Discourage Vista whiners

Hi guys,

I ve been seeing this section is filled with Vista whiner threads... new witty comments, great logic etc (of course they are all true).. complaining how bad is vista...
Vista was released unfinished but if u dont like it switch to Mac, Linux, XP etc... u always have a choice

Problem is that this whiner trend dissolves the actual purpose of this section.. i.e to solve OS related problems..

Half of the time these thread starters (i have learned the lesson so dont blame me) complain rather than solve Vista problems..

So here is a request to all to Discourage such threads as they bury down the thread OP's who really needed our help.

Au Revoir,

Tushar (i am not french)

 

Well, the purpose of the forum is "Software and OS discussion for Windows XP and Vista".

I'd say discussing the shortcomings of Vista is legitimate under that forum description.
There's also the other factor, that to someone considering Vista, it's nice to be able to see other people's experiences (good as well as bad)
I'm not sure I see why Vista should get special treatment. If you run into problems with an OS, no matter its name, why shouldn't you make a post about it? Either you let others know about a shortcoming in a product they might otherwise spend several hundred dollars on, or you might find out that there's actually a solution to your problem and the OS isn't all that bad.

 

type 'vista' ...just 'vista' in google & the page will be filled with results such as

" BadVista.org: Stopping Microsoft Windows Vista adoption by ..." OR " Vista install in 2 minutes"


This shows that the irrational + rational hatred towards Vista is so great that we can make our Forum stand apart by talking Specific issues instead of the regular Whining...

(your signature shows u are also having problems with Vista..so does mine)

 

I totally agree with the OP and was involved in a debate with another member about this a while ago.

The point is, these negative threads are rarely useful; I have yet to see a poster talking of his attempts to solve the problem or talking about the problem at all. Most people just sit around and complain; it isn't constructive criticism. They just whine all the time. Yes, they're entitledd, but they are useless.

 

LOL I like the sudo make me a sandwich. Rep+

 

I agree that the negative threads are rarely useful. I think 99% of the problems people have with vista really is about the user's inability to adapt to a new OS. I've used em all, and really think that vista is the most intuitive, shortest learning curve, and most secure OS to date. Hardware incompatabilities are negligable as hardware should be upgraded anyways... it's the name of the game and the price to pay for having the latest!

 

So was I.

How could one possibly solve a problem in a closed source proprietary system?
By Voodoo?

Ok, once more, instead of whining about all these pesky whiners: show me how I could have solved these problems:

1) File transfer between different partitions of the same (and only) hard disk was about 1.2 - max 2 MB/s. System was updated, drivers were those by Dell , the same that give other people decent file transfer speed.

2) File transfer toward and from USB pen got better after updating, but still slower that in my Win98 box. Show me how constructive you can be.

3) How can I tell UAC not to ask me the admin password when I create a folder in a system location and then again 1 second later when I type in the name of the folder?
I did not want to turn off uac entirely. Just wanted not to waste my time for something is expected to be done: create a folder with a name different from "new folder".

4) How can I enable shadow copy only for certain folders and not for the whole disk, so not to thrash my disk space to backup files I wouldn't give a damn about?

5a) A funny thing that was probably due to my ignorance: after updating the content of a folder (for example by doing a "Save as..." in that very folder, the content did not show up immediately: I had to hit the Refresh button.
Not my idea of 'responsive system'. Was that a bug or a feature?

5b) Oh another thing that may be due to the laptop environment: selecting a text in an editor (with or without clicking on it so to make the selection "definitive") and then typing would not cause instant substitution of the text: I had to click in the editor's windows to make the new text appear.
Funny feature, eh?
This happens with every editor. Could be a problem with the Synapse touch pad setting though, but I do not remember anything in the setting window about this.

6) How do I make defrag show me the last time I did a defrag and, during a defrag, what the heck it is doing and at which point of the disk it has gone?
Be constructive, this should be easy to solve.
Don't tell me to get a third party defragger: we're talking - no we're whining, unless you can solve them - about vista problems here.

7) How can I tell MS not to put the darn IE7 icon back on my traybar every time I did an update? Who told them to put it there? If there wasn't one there must be a reason. Oh, before you ask: I made firefox my default browser and explicitly asked IE not to check to be the default browser.

8) Oh, yes the icing on the cake, talking about the fantastic GUI: not only there was no built-in method to assign a darn icon to a file extension of my choice ("Change Icon" button, anyone?) but I could not keep transparency and disable the window animation effect that made me seasick. Either I had to disable Aero as a whole, or the bloody effect came up again at the next reboot.

Come on, show me how constructive you can be, without having access to the code and without being able to patch the darn software.
I will reinstall Vista if you can solve this first eight nuisances.

Before you ask me to do what every winduh user does every time he has no clue about what's happening: I did do a fresh install. Those problems (you might call them "nifty features", otherwise you're a whiner) were still there.

And, for the love of God, quit whining about whiners.

 

I was going to write a post about how people should think about Vista from Microsoft's point of view or about how SP1 would really help them or about how bad XP was, but then Firefox just wouldn't translate me pressing the keys on the keyboard to text in this Quick Reply window. So, if there's a so called "professional" software that's mainstream and pretends to be the best, while at the same time being a piece of ****, programmed by total losers, idiots and amateurs Firefox is it! This isn't the first time and it will not be the last (same as when from time to time opening a new tab with CTRL+T doesn't work, same as closing). MOZILLA YOU SUCK!
Now, since I had something to say about Vista (and still have): SP1 is a lot of people's salvation. Many of the problems enumerated here (and in other threads), such as slow file transfer, USB problems are fixed in SP1. Increased security? How the hell really cares? Less than 1%, mostly geeks. All what people want to see is increased performance. A hacker will not tell you that Vista is secure when he's stopped at the door.
I don't get it why people blame Microsoft every time something's not working with Vista. Bad video performance? Microsoft, not nVidia or AMD. Crashes? Of course, Vista.
Jalf, finding the culpit isn't fanboish, it's just logical. Only idiots think that Microsoft is to blame for every problem they encounter, just because it's a new OS.
For God's sake, MacOS X 10.5 used to lose files when transferring from one partition to another. Don't tell me that Apple boys are making threads about that.
Anyway, making stupid threads about how bad Vista is isn't helping anyone. Same goes for keeping x86 for thousands of years, just because people know x64 is bad.

 

You might as well say there shouldn't be any threads except seeking solutions to problems. At any rate, I haven't seen threads seeking solutions to problems being ignored - they almost always get replies.

And how are these positive threads any more useful? It's not about the user not being able to adopt to the new OS in the vast majority of cases, it's about their software not being able to adopt. Vista isn't that bad from an ease-to-use standpoint, but all the ease-to-use in the world doesn't help if your software can't be used on it.

Have to call you out for saying you've "used em all". Does that include zOS, CP/M, Ubuntu 4.10, and Windows 3.2? Vista may be the most secure OS since the Internet age (I'm sure it can be argued), and relatively intuitive, but is it really the shortest learning curve? Windows 98 seemed to have a pretty short learning curve from Windows 95, which in itself wasn't bad, and I'm sure new versions of DOS didn't have too bad of a learning curve. My point: you're making very liberal use of the hyperbole in your exaltation of Vista.

 

He can say it just because he can. If he hadn't used that IBM Windows variant it doesn't make him less knowledgeable about something.
Vista is an evolved operating system without major innovations (or no innovations, but still).

 

Not by voodoo, no. I hope that wasn't your best guess. People on this board complain about UAC, and yet they don't try to disable it. Users can troubleshoot the software as well as the hardware. While its too bad that more advanced users can't edit the code to their liking, thats the nature of any propietary operating system; what the hell do you expect? If the inability to fix things yourself in the OS just aren't up to your standards, you can always NOT buy the OS. Go use Linux, or OSX

Firstly, I'm not a programmer; but I have learned how to solve or circumvent many problems that I've encountered. Rather than bombarding me with your "oh-so-terrible" computing issues, do one the following:

1) tolerate Vista's shortcomings and give feedback to MS
2) do not tolerate Vista's shortcomings; instead, use another OS
3) do not buy Vista in the first place

Actually, thats what every "winduh" user does; they just format the drive without trying to fix the problem. Great approach, Sherlock. Learn some troubleshooting skills or don't bother with computers as you will eventually become frustrated with them when they don't react the way you expect them to. S*** inevitabley happens with computers. Learn to deal with it. Its what alot of people on this forum never do.

Heh, funny you should say that after pitching that load of crap at me.

 

Dunno, always 12MB/S here. 2.5 on WLAN with the other vista computers in my house

SAme as precedant question

Dunno, I got right click->properties->something->change icon and it works beatifully.

 

Create and name the folder on your desktop and then drag it to the protected location. I know, it's lame that you should have to, but it is an effective workaround.

I don't know! I'd like to do this too....

I'm not sure how Explorer would know about the new file if you don't refresh... unless it were to poll constantly.

I'm unable to reproduce this behavior on my Vista machine using notepad. I'm using a mouse though. The editor window is the active window, right?

The regular defrag GUI in the control panel will tell you the last time defrag was run. But if you want the other info, you'll have to use the command line defrag. Open a command prompt as administrator and type "defrag /help" to see the options. (I too miss XP's defrag GUI... but the fact the Vista makes it easy to schedule automatic defrags is cool though...)

 

Anyway, as for the orginal topic, there's useful criticism and there's whining. Criticism is welcome, but some of the whining/bashing just isn't helpful. I ask about how to sdjust Vista's search indexing and some people respond just to tell me it sucks, turn it off. Someone asks a question about UAC and like six people just say it sucks, turn it off without answering the question at all.

So sometimes the whining can interfere with useful discussion. But if you have specific issues, as Sredni Vashtar does, and you can explain how the observed behavior differs from the expected behavior, then I'm interested in hearing about those issues, and maybe some people can even offer some good solutions or workarounds. But there's no point in posting all the time to just say this sucks, why would anyone run this crap... because if you don't make any specific complaint that can be tested/verified, then it's not really very useful.

 

Many stupid people (aka idiots) don't know that UAC can be adjusted from Local Security Policy (Local Policies -> Security Options) and just start killing the whole discussion. UAC in SP1 and Server 2008 is much improved, in Server 2008 is actually very good, considering the operating system trust you (since you're an administrator...or not) and it will not ask you every time if you want to click or not to click.

 

Unfortunately I think you need to run Business or Ultimate edition to get the Local Security Policy thingy. Which makes it useful for me, but not so useful for most people here, I think. Home Basic/Premium users are stuck with just a coarse on/off adjustment, unless they want to hack the registry.

 

Not sure about that, but Administrative Tools is the place to look for Local Security Policy.
Try SP1 if you're too anal about UAC and stupid enough to keep it (even if you know that you want to click) and want less prompts. Try Server 2008 and you'll love it (or find it totally useless like me and disable it).

 

Of course, why didn't I think of it? I should have disabled it.
That's constructive.

Actually I am not the one who said that the users should solve the OS vendor's problems. Am I?
What the hell did you expect, instead? That everyone posting a shortcoming in a closed source proprietary OS could come up with a solution?
They can only point out the problems.

Oh, "circumvent". A workaround.
Well, so let's pay for UAC, Shadowcopy, windows backup, a fancy gui and then let's disable most of the stuff and use third party software to do what a decent operating system should do.

But, most importantly, do not tell anybody you don't like a particular "feature" of Vista. That would be whining.

You surmised it was possible to overcome the problems with Vista.
I gave you a list of examples so that you could show us how to do it.

Ok, so your "constructive" method is: pipe it down and whine with MS, change the OS, do not even buy the OS.

Very mature.
And constructive. Really.

Besides: I am no longer using the OS. Why did I use it in the first place? Because it was not possible to buy the hardware I wanted without Vista.
Some call this "freedom of market". I call it "forcing an OS on new computers via not so crystal-clear agreements with hardware manufacturers".

See, a clean install is what almost every poster in NotebookReview does or is at least advices to do.
All Sherlock, uh?
And now, my dear Lestrade: can you explain why I was still getting low transfer speeds even after a clean install? And why I could not turn off the window animation without disabling Aero altogether? And why... etc.

But I am all ears.

Solve the 8 problems I showed you and I will reinstall Vista and give credit to your "troubleshooting skills".

Go lookup this word.

 

I've always had bad luck with file transfer under Windows... :-(
Maybe it's the multiple partition environment I use, who knows.
And yet XP is now lightning fast (so to speak).

In Vista?
I had no "Change Icon" button.
Try this for me, will you?
Creat a new text file, "Newtextfile.txt"
Rename it "Newtextfile.tip" (or any other extension you have no programs assocuatied with. Then associated a program to the file, like notepad.
And then try to associate to it another icon.

