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    I can't see anymore my shared hd or pcs on network

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by crusher88, Aug 22, 2018.

  1. crusher88

    crusher88 Notebook Consultant

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    Hi everybody.
    i'm experiecing an issue of which i have no clue what it might be because i have done absolutely 0 changes to any configuration.
    the problem is that from my pc i can't access anymore to any hd shared on the network like the ones attached to the router nor i can see other pcs .. but if i go from the other pcs i can access with no problem to my shared hds, so it must be something on the pc end and not on the router end.
    on my pc ( the one in the sign) i have done absolutely no change apart from updating the intel chipset something that i do normally oh also the killer drivers for my wifi adaptor.. that's all. i just noticed this today last time i treid to access to my hds maybe it was 10 days ago so i don't know what specifically could have caused this.
    I've been trying to run some troubleshoot to restart the samba protocol or whatever but with no luck, to be more precise my exploring network windows looks like this

    https://gyazo.com/014f1b035691edb649039872e34b2627

    note " that one pc you see " to which i can connect is actually my own pc, i can't see any other pc on the network.

    thanks for any help, i'm clueless about how to proceed
     
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  2. Mr. Fox

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    The latest version of Windows 10 has had tons of problems with private network file sharing and not being able to see other computers. In some cases even when the other PCs are visible, you cannot access them and get an error 0x80070035 telling you that the network path is not found. It is hit or miss, where some computers have no issues and others with the same version of Windows don't want to cooperate.

    I have had to spend several hours tinkering with things to get it working and it is very frustrating. Give me a few minutes and I will find a link to another post for you with some suggestions.

    Edit: Try some of the things I posted in this link... http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...xes-index-post-1.779394/page-71#post-10761239

    Additional things to check:
    - Enable NetBIOS over TCP in each network adapter properties
    - Enable file/print sharing in the "private" profile section
    - Turn off password protected sharing in the "all networks" profile section of Network and Sharing Center
    - Be sure you have shared drives or folders with "Everyone" access sharing permissions assigned
    - Open Control Panel, Programs and Features, click "Turn Windows features on or off" and be sure SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing is installed
    - Confirm your network type is a Private/Home network (not a business/domain) as Windows 10 sometimes arbitrarily changes it for no explainable reason
    - Run gpedit.msc and check to be sure "Accounts: Limit local account use of blank passwords to console logon only" is DISABLED on all connected computers

    Seems like a lot because it is. Windows 10 can be a HUGE pain in the butt with this private network file sharing access. You could easily waste a half day chasing your tail with this crap, especially with Windows 10 v1806.
     
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    thanks for the answers, i really need my thing to work again and i'm kinda desperate now :/
    my version of windows is windows pro 1803.
    i'm gonna try with some of those but i wonder if they are going to release any fix for this at some point? what if none of those work? meanwhile i'll start trying
    thank you very much guys
     
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    Yeah, 1803 is a real nightmare. I doubt they are going to fix their messes. They are great at making them and pretending they do not exist. The local network access issues with 1803 are by design. Micro$lop thinks they are not important and make your PC too insecure, LOL.

    I haven't used HomeGroup in years, but their half-baked release of 1803 includes changes that affect more than HomeGroup. Here's what the Redmond Retards published about it.

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4091368/windows-10-homegroup-removed

    If none of the above works, maybe @Phoenix can think of something else to add. Keep us posted. Good luck.
     
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    The only thing I can think of is setting the following services to AUTOMATIC which you taught me how to:

    - Function Discovery Provider Host
    - Function Discovery Resource Publication

    Other than that, this build is way too messed up and broken for any sane human to fix. They need to re-write the entire kernel code for this POS OS and give us more cartoony Windows Garbage Apps preinstalled to keep the fun factor up :rolleyes:
     
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    Yes, that was in the link in my first post. It helped in my situation, but it was not enough. It made the computers visible, but I had to take it further to resolve the "network path not found" issues.

    I agree... really messed up.
     
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    i have done all of the above steps minus

    - Enable NetