Fun with Vista's EULA!

http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/420

Better not run any benchmarks on it.

 

Another reason to not bother with Vista.

 

I'll be sticking with XP Pro and W2K, thank you very much.

 

Ok, I'm using RC2 now and I know It's Beta for Ultimate.

So whats the rundown on these differ kinds of vista.

Where does Aero begin? I know Home Basic or Starter will not have it, or probally anything for that price .. lol

With Ultimate have what Bussiness Edition has?

Enterprise? Does this mean Ultimate will not come with new PCs?
Whats the differ?


I'm starting to understand why Microsoft is so pressed on piracy, but it's their own fault.

 

I think your questions are better asked here:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=85495

Have you visited the Vista website? Check this out:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/editions/default.mspx

 

And on the back of that... I really think now that I'm not even playing any games anymore that it's time for me to go play with Linux, see if I can't use that instead!

 

XP + Ubuntu

XP was at least reasonable @ ~ $110, $399 is no thx.

 

I agree. Microsoft is becoming more and more draconion with every release. Ever since I used Windows 2000 Server and had to upgrade the OS just to allow SSL connections and I've really felt how silly Microsoft is. With Linux or BSD, you're the man. You're in control. No one can tell you what to do (unless you want to distribute modified source code which very few users do) or how many copies to install. With Windows, especially Vista, you're basically renting the software and don't own anything.

 

Hell, you can distribute modified source code, too. You just can't modify it, make a binary, and then distribute only the binary and NOT the source code. And under BSD, you don't even have to do that. You can tweak it however the hell you want, and all you have to do is say in your license that you use BSD code.

I like my freedom. I'm going to do everything I can to not run Vista, and encourage everyone else that I meet or know to do the same.

 

Same here. I guess the only thing we can hope for is that Microsoft revises their EULA once they realize the negative publicity it's garnering. Unfortunately, I doubt MS will budge.

 

I swear to god, the first time I am hindered at doing anything (because a lot of the things I do could be mistaken as the HORRIBLE! WORLD DESTROYING! "PIRACY"!) by any of microsoft's antipiracy bull crap is the first time I'll have thrown a propane canister wrapped with dynamite through the window of Bill Gate's office (can't admit I have ever done that before). You know they (microsoft) will do EVERYTHING in there power to FORCE people to move to vista, and it will start by cutting off support and updates for XP. I see a black cloud hanging over all that is operating systems, and while linux seems like the savior what are gamers to do (those emulation things in linux just don't always cut it).

 

Wishful thinking. Microsoft is a monopolist and will always act like a monopoly. If there's anything, it looks like Microsoft cares less and less about its users every day (DRM, EULAs). Microsoft's EULA is written to protect them, not to tell you what you rights are since they are virtually non-existant. You have the right to use their software but only in the way that they deem proper. But unfortunately, the average user won't know how bad things are until he gets bitten by it. Microsoft's PR machine will make sure that the average user thinks that he's in control and not Microsoft. They're even going out and telling people that the Vista EULA is exactly like the XP EULA except that it 'clarified certain points.' If you still believe Microsoft is every going to be fair or truthful or even care about their users, think again.

 

You could do the following:

1) Make sure to always have a backup Windows XP CD / DVD will all the drivers for your machine in case you need to re-install. You could then dedicate this as your gaming machine.

2) Start to learn to use Linux (even if you start by installing it in VMware) to do the rest of your work so that when they do cut off support from Windows XP, you'd be using Linux for all your work and Windows for just gaming.

3) Send a polite email to gaming companies such as EA, etc. asking for a native port to Linux.

 

Games like Quake 4 and Unreal Tournament already run in Linux. Keep supporting id Software and Epic, and things will start to shift. The Linux market needs to be there before manufacturers want to start making games for it.

 

Hmm, what am I complaining about? I'll probably end up pirating vista to give it a test run before I spend any money on it anyway (I am the scourge of microsoft and large software companies like that, I feel like god damned robin hood some times -but I typically slap myself back to reality before I'm at risk of getting sent to prison).

 

Let me just say this for everyone here: Vista is a piece of crap.

 

I'm not upgrading to Vista, simply because of the increasing restrictions put on end users. I liked the last line of the Nov. 6 update of that article. Aren't most Windows users OEM users?

I've now made the commitment to dig into Linux (before Oracle completely messes it up) and get used to it. By the time XP is obsolete, I should be OK to switch.

 

Hmmm, yeah, I might do the same, but first I should take care of this "scratch" on my hand that is bleeding profusely on my keyboard (stupid cat). Ha, that is funny though, just bringing that to light has caused microsoft to change it just so they don't get any (more) bad rep like that. I say we pick the EULA apart and hound them to death about it until they change crap (they've already shown they will break under the pressure of enough "diggs"). Who's with me?

 

spooky: by just using Windows, you're helping the monopoly. They spread through questionably legal copying of their OS originally, and now they want to start charging. Just use Linux or OSX, and start fighting the good fight.

 

Mmmm, don't even mention OSX, they would be worse than microsoft if they had control of the markey, luckily they don't, charging for "updates" and crap. Besides, who cares if they "spread", I just get pissed when they start asking for insane amounts of money.

 

The charging for "updates" are often large changes to the OS. Leopard will have plenty of new features being added to it, that is well worth the $50 for it. I don't see how you can ***** about that.
I originally thought it was crappy, until I found out that each iteration of OS X is a pretty major change.

I'll stick with Linux for my server, OS X on my laptop, and XP for my gaming rig.

 

Speaking of charges (and not to go off topic), but it looks like MS is now offering customer support at various levels of pay per this email I just received as a "preferred customer" (and the message header indicates it's a valid MS offer/message):

It seems like there are just as many levels of this as their are of the new Vista. And most of this kind of support is free through news groups and various forums (like this one). And the idea of Microsoft providing support for non-Microsoft software just sounds somewhat foreboding.

 

Microsoft backtracked on the EULA! Due in large part to the huge negative public backlash, you can now transfer a retail version of Vista as many times as you want, just like XP (OEM versions are still tied to the original PC). You must remove Vista from the previous machine, again just like XP.

I still won't be buying Vista, but at least Microsoft managed to pull its collective head out of its backside.

 

So we can't run Microsoft Vista using Microsoft Virtual PC even if we had the hardware to do it? Oh, goody.

 

Yep. No doubt about that.

 

Yeah, the difference between Tiger and Leopard will probably be greater than the difference between XP and Vista.

Plus, Apple are charging less than 25% of the price to upgrade.

 

No, you just can't run the more basic versions of Vista with Virtual PC AFAIK.