Do You Hate Windows 8?

Instead of tryng to install Windows 7, why not do it the easy way?

1) On the Start Page, find the tile for Desktop and drag it to the top left corner. Now, when you press Enter, you will go straight to the desktop.
2) Download the free program Classic Shell, which will give you a Start Button.

There you go! It works just like Windows 7.

However, I LIKE Windows 8. In your spare time, poke around on the Start Page. Download some free aps from the Windows Store. Mess around with some of their sites. It takes some getting used to, but they have some good stuff on the Start Page.

 

This is a no brainer - one install and step just install W7 and get the desktop and not have to worry about downloading 3rd party apps for something that should be there to begin with that should you already have.

 

No, it doesn't.

Why don't you read some of the threads we had in this forum on that topic so you know what has been discussed already, ad nauseam, instead of boring everyone with clueless nonsense like the above.

 

Do You Hate Windows 8?

Yes.

I can't answer that question any other way but...YES.

 

It's not so bad, Radji. After years with XP and 7, I needed some time to figure it out, but Windows 8 does a lot of new things. Try my suggestions to make it easier to work with, and take your time playing around with the Start Page. You'll find a variety of good aps in the Windows Store, many of them free.

 

Welcome to NBR.

This exact discussion has been done to death in literally dozens of threads since the release of Windows 8. The points you've made have been done dozens of times already. Feel free to browse the forum a bit. It's not that people are not aware of your suggestions; it's that they've been made repeatedly and not everyone is happy with the end result.

I'm saying this as someone who really likes Windows 8 without any third-party modifications. The horse is dead already.

 

Hate is too strong a word. Hate would mean as a last OS on Earth I would rather not use a computer. Is it too that point, plain and simple no. Do I dislike Win8, surely and without a doubt yes!

Points have been made, success and/or failures well noted and tracked. Nothing so far can be done to make Win8 work any better for those in the camp staying far away from it. The glimmer, albeit a dim one, is for Windows Blue to come to the rescue. The problem, at least so far, is in Win 8.1 the Modern UI is just being enhanced to work better, as maybe it should have at release. This does nothing for the productivity people using non touch systems. Now it MAY entice some of the web and email only people as then it is just a few apps on the "all app page", so they may get a few of the "I can now deal with it people".

My issues fall deeper as in desktop gadgets, desktop Aero Glass (DWM), proper search amongst some other issues. That and I trust M$ no longer as they (Ballmer) will do what they want, all of us loyal consumers be damned................

 

No it's not. It's just spawning a "Blue update". Gimme a minute to get my .50cal rifle. If it's not dead after I get thru with it, then it'll at least be prostrate.

 

You seem to miss the point already why should I have to use their windows store when I already have my software I want to install myself and my own time. And also what the point of windows store if I have no wifi or internet that works to no one advantage except M$ profit making. Why do I need to waste time going through windows store when I can load my apps/productivity software and get right on moving and working that I already own and work with. That what you saying smack of inefficiencies and lack of thinking outside their in the box thinking. Maybe they should stop play the catch up to Apple model of which they are not of and begin to really innovate for their PC bases users that will be where the break through will come from.

 

Completely ignoring that this Windows 8 horse has been Swiss-cheesed with all the sticks poking at it on NBR and elsewhere, I don't see the point of this advertising thread (for Classic Shell).

But, if you insist, I don't like Windows 8. Right now I'm on Windows 7 (Pro, Ultimate), a few Linux distros, and even an OSX virtual machine (plus a Windows 8 VM, which I'll get to in a second). Windows 7 (and Linux) get the job done just fine for me, so I see no point in upgrading to Windows 8. Already evaluated what I do/don't want in a new OS, and Windows 8 doesn't meet any of those "do" requirements, while meeting a few of my "don't" requirements. Despite the fact that I have Windows 8 *for free* through my university, I still will not use it as my main OS. The only reason I have the VM of Windows 8 is to learn how to use it simply to fix other peoples' computers this up-coming academic year (I'm applying for a job in the university's IT department).

8.1 looks interesting, though. Might try it out and see if I like it enough to use it as a main OS on one of my computers. However, if I have to fiddle with the UI extensively (like in Classic Shell), why not just use Linux instead, imo?

 

The problem with Linux isn't the UI per se, it's binary compatibility. Or rather, lack thereof.

If Linux had 100% compatibility with Windows programs, I'd jump ship immediately. In fact, it'd be such a no-brainer that everyone should jump ship, if only to take advantage of the better security.

