Do You Hate Windows 8?

Been using Firefox for years now. I like the ability to add add-ons.

 

Yes, and I think all vBulletin-based forums have the same issue. Yeah, compatibility mode works, but it can be excruciatingly slow on some of them. Then of course there's lots and lots of web pages that won't load properly. All of this used to work in IE9. Like I said, the one thing I can't figure out is why people don't complain about this...

 

In my case, it's simple, I use Opera as my main browser and it works fine on NBR and the sites that don't play well with Opera play well with IE at least the ones I frequent. I only ran into the issue since getting a ThinkPad Tablet 2 where I use IE as my main browser, so I never ran into it until recently, I'll be sure to submit complaints to MS as I have taken the habit of doing.

 

As I recall IE issues started long ago when MS did their own special coding that did not comply with the W3C Consortium standards. The goal of course to force everyone to use IE and then the only two major competitors were Netscape and Opera.

On the Manpower page reference I note the headers says: " /W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"
I'm not sure but the "strict" may mean only W3C standards which IE does not follow. Many web development sites say to design to W3C but "try and make it look good in IE":!

I note as of June 2013 IE only has 12% of market share, Firefox 28.9%, Chrome 52.1%, Safari 3.9% and Opera 1.7%.

I used mostly firefox for years liking the add-ons but then about a year ago switched to Chrome as main browser and like the zillions of extensions. But use IE and FF as backups.

I come from the days of MS- DOS and used OS/2 WARP for a long time (IBM) and before there were webpages used 300 baud packet readers for newsgroups and e-mail on dial up at 14K. We have come a long way but the technology is so complex it causes problems.

 

I'm curious as to where your numbers are coming from, because the ones I have seen lately beg to differ: Internet Explorer 10 takes chunks out of IE9, Windows 8 closes on Vista | Ars Technica I'm not saying yours are wrong and mine are right, but the disparity is rather large between the two and I have no idea where the numbers you listed are coming from.

 

I don't hate it, i just don't love it. There's nothing new that I use or need that it offers. I only installed in because of the price and security. Other than that, its different but not necessarily than the previous OS.

 

Same here it doesn't offer anything new that my other software already gives me Office 2013 already does most for me and FF22 and IE10 work fine for me and as for price. Well price is always a consideration but shouldn't be and security that is a two street W8 is just as same or less secure then any other O/S M$ has created so let's stay out of which is more Secure O/S as any O/S has holes one can drive through. Rather it's the user that determines what kinda of security flaw they create when using the O/S. Price being as is for larger and larger you go and support that would rule out migration as that is something that the price of O/S doesn't take into consideration as that compounds and increases should there be problem migrating that is why Corporation and non-profits are going to Windows7 as that isn't a break that problems can't be ironed out and kept in check and also security if they people managing it haven't had time to ferret out the security in Windows8 what makes one think the rest of their users will. Very unlikely and this will invite more problems which breeds more problems. So as one can see unless there is real necessitating to go Windows8 of which it doesn't give one much benefit from it's not going to happen.

 

No, Windows 8 is the best operating system with advanced features. but it requires high graphics and RAM in comparison with windows 7. so i don't like to install it in my PC.

 

Well as far as resources if the machine runs windows 7 fine it should run windows 8 just as well, as far as the underlying OS is concerned. The UI is another story, so if you are saying it requires newer hardware as in a touch screen then I can see your point..............

 

The difference in stats is interesting. How data compiled can make huge difference.

I happened upon my source Browser Statistics but didn't do any comparative research.

It admits the data may be bias to alternatives which I didn't catch before:

You cannot - as a web developer - rely ONLY on statistics. Statistics can be misleading.

Note: W3Schools is a website for people with an interest for web technologies. These people are more interested in using alternative browsers than the average user. The average user tends to use the browser that comes preinstalled with their computer, and do not seek out other browser alternatives.

Tip: Global averages may not be relevant to your web site. Different sites attract different audiences. Some web sites attract professional developers using professional hardware, while other sites attract hobbyists using old computers.

Anyway, our data, collected from W3Schools' log-files, over many years, clearly shows the long term trends.

 

Looks like 8.1 would be a more viable OS for laptops/desktops:

The Metro hater's guide to the Windows 8.1 Preview | ZDNet

 

Yes, the way the data is compiled, presented, etc. makes a huge difference. Statcounter's data is more in agreement with yours, but when I tried breaking down the data per browser, there was nothing for IE10 or IE6 and prior, so I have no idea if it is included or not in the overall IE stats: StatCounter Global Stats - Browser, OS, Search Engine including Mobile Market Share. It could be or could not be included, not sure. amakai IO puts IE on top: http://www.akamai.com/html/io/io_da...ype=line&start=20130621&end=20130721&net=both, so does netmarketshare: Market share for mobile, browsers, operating systems and search engines | NetMarketShare for desktop browser. I didn't see an option to get the desktop browser only stats on globalstatcounter unfortunately.

And, I'm taking this thread off topic, shame on me.

Anyways, back to 8.1, the article Jarhead linked shows stuff that might please people who are on the fence and those won don't really care, but the die hard desktop "fans" won't settle for this.

 

I'd consider myself a die-hard desktop fan, though I'll try out 8.1 CP sometime in the next few months (I need to figure out how to dual-boot with 7). If I don't like it, no big loss for me (though MS might be in trouble since if this is how Windows is going to be int he future, I might switch full-time to Linux or OSX).

 

As am I. But since I've already made the switch so I guess they have me where the want me. May as well get some of my old desktop back.

 

Partition the drive, Install 8.1, it will detect that you already have an OS installed and ask you which one you want as the primary during the setup process. Choose Windows 7 and when you're done with 8.1, you can nuke the partition. At least, that's how it is for Windows 8, when I installed the Win 8 CP, that is what I did and it worked flawlessly.

 

No hate, am using it (no metro, classic shell, deleted all apps, shop etc and it's fine), but am (strongly) disliking the new MS philosophy and arrogance.

Chances are that Microsoft themselves will soon be the biggest W8 haters, when looking back at their self-imposed problems and complete failure in creating a fresh, popular OS\platform > catastrophic results, loss of goodwill and low acceptance (and stock decline).

Not to mention the RT joke that costs them a fortune (in cash and reputation).

MS knew they needed desperately to innovate, but (so far) w8 only added to their decline.

 

I am using windows 8 on 1 laptop and one HTPC.

It's not too bad. I never really used the start button even in previous windows anyway, so absence of that does not really bother me. Besides, the metro screen is just a big start page.

 

Get startisback for three dollars and have a windows 8 that functions exactly like windows 7 except is much faster. It can boot straight to desktop and you never even have to look at the stupid start screen if you dont want to. You can disable all those stupid annoying charms too.

 

While it is good to see positive Win8 comments it should not work just like, which startisback doesn't, it should work better than Win7. This is supposed to be the next iteration, sad to say we can't get it to work as well (UI piece) as the prior iteration..................

 

I've only been exposed to Win 8 on my daughters phone, so I haven't any opinion of the OS yet.

But, here's another 371+ comments about it:

Touch: Where Microsoft Went Wrong | TechCrunch

 

Just to be totally clear, that's a totally different OS. Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 are not the same OS.

I love it when the author states his/her personal subjective opinion as irrefutable, statistically-supported fact.

 

For the most part the statements are true, although you would have to loosely base this on most sites out there and doing it piece meal. Now to reverse your own statement I would say show us links to data showing where his statements are wrong?

Unfortunately it is too true of the hybrid touch laptops, few want them as usually the user us at the keyboard and the touchpad or mouse is a more intuitive use for an attached keyboard. For convertibles though a touch interface just makes sense, again though where it allows non touch with the keyboard attached.

Back to topic, if you have to get a new machine and it has windows 8 spend some time with the actual OS and UI on the device or a very similar one before you buy. Do not just listen to all of us here. While the knowledge passed along can be invaluable, personal experience is the better determination for your purchase...................

 

But the article said that people didn't want touch input on a Lenovo Yoga, a convertible device. Seriously, the article said "Machines like the Yoga...are held back by Microsoft’s Windows 8 touch interface that most users simply don’t care for." I would love for the author to find me someone who (1) wants a Yoga as opposed to a traditional laptop, but (2) doesn't want touch.

I won't hold my breath.

That's the point. The author got caught up with the hyperbolic "OMG nobody wants any of this" rant and just started making statements that don't make sense and are simply indefensible. Even the biggest haters of Windows 8 on this forum will concede that it works very well on a convertible device.

 

It is true where the author is right and wrong. Wrong in that as a touchpad a touch OS is preferred. Right as in where laptop usage configuration the touchpad/mouse will be preferred. Agreed the article should have specified this rather than the full negative connotations.

I am one of the first to say that Win8 is not all bad, and it shouldn't be hated. It does have it's place and qualities. The problem for M$ is they seem to feel touch is a better alternative to the traditional keyboard and mouse. It is only a substitute where the devices are light and small enough to make touch usable and then it is not a better input method but a best option.

I'll again go off topic here and state a laptop that could do 3D gestures from both hands above the keyboard would be awesome rather than reaching for the touchpad/mouse. This could work for tables too but maybe one handed. Again this is just IMHO, I would guess we all can dream.

 

LOL That's why I ended the sentence with the

I was more interested in the 371 attached comments, than the Tech Crunch article. They were definitely "on topic".