shutting it down. :)
     
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    In the meantime, Intel had installed - Display - 30.0.100.9837 and Extension - 27.20.100.9466
    devices and printers / device/- properties ""device drivers management"" "DISABLE recommendation for install WINDOWS drivers"
    ,,.,or in system setup
    this skip all drivers from WIN-STORE

    ,...,try last gpu drivers on all power profiles
    and still works only DEBUG profile ???
    ///

    and problem here "if still exist or only DEBUG profile works" is power saving function or down clock "range 500mhz-800mhz step"

    try this "debug profile" profile extended for better power
    based from HIGH PERFORMANCE SCHEME
    CPU MIN "AC/DC" - 97./.
    CPU MAX "AC/DC" - 100./.

    -- 1GHZ idle /// 2.6GHZ load

    "in scheme - advanced ,..,CPU MANAGEMENT"

    the best approach would be bios setup "c--states / dftp setup / min cpu ratio"
    ,,.but this setting will not be easily available here :/

    //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
    EDIT
    repaired - all is only DPFT driver "must be blocked/uninstalled or in bios disabled"
    ,.WUDF process / system timer bug

    how to determine problem
    CMD
    POWERCFG /ENERGY
    //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
     
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    etern4l Notebook Virtuoso

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    An old version of Thtottlestop is very rarely causing BSODs on my laptop (in rwdrv.dll). Contacted Unclewebb who advised upgrading to the latest version. The only way I'm aware of to conclusively diagnose a BSOD source if it's not directly reported by Windows (it almost never is?), is to analyse the memory dump using WinDbg which provides the answer directly.
     
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    chdsl Notebook Enthusiast

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    This problem was solved by @NeXt3R, an excellent person!
     
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