 

Running certain software can be an issue. Though in my case, I'm nearly 100% OS agnostic anyway (aside from Visual Basic .NET programming that I do every so often, and gaming). Hence why I said that.

 

I only use Windows for games, and it runs games just fine, so I'm perfectly fine with Windows 8.

 

I once heard a good analogy. Windows and OSX are like getting a die-cast toy car. Linux is like getting a complex LEGO set. Yes, it's more "versatile" and more "durable" (in the sense that it has hiccups more often but the hiccups are easy to isolate and easy to fix), but it's also got a brutal learning curve and it's not nearly as user-friendly straight out of the box. And not everyone wants their OS to be the equivalent of a complex LEGO set. Actually, I think the people who do are a vocal, but small, minority.

I suspect that even if there wasn't the software availability issue, most computer users would still go with Windows or OSX instead of Linux.

 

Linux can easily be made extremely user-friendly. This is a miniscule problem compared to binary compatibility.

The Wine community has spent decades working on binary compatibility with Windows, and they're nowhere close to done. On the other hand, it certainly didn't take Google decades to get Android as user-friendly as it is today.

 

You all have to remember that Linux is just the base OS not the UI. The UI such as Gnome, KDE and the like are essentially shells, and granted can be very complex interfaces. This is true of Chrome book and Android, of course much more restrictive and controlled shells making them much more user friendly. As each grows and runs on larger devices the market saturation will attract larger houses to develop better software fro them too...................

 

vise versa same could be made and said of Windows 7...............

 

Yes, but as I notice no difference between the two I'd rather use the more recent one as that tends to be where support goes most heavily.

 

Really based on what creditable evidences for support?? I could say the same for XP and Vista and now Windows7 those have support as well. I find it amusing when one makes such claims and fail to notice how much swiss cheese they are eating.....

 

Just look at DX11.2. It won't support Vista/7. MS is moving support to 8, that's where they're focusing. It's no surprise, even if XP is still supported it's not like it gets performance updates, and it's not like driver manufacturers are goign to be spending a lot of time on XP drivers when there are so many new capabilities in the newer OS's. It sure isn't geting DX 11, or even 10. It's only supported for security patches and security is much improved in 8 anyways.

 

But until game developers actually code for DX11.2, it makes no difference. Just having DX11.2 itself won't change anything. I realize that the situation might change in the future, but for right now, I don't know of any major games using this update.

 

Certainly. But eventually they will, so why wait to upgrade? Plus there are improvements to drivers for Windows 8 already, since the beta.

 

UI improvements is my reason to wait. Though I doubt that there's a lot of difference in performance in DX11 and DX11.2; hardware is still the most important part.

 

More swiss cheese again....new capabilities as in where and what will I really benefit from it? Not much there is there....DX11 how many games currently use it are few currently and 11.2 isn't going to be a game changer anytime soon more like alot later when the game company supports it as they have yet to all go past DX10 and DX11. They have yet to optimize for DX11 how would you think they are going to make the jump and loose their gamers whom buy their game not likely. Windows 7 gets updates and security patches as well so more swiss cheese. The UI of 8 leaves alot to be desired still. If you read the results people would go to W7 should the support for XP end not W8 that should say something. And you can still download and save drivers for XP and Vista so even if the links are dead or gone you have the drivers. Performance depends alot more then just the O/S without the hardware the O/S is not worth the paper it is printed on.

 

Various things, like a lighter UI and further hardware acceleration. Lots of small improvements to things like that. Games are alreayd bein released DX11 and have been for some time. And DX 11.1/11.2 are only extensions, so it's a much easier move.

I don't feel like googling the specific things for you, there are plenty of improvements. There was one specifically that ATI was taking advantage of, Windows 8 specific.

I don't care about the UI. Not sure what your point about saving drivers is.

Obviously performance depends on your hardware. But it depends a massive amount on software.

You can call it "swiss cheese" but I don't really care much. You're another person who doesn't like the UI and you're basing everythign on that.

 

What is the title of the thread? "Do you hate Windows 8?"! He is telling you he does and why. So why is that not relevant or they are just another person? That is what the thread is about gathering all those "other persons" to post. It just amazes me how people can just run around themselves by coming to a thread asking for haters and then complain they are there...............

 

Oh my. No I don't.

Hate takes energy and time which are much better devoted elsewhere, not on an operating system.

Will I ever have the aforementioned OS installed on my own computer again? Not bloody likely. But there's no hate involved whatsoever.

 

I was ambivalent towards win8 for quite some time. I thought it was a foolish move on MS' part to push a tablet UI on desktop users. A touch interface for a laptop? So you want me to start pawing at my screen like a catnipped out tomcat watching animal planet? Um, no. I did download a trial version and played a bit with it, also used a friends notebook that had it. Decided it wasn't for me, done deal, move on with my life...

Then i hired a new employee at my company. had to set up a new workstation. our resident IT dolt buys a win 8 desktop, then goes on vacation. Trying to set up various programs was a nightmare. Dealing with exchange/server issues, program compatibility, just pretty much everything. So even though i try to keep a calm head and stay rational....

KILL WINDOWS 8. BURN IT WITH FIRE. DIE DIE DIE!

 

Had to like that one as I know the feeling, hopefully though compatibility issues will eventually be resolved......................

 

@tanware. It was just insane the amount of fixing it required. Keep in mind, this was a windows machine and i was trying to use other microsoft software, outlook/server exchange etc. And it just wouldn't work. The tech support at MS is a joke, and I actually had to come on here and other tech forums to solve the issues.

And i haven't even gotten started on the App store. App stores are great for walled-garden ecosystems. Taking that concept and applying it to the pc ecosystem is just...wrong.

I think we all know what has happened here. MS saw apple raking in the $ by providing a (fairly) simple, easy to use, cross-platform-like ecosystem to trap people into buying an iphone, ipad, and mac. MS decides hey, we can do the same thing! Then everyone will buy all our phones, all of our tablets, and all of our computers! And then we can charge people to buy 'apps', because everyone likes apps nowadays and hates these horrible things called 'programs' or software. I can see the executives in the boardroom rubbing their fat little hands together thinking, "Oh how much money we will make, muhuhahahaha!"

I can understand why MS went in the direction it did, and I hope it serves as a lesson to them to listen and focus on what USERS want, not what shareholders/executives/noobs THINK users want.
/end rant...until the next win 8 thread.

 

If you ask a question like "Do you have Windows 8?" you should expect someone to say "No". If you want a topic where it's everyone talking about how they hate Windows 8 make the topic "Post what you hate about Windows 8" - then you can whine when someone says they don't hate it.

 

Reading comprehension 101...

The verb in the title of this thread is "hate" , not "have"...

In all fairness, given the polarization that the OS in question has undoubtedly caused, when a poster starts a thread like the one we're currently in, they are all but inviting flame throwers, rotten tomatoes, tar and feather flying towards the said M$ product...

 

Actually if you have "TRIED" Win8 that qualifies you to answer this thread. If you want to exclude Other OS owners/users then maybe the OP should be "What do you hate about the Win8 you have?" Or something to the like. Anyone can do a yes or no but most want to explain why, now if this were done as a poll maybe that could be different, as well as the choices could be as well......................

Edit; as mentioned above, I dislike this type of thread as it invites flames etc. I prefer valid discussion and debate etc.. What I find very curious is where most companies with products and/or customer service strive to excel! When a consumer rates it as anything but excel most companies then look at it as either fail or not acceptable. Win8 seems to have thrown this marketing model out the window (pun intended), into the toilet then flushed several times before hacking away at it for months with the plunger to be absolutely sure there is no trace of it left anywhere in the sewage system and it is well off to sea..................

 

Errr... no. Typo due to not paying attention. I'd think that would be obvious given the context, which just makes your post a bit ironic.

Which is my point. They asked if people hate Windows 8, they should expect people to come in and say "No, I don't hate it".

Most technical people I know like the features, hate the UI. But to discredit the entire operating system (performance, security, features) just because of the UI is silly.

 

I found it funny. Didn't expect you to do the same...

Well, a highly-polarizing product will bring both " I hate this Godawful piece-of-dirt OS" as well as "This is the best thing since Diet Pepsi" comments, and that's to be expected, *especially* given the title of the thread. The discussions have been going on all over the web for quite some time now, and I honestly feel that the horse has been beaten to death, processed into sausages, eaten and digested.

BTW, not everyone who is not in the W8 camp has the same set of complaints. Generalizations of this nature are misleading at best.

 

Actually since at present the UI is married to the OS in Win8 you can't discredit the UI without discrediting the OS in its entirety. While tech's will say they love some features by saying they dislike the UI to the point they will not use the OS then discredits the whole OS. You might feel I am silly not using the OS because the UI makes it annoying to me on a moment to moment basis but that is the way it is. If I am distracted that much by it then that is the way it is and it is my usage and comfort that matters to me.

In case you have not noticed this is pretty much a common consensus. This is why market share of Win8 stinks and why M$ stocks just took a total bath. In the end the old adage of the consumer is always right still applies, no matter how big M$ is................................

 

The horse may be dead but he's still blocking my path.

 

And most likely it will be M$ since taking a 11% loss hit...on NASDAQ that took everyone else down and you can guess Gates is getting a ear full....from other Tech companies....

 

Bill Gates has nothing to do with this anymore; it's Ballmer who's getting the earful. And, yes, there are rumors on Wall Street, about investors starting to have enough of this. We'll see.

 

I was biased against 8 awhile for the same issues as everyone about the UI. From tech folks I know they keep saying the OS ex the UI is much better which is what I hope for.

When I moved from XP to Win 7 Pro -64 at first all was wonderful. But am getting fed up with issues that I have spent so much time researching on the web with no solutions that work for me. Hangs, sever errors from explorer.exe, and constantly explorer having to restart screen and wait not to mention for certain critical business sites had to downgrade from IE 10 to 9 (and for awhile not work on Chrome my preferred browser) Then the JAVA mess that many had where had to downgrade from I think 10 to 9 or was it 7 to 6. One of the sites with problems is used by maybe 1 million+ users (Pershing owned by Bank of New York)

And the fact every time I reboot wants to load a update that never will install so keeps trying on every reboot. I've tried the MS fixit and other suggested solutions.

I have no idea if Win 8 will help or result in more problems but Win 7 is getting very frustrating especially all the hours spent trying to research and try to fix issues.

I have never played a game, use is serious business - have 5 24" monitors in front of me (2 dual graphics cards and one cloned off Y adapter for clients to see) full of stuff with lots open at a time but still have free memory. My laptop I also work from had graphic card on MB go out so am replacing with Win 8 so will see how goes before redoing main computer hopefully with 8.1 coming out soon. I re found this great forum again researching a replacement (decided to go with Asus N56 via custom made via reseller).

I realize most folks here more into games so sharing thoughts from a serious business user that runs zillions of programs (no time for games) and needs reliable system key to running business.

 

I'm in the same boat as you. I actually have some games, but no time ever to play...
Anyway, it sounds like your Windows 7 install is hosed, so you'll probably be best served by a re-install. If it was me, since I do not have time for games not for childish interfaces and useless "Charms Bars", I'd stick with Win7.

By the way, I agree that IE 10 has worked out as an unmitigated disaster. Frankly, I'm surprised I don't see this discussed much, in this forum or elsewhere. The number of web sites that are broken in IE10 is legion, and compatibility mode may or may not help, but in any case is slower than crap creeping uphill. Of course, in Win8, you have no option other than IE10 (or you can pray that IE11 in Win8.1 will be better; good luck with that...). You could also switch to a different browser; I used to not like Chrome too much, but I have to say, whenever I run into a broken website in IE10, it will work perfectly in Chrome. You can draw your own conclusions...

 

Because no one should ever care about IE. It's been forever, and until they change it drastically it'll always be that way.

Any serious business I do is on Linux.

 

I like the features of IE 10, hate the compatibility of it though.....................

 

No, IE9 was fine, mostly.

 

Personally, I've never had any problems with IE10 (or IE9)...

 

It was 'fine' except it fell behind immediately because every other popular browser has moved to a rapid release cycle.

 

Eh, I just see Google (and now Mozilla) moving to that mainly to play the numbers game. Oh, we're on... Firefox 50!!!

Considering that Microsoft's main customer is big business, who love stability, I see no problem with IE10 not switching over to this model. But that's what the free market is here for; don't like Browser W? Move to Browser X, Y, or Z then.

 

I have a problem with this site:

Manpower Middle East

cannot login

after i login, the page just comes back to the same place

the IE compatibility button also disappears when I am on that page so I cannot use IE Compatibility

the only way to login is to manually change the browser enginer to IE 9 but then I have to switch it back to IE 10 to enjoy IE 10

so I just use Firefox FTW. I need only 1 browser that does everything

 

Are you saying that the editor in this forum, say, works for you in IE10? It works when I first reply, but if I try to edit my posts, I cannot insert newlines. Just one example of hundreds and hundreds that don't work in IE10.

 

I have that problem as well, can't figure out why exactly. The advanced editor works, but not the quick edit. Setting the site in compatibility mode works too. NBR has an even greater dislike of the metro version of IE10, the on screen keyboard pops up and then pops down right afterwards when you try to post something.