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    Google Chrome: Is this supposed to be a joke?

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by Pirx, Dec 30, 2010.

  1. Hungry Man

    Hungry Man Notebook Virtuoso

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    ahaha

    Flat out wrong... You're better than this.
     
  2. flynnaz

    flynnaz I am a Night Elf Mohawk!

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    Ok, maybe not Mozilla, but installing Chrome does not give Google any boost as was hinted.
     
  3. nemt

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    It doesn't yet. Who knows what Google has in mind for it.

    Would you install something from Doubleclick on your PC?


    (EDIT: Welp apparently Google bought Doubleclick in 2008, still a valid comparison though)
     
  4. Hungry Man

    Hungry Man Notebook Virtuoso

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    To continue any benchmark will show you taht javascript will execute and run faster on chrome.

    What does this mean? Well most pages on the web in this day and age are running javascript and it's handled by your browser. So let's say you have an infinite internet connection (no bottleneck there) and you get your web page info immediately.

    You have to render essentially your three levels of code (the combination being your AJAX) one of which is javascript (the level after HTML) this is not based on internet speed it is based on your browser... 100% of how your browser can use your hardware. Chrome does this the best and every benchmark (even firefox's =p) will show that it's much faster.

    So javascript (the biggest part of the web after HTML) is going to be faster on Chrome...

    And then there's sandboxing. One reason not to use IE is that it is targeted by viruses. It's not necessarily less secure but it IS more popular so people go after it. Chrome is not nearly as popular as IE or even as firefox, which makes it a much smaller target (why attack only 5% of the populationw hen you can attack 95?)

    Chromes security extends in other facets: it sandboxes. I won't go into that...

    What else....

    about:flags

    If you're a chrome user please type about:flags inton your url bar =p you'll find lots of goodies

    Having used a celeron with 512mb of ram and an i5 with 4GB of ram and GPU I can see the difference in speed on BOTH computers when properly set up. (I actually see the biggest on the celeron, IE is incredibly slow... I switched to chrome and I was very surprised.)

    Food for thought I suppose.
     
  5. DetlevCM

    DetlevCM Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Not really.

    Most pages that load slowly on my computer load slowly because the data takes it's time to arrive.
    Websites are overloaded with junk that needn't be there in the first place which results in sometimes 1MB downloads... if I save a website of the NY Times as HTML it's a 1MB+ sized folder...

    -> that's limited by your network speed

    Interestingly I manage about 550KB/s down streaming from the iplayer, in the past I got about 350KB/s down max in the UK -> and that's with broadband, some people don't even have that.

    That's ignoring the upload of the server too...

    Maybe if you are on company intranet you could notice a difference... or on some of the Chinese/Korean 100MBit/s connections... but not in Europe - or most of the US.
     
  6. Hungry Man

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    Continued more :O (in which I prove I'm not the biggest google fanboy)

    Customizability is in chrome. They've had complaints for yeras and frankly I find it ridiculous.

    As for cache size? Not that important. Cache replacement policy is more important than the actual size. If you want a performance boost try creating a RAM disk for your cache? Increasing cache size does not necessarily mean increasing speed because if your cache size is 100GB you have to search 100GB every time you want to find a cached page.

    Your cache replacement policy is much more important. It determines how to keep your cache small while still efficient. This means improved speeds when looking up your cached pages, and therefor increased loading times.
     
  7. flynnaz

    flynnaz I am a Night Elf Mohawk!

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    Is it too much to think that just maybe other companies have better ideas/solutions than Mirosoft??? Why is it so bad that we have a choice? I just rebuilt a old XP system, loaded all three major browsers, IE8 was diffenty slower than Firefox and Chrome. Chome was a tad bit faster the Firefox. I loaded the same pages fivee times each. Not that techy but I can see the diffrence.

    I will say IE9 looks and feels better tham IE*, we will see :)
     
  8. Hungry Man

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    I realize I was unclear. I fully agree that the greatest bottleneck for most people is their internet connection (it is for me) my point was to only say that were there no bottleneck you'd see a difference in ajax execution.

    On top of that (unrelated) different programs can utilize internet packets differently. For example download accelerators can split files up or can use multiple connections. We learned a long time ago that splitting a file up and sending it as a series fo "packets" saves you tons and tons of time. Same with compressing information.
     
  9. Pirx

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    I am not quite sure why you would think your personal experiences would be of any interest to me, visa-a-vis my own experience. I repeat, on this machine, there is absolutely, positively, zero perceptible difference in speed between IE and Chrome. Both browsers pop up immediately, and the web pages I typically visit (say, nytimes.com), finish loading in pretty much exactly the same amount of time. Sometimes IE is a little faster, sometimes Chrome. This is despite the fact that IE here also loads almost two dozen Add-ons. As far as I can tell, the reason for any differences I see are network transfer rates varying slightly.

    I might add that I have never seen IE acting "incredibly slow" on any of my machines, but like I said, I am used to fast machines ;) Be that as it may, I simply haven't come across any web pages were the rendering speed of my browser was a factor, so for me, those discussions about browser speed are entirely meaningless. Take it for what it's worth.
     
  10. nemt

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    People who cite major speed differences between browsers (not counting IE8's slow javascript performance) tend to be the least knowledgeable on the matter.

    I like Google, I use an Android phone and Google Search is my default search provider - I'd just never use any browsing software put out by them or anyone else who makes money primarily by advertising and user tracking.
     
  11. Hungry Man

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    I like to cover my bases. That means providing a personal experience as well as evidence to those experiences (see other posts.) I think it's quite clear that browsers will make a difference, even with a bottleneck from your ISP. The fact is that when you finally DO get the information it's still got to be compiled and rendered on your screen and guess what... that's done entirely by your browser.
     
  12. olyteddy

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    Were they busy 'downloading' with their other hand? I use software that works. Fore me, at least, Chrome 'works'. Simple interface, reliable and quick. Sorry, I'm not compelled to try to second guess the author(s).
     
  13. Hungry Man

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    Well this is just confusing. Would you prefer people didn't cite major speed differences? Because they're documented... and this is a discussion about speed differences.

    I'll keep this in mind.
     
  14. flynnaz

    flynnaz I am a Night Elf Mohawk!

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    Personal experiences are what Fourms like this are all about Pirx, and as far as Browser Speed, it's important to many people, that's kinda why we are talking about all this, it's a reason to try other browsers like Chrome, to each their own,
     
  15. Hungry Man

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    I have an android device as well. I don't understand your point, could you clarify?

    Also I don't think chrome is the end all be all browser. I much prefer firefox when it comes to customization.
     
  16. Hungry Man

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    about:cache

    just inc ase you wanted to view your cache ;D

    Google Chrome's about: Pages

    here's the rest of the about pages


    edit:
    I'm surprised I've only seen "google knows enough about me" a few times here by the way.

    I hope you guys realize every website gets info (like the state you live in and your isp) just by you going to it? And you can go to your settings (or disable before you evein INSALL chrome) and disable sending any information to chrome... so all that it gets is the normal info that literally every browser will get.
     
  17. Jayayess1190

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    I can...

    It is cool to install an add on or change a bookmark in Chrome in Windows, then go to Ubuntu and see that same change happened in Chrome there. Chrome has add ons that no other browser had, like Last.fm free music player which allows me to turn Last.fm into a music player. I like Chrome, am I a moron for liking it? Do you really need to insult those of us who like it?

    And as for nothing can be configured, the interface may not be able to change much, but about:flags has lots of fun things.
     
  18. davepermen

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    you fail. as usual. hating google is stupid. hating progress is stupid. hating common sense is stupid. but you love to rant everywhere and dismiss anything, and especially dismiss to ever learn something new.
     
  19. Kdawgca

    Kdawgca rotaredoM repudrepuS RBN

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    The thread has deteriorated into bickering even after Charles' message, so thread closed.

    Nothing is perfect, but lets keep future discussions constructive...if you want to rant, make a blog. Talk about helpful addons like the Last FM for chrome, BarTab for firefox(unloads pages from memories), ABP for IE, or other ways you can tweak or better the user experience with browsers.

    There are many topics to have a healthy discussion...I suggest finding those topics to discuss.
     
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