Do you see the "Change Icon" button, somewhere?

Alternatively, if you do not want to create a new file type, try to change the icon of say, an open office document (or whatever).

I know I am not alone: the common workaround consist in resorting to a third party application (IconPackager).

 

You seem to be one in the knows.
I no longer have the system, but please tell me: by tuning the policies is it possible to have UAC come up once when one wants to create a file, and still once when one wants to rename an existing file but not the file he just entered the password to create?

I'll give you an example:
Click "New folder", UAC pops up, I enter the password, the new folder gets created and has the name field active, I enter the name press return and that's it.
One folder created and one password entered.

Now, l'et's rightclick on an existing file: I want to rename it because I'm an evil hacker but the UAC pops up before I can do that.

What settings should be changed?

 

PORN

Ok, now that I have your attention. Before we get too far into this debate again (too late)...

Do you guys not realize that the OP is one of the biggest Vista whiners here?

Seriously, did you guys just all get flamebaited into another Vista v. XP thread?! Shame on you.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=195135
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=182756
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=206221
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=193692

Sorry, I had to do that to get anyone's attention in a thread like this.

 

Yep, that's the point: it's a workaround.
Vista is not the product of a teenager working in a garage. I would expect a tool that does not make you think "why am I wasting my time with this?". The file or folder creation is just an example of how ill-implemented uac is.

 

^Dude, use the edit button. No need for 3 consecutive posts.

 

Do you see three identical posts?
I am having problems with the connection tonight.

Or did you expect me to write a giant post collecting all the answer?
That's not my idea of a clean thread.

 

xp sucks vista rocks!

 

Hey, i made that up. That's my line.

You had my attention at porn. But anyway, i agree. This is a trap.

 

Yes, it is, isn't it? You'd be surprised by how many idiots can't figure that out.

I did surmise just that, but I was referring to problems that novice users cannot fix and then go whining about. Obviously, if the OS is closed source, why would I make the claim while alluding to users with programming skills?

Actually you did, here:

"How could one possibly solve a problem in a closed source proprietary system?
By Voodoo?"

If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times. If I have to tell you this again, then I simply won't bother to explain; consumers have a choice. If you think that Vista isn't for you, then don't use it.

My suggestions are a far more adult way of going about and dealing with a product that displeases you. Complain to someone who cares and can actually do something about it: Microsoft. Of course you can always spend your time whining and moaning on an online forum, but the fact is that nobody cares, and the people who can fix the problems won't hear you. So be quiet already.

To claim that you were forced to buy Vista is ridiculous, simply a load of bull. You're an adult, right? Or so you portray yourself. As an adult, you should be a smart consumer. You should KNOW what you're buying, and you are NEVER forced to buy ANYTHING. Get that through your skull.

That doesn't mean that its the best solution, does it Watson? If everyone commits mass-suicide, do you follow suit (I hope so)?

I don't really care what you think of my troubleshooting skills. If you ask other members of this forum, I'm sure that they can vouch for occasions where I've helped them. Why do you think I hang around here at NBR?

Not quite; its from XKCD, the web comic. I like your signature though... Photoshop/GIMP?

 

The same is true about any software... There are very view users who are capable of fixing programming problems in their OS (not every Linux user mods the Kernel every time some bit of hardware doesn't work). There is an even smaller number of users who can fix problems in the OS and have those fixes included in the OS (it isn't easy to write a patch for the Linux kernel or the like and get it included in the kernel).

You usually get a healthy middle ground where some programmer writes a program that is designed to fix an OS's shortcomings. There are tons of programs that fit this bill on "closed source" and "open source" platforms for the reasons mentioned above. This option is there for you in the Windows world just as much as it is in he Open Source world.

Are you unhappy about the fact you can't find how to change and Icon and don't like the price of IconPackager? Well go write your own IconPackager and make it free to the world. No one is stopping you from doing that and you can go as far as making it as deeply integrated into Windows as a native MS solution.

Or are you not capable of doing so? As if you aren't your complaint is a moot point...

That's not how the world works my good friend... You choose to spend your money on a product because you feel it offers some useful qualities to you. Not EVERY quality will be useful to you. If they were we wouldn't see such a large Mod community.

You mod the product to make other features more suitable for you, but you buy it knowing those shortcomings are there (after all nothing is perfect).

If you want to make constructive criticism give it to Microsoft. They have had their contact form open since at least Windows 98 (when I first started using Windows).

https://support.microsoft.com/conta...l=http://www.microsoft.com/en/us/default.aspx

Just like anywhere else in the world... you complain first to those who can take action and then to those who can offer you support to force those people to act.

No one here cares... I don't own or work for Microsoft or Apple or any other OS vendor. I don't care if you use Windows 3.11 or Mac OS 7.5.3 or Red Hat Linux 1.0 from today until you die...

Don't like Vista use Windows 95 who gives a ****?

No one here has to "fix" your problems or "make it work for you".

It works for me and that's all I care about...

Pay me some money and venture by with your machine and you'll leave with those problems fixed. Other than that I can care less about fixing your crap. Get off your duff and do some research...

Get serious... That's like me saying I want to buy an iPod without Apple's proprietary OS on it. If i want specifically an iPod then I have to buy it with whatever Apple put in the box...

You can buy every PC component on the planet and make your own box exactly how you want it. You can get a barebones laptop kit and put together your own laptop or do the same with a Desktop. So you CHOSE to buy a machine KNOWING that Windows Vista was included. It IS possible to buy hardware WITHOUT the, or any, Operating System.

Even the large OEMs (Dell, HP, Lenovo) are shipping computers with some distro of Linux on them out of the factory.

Pay the guy some money...

You're not some god and he, nor anyone, doesn't have to do things to appease your or impress you. If it doesn't work for you sorry peanuts for you buddy... Invest in building your own troubleshooting skills...


As so the original topic...

Hopefully we get more constructive threads. I don't mind threads arguing Vista shortcomings or asking for help, but they have to be constructive. Threads out just to bash Vista, or any product, are useless IMHO. But constructive criticism is good as people browse around forums like this to aid in their purchasing decisions.

 

Photoshop. By Matt.

 

Technically, it's not a UAC problem at all... it's just that Explorer wasn't redesigned to be efficient in an environment where both UAC is enabled and you don't have appropriate permissions in the directory.

You know what... I just tried saving a text file in notepad (in Vista), and it did immediately appear in the Explorer window viewing that directory.

Wow... what a reason to reinstall. Anyway when I highlight text and start typing anything, it replaces the highlighted text.

Well IMO it is better overall, even if it is worse in a few particular ways. My complaints about XP are much more major than my quibbles with Vista. Of course, part of that is because I ran XP as a standard user (which is a big pain in XP), instead of in its default any-software-has-full-permission-to-do-absolutely-anything mode.
My main gripes with XP were:
- No quick privilege elevation feature to go from standard to admin user (such as UAC) for a quick task... you have to switch users and log in as the other user type.
- No file or registry virtualization, so programs are less likely (than with Vista) to work right as a standard user
- When I have an ethernet cable connected to a fast wired internet connection, XP usually (in my experience) still tries to use the slow wireless connection and I have to disable the wireless adapter.
- Need to download and install a lot of programs (desktop search util, widgets, IE7, antispyware program...) to get to where Vista is out of the box. And then keep them all updated.
- XP's default sounds are mostly really annoying (whereas Vista's are fine as far as I'm concerned).

But... whatever, if you like XP better then use that. It is simpler in some ways, and it's usually a little easier for me to find things in XP, partly because there aren't as many features. I have my list of Vista annoyances too... they just tend to be sort of nitpicky.

 

Lithus

You never even read my first post did u ?

AND Show me a Vista complain thread which i posted after i installed SP1


With Mistakes we learn.... so should u

 

I still think Vista sucks but do i whine anymore? No... i try n solve problems ON & OFF the forum

 

We should have a Vista rants subforum....

Anyway I'm glad you've seen the light, nocturnal... using the OS you prefer and not spamming forums with rants about how much another OS sucks... I have to say I do wish everyone would follow your example.

 

What is Vista?

 

No, it's not constructive. It's childish. UAC is probably the most useful feature Winduh users needed. Microsoft was able to screw that up by making it almost unusable and forcing the - what could be a trendy term? Oh, yes, "idiots" - to turn it off. The same winduh users who infects the whole world with their boxes and do no even have a clue about it.

In a closed source proprietary systems the problems in the OS cannot be fixed by users, with or without programming skills.
So the fact of calling whiners those you point out those problems is simply childish.

Is this more clear, now?

What is clear to me now, is that the average age in this forum is about 15.
At that age is normal to adverse criticism to the child's favourite toy.

Go read again the thread.

See? You really don't get it.
You call pointing at problems "whining and moaning".
That's childish.
How old are you?

As for contacting MS. What makes you think I didn't contact them to tell them what they could do with their 'features'?
Regarding the "nobody cares" parts, oh my. It seems that pointing a finger to every Vista problems causes the the real moaning and whining on the part of the kids who think they got the ultimate piece of software that rocks the world.

Re-read again what I wrote: "Because it was not possible to buy the hardware I wanted without Vista."
Might as well have some adult read it for you. The Vostro 1500 was and is only available only with Vista (in my country). This is what I call forcing an OS on the customer.
I was out to buy a laptop, not a friggin' OS. And with the laptop I chose came this OS. But it did not come free, I had to pay for it.
When you grow up you will also learn about marketing techniques and you will be surprised at how much a vendor can force a customer to use - and pay for - hardware or software he wouldn't buy per se.

Oh, without pointing a gun at his head, that goes without saying.

Read my lips: I did a fresh reinstall because I wanted a clean system. I always do a fresh install of all my software. The problems that were there with DELL's original settings were still there even after a fresh install.
So it was not something that got spoiled during the use of the system.
Had I know I should have explained every line to the "Oh please don't say bad words at Vista" whiners, I wouldn't have written that post.

I'll try to be more clear then.
You called people pointing out problems whiners, and ask them to post solutions. I told you you cannot solve problems in a closed source proprietary OS and dared you to do so, if you thought otherwise.
Now, either you were wrong expecting people to solve problems in a closed source product, or you are full of hot air.

 

Sredni... Until this response, I enjoyed your posts and checked them out with interest. You have lost all credibility here with this:

"No, it's not constructive. It's childish. UAC is probably the most useful feature Winduh users needed. Microsoft was able to screw that up by making it almost unusable and forcing the - what could be a trendy term? Oh, yes, "idiots" - to turn it off. The same winduh users who infects the whole world with their boxes and do no even have a clue about it."


UAC is simply a fix for those lacking computer knowledge. God help the person who wants to check out his own system files...or the person who owns a computer and wants to make changes before Vista telling he cannot until bumping himself into administrator priviledges (which he is probably already in as he is the only user of the system)

Hint..hint...delete that thread and regain your dignity. I will then delete this as well.

 

That's patently false.
In fact...

...in fact, in open source OSes it is possible to fix problems in the OS. One needs the skills, granted. But it is possible.
With a proprietary closed source software like Vista that is not only impossible but even illegal.

It shouldn't be that hard to grasp.

So, calling whiners the people who point out the problems in vista because they did not even try to solve said problems is just illogical.
(I understand that the trendy terms here is "idiotic")

Anybody here took a course on basic logic?

And then I dare you to solve the slow transfer speed problem without patching the OS.

( Note for idiots: I am not trying to have my system fixed for free. I am just rtrying to make the point that it is not possible to fix problems within the OS if the OS is proprietary and closed source)

I am unhappy for having paid money for an OS that would require me to write code because it's worse than my previous Windows 98.
What's the point of having an OS if I have to write code to make it transfer files from one folder to another without taking ages? What's the point of having a GUI if I cannot even change its colors or the icons I use without losing my time hacking the registry?

Do you really think that the ability to change an icon should not be part of an evolved GUI? Or is there something missing?
I am not asking about transferring files at decent speed, that would be too much and besides it clear that the fan boys in this forum are not able to understand that a software can have bugs even if their systems does not show their effect.

Ok, so now everyone pointing out a problem in Vista should write a third party application to mod the system in order not to be called a whiner.
Ridicolous.
We'll end up with thousands of services running at startup.

Oh, believe me, I already gave MS what they deserve.
Besides, explain me why I should not also write about the problems I've had with Vista in this forum.

Oh, another one that can read other people's mind.
Must be catchy.

Search me. I am not the one who opens thread about how useless Vista criticism can be. Besides, your comments here as as immature as the suggestions before.
If you don't know what to answer, just don't answer.

If you cared to read-- no, that's not the right term - if you cared to understand what I wrote, it would be clear that I do not give a damn about solving those Vista problems since I no longer have the OS on my system. I was just trying to see how much hot air was there in those "do not criticize, solve!" statements.

That pretty much qualifies you.

LOL.
I wanna see you fixing the kernel without infringing MS license and terms of use.
Oh boy. That's more hot air I can cope with.

Oh, that's the last straw. If you do not have the knowledge to tell the difference between two products from the same manufacturer, and two products from different manufacturers with separate licences, there's no point in discussing this with you. You will never get it. It's far beyond your reach.

Yes. I might as well put up a fab to produce my own microprocessors.
Maybe one day you will learn that monopoly does not mean "exact 100%". Don't give up. Go on studying.

That's so that "idiots" could say there is freedom of choice even when 95% to 99% of the laptops come out with Vista.

I was calling his bluff.

A criticism can be as constructive as solving a problem.
If one know that a particular system cannot do a certain thing, or does a certain thing in a way that he may not like, he has gained valuable information.

 

I beg to differ. User privilege control is the way to go with computer systems where more than one user can gain access to the resources.
You might think you are the only one, but as you connect to the internet you no longer are.

I concede I have been a little harsh in expressing the concept.

That's my point: MS has been able to screw up a very useful feature.

I stand my ground. :-]

 

User control is only for governments trying to spy on people. UAC is for n00bs . Stop complaining about it. It stops idiots from deleting files from the Windows folder and things like that. But it also helps improve security (considering a lot of leaktests are blocked by UAC).

 

UAC is not for people lacking computer knowledge; it's for people who want control over which processes run with admin priviliges on their system... which processes can modify the kernel, registry, and system files, install themselves at startup... things like that. It's also about limiting the damage malware can cause and preserving system integrity by restricting any damage to user files and preventing it from infecting the OS itself.

 

Not to incite more arguing, but UAC does more than just ask you for permission. See this and this.

 

I don't know. I think these security matters should be coded in the kernel in order to avoid hijacking - from a third party file manager accessing the OS services. But whatever, that is just one example of how the Microsoft approach to UAC is cumbersome. I've read it has greatly improved in SP1, only time will tell.

I keep hoping that Vista will end up as XP: become a fairly good OS when patched with a decent service pack. But rumors about Win7 make me think it's gonna end up like WinME. :-(

That's the way it should be. There sure was something broken in my system. Probably a bug triggered by my multiple partition setup. After all most Vista users are keen to use their systems on a single partition: OS, programs, data, documents... No wonder systems have less bugs in such an environment: they got ironed out during the free-beta stage. Or maybe there are problems with the localization...

I wish it were the same on my system, too.
But I'm too curious about this. After all I have an image of XP and of the MBR... I wanna know if that's Vista's fault of if it's some setting in the touchpad driver...

If it weren't for the ridiculous file transfer speed I could have given Vista a second chance. Now I only have to hope that SP1 will fix those things but I don't think I will go back to it until SP2 is out , if not to understanding the queer editor behavior.
I agree with you UAC is a good thing, overall. Albeit spoiled by the Microsoft way.

 

You have no idea what you're talking about. UAC is widely pointed out as one of the worst Vista features ever; not only by many users (beginners and advanced alike), but also by professionals. It is also extremely flawed as a security measure since the weakest link turns out to be the user. The success of UAC, a security measure, depends on the user. Why the hell should a security measure depend so much on the user as UAC?

After a while people just start clicking "yes" without actually reading the dialogue. Thus the purpose of UAC is broken, and if anything is more dangerous than not having it since it gives users the illusion of security.

Not all problems are hard-coded into the OS. Hard coded problems are either design flaws or bugs, while the issues that most other people encounter are actually the fault of the user. It is possible that your problems are the result of some mistake on your part; the same goes for me. Whatever you do though, don't try to portray problems as though they can only come from one source.

Your sentence is by no means coherent. No, its not clear.

Do you have some stats to back that up? I can equally claim that this forum consists largely of 40-year-olds, can't I? If the average age is 15, then whats your point? Fifteen-year-olds may look like children, but some act more like adults than actual adults.

Where did I make such a comment. I was specifically referring to people who either don't try to troubleshoot a problem, and then complain to others of their problems; take the OP as a prime example. You are also an example, considering that you just nuke your HD everytime you come across an issue. Theres a big difference between someone who talks about problems and another person who tries to solve them.

The fact that you're here and still arguing with me.

But you bought it anyway with your own free will. Therefore, you weren't forced.

DON'T BUY IT THEN.

DON'T BUY IT THEN.

You've just lost the last scrap of respect I had for you. I've just lost my patience, and you're a certified idiot.

Recovery DVDs restore laptop software back to its ORIGINAL state. Thats what its supposed to do, and thats what it did.

You're not looking at the real issue. Most users experience problems that are fixable. Believe me, computer geeks such as ourselves have the fewest problems when it comes to computers.

 

Another thread about the microsoft's vista.
Exactly point with what bc135 said with vista. all software released at the first time isn't perfect but as patches come through, it becomes more stable. for example, games - glitches or crash when the game is released but patches usually solve them. Most of the vista problem is because of the person's own fault. Don't blame vista ever.... just say you have a problem

 

Was there ever a perfect Microsoft Windows.??
NO, everytime there were complains about it,,it not in the nature of windows to be perfect, but with all the flaws, Vista is still good. The best part of it is the system restore which i use couple of times in a month,,,,

 

UAC may well be in the kernel... I really don't know. But Explorer certainly isn't. I've never heard of any OS having a graphical file browser built in to the kernel.

You can use a different file browser/manager than Explorer. It'll still be subject to the same UAC restrictions. But if it's designed to ask for a folder name before creating the folder (instead of creating the folder first and then renaming it), then you'll have one UAC prompt instead of two for that operation. You don't have to change UAC at all... you just have to change the file manager GUI program. That's why I said that it's not really a UAC issue, it's an issue of Explorer not being optimized for user efficiency in situations where both UAC is on and you don't have permissions in the directory.

But if you're creating new folders in areas where you don't have write permissions often enough for this to become a real nuissance rather than an arguing point, I'd have to ask why you are doing this. For this reason, I'm not all that surprised Microsoft hasn't bothered to optimize this particular use case.

 

The concept of user access control is good. The way Microsoft implemented it, forcing (no, not by pointing a gun at their head) Winduh users to turn it off has screwed it up. Read my other post on the argument in this same thread.

Besides, it seems you are one of those smart guys who run the OS under admin privileges.

We were talking about Vista's problems weren't we?
So, please do not try to change the terms of the discussion if you have nothing to say.

Ok, bad grammar and lousy typing. I'll rephrase it:

"Calling whiners the people who point out problems in a closed source OS is simply childish. Is this more clear, now?"

I wonder what excuse you are gonna find for not answering, now.
Maybe you'll try to put it out of context.

Really.
Now, tell me, what should I have done to solve the low transfer speed problems from one partition to another?
Drivers were updated. Windows was updated.
The problems showed up even after a fresh install.

Tell me, o Wise One. I am all ears.

This means you can't read lips.
I'll try again: I always do a fresh install of all my software. After this fresh install, which I would have done even if there were no problems at all because I wanted to get rid of the bloatware DELL puts on (the Roxio crap to name one, some Dell utilities I don't care about, Google taskbar...) and I wanted a system built into my newly shrinked partition, well after this fresh install the problems were still there, unscathed.

I understand that you're trying to build a straw man with the purpose of not looking so stupid for the lack of answers, but - man - do not exaggerate. :-]
The highly recommended fresh install has become "nuking my disk every time I come across an issue". LOL. Ridiculous.

Oh boy. That's my point. Entirely.
People here talk about solving problems in a closed source system. Have they ever tried to?

No, they just added crap to their system to mod it, and they think they solved the issue. Not only that, they call whiners the people who do not content themselves with such a superficial behavior.

It's definitely beyond you, I reckon that.

Oh, really.
Ever heard about Dell's OS disks (I'm not mentioning V-Lite, that would be too much)?
I wonder why, then, I had to install all the drivers, and had no DELL or Roxio utility. It was not in the original state. Besides, IT SHOULD HAVE WORKED OUT OF THE BOX, IN THE ORIGINAL STATE. The fact the problems showed up in a fresh install means they could not be caused by something I had done to the system. Now, what's your point?

Yes, show me how I could have fixed the low transfer speed issue.
You talk too much about things you do not know.

 

THE WEAKEST LINK IS ALWAYS THE USER... i've never ecountered software that prevents it's user from being stupid...

 

This thread is going nowhere . . . yet another flame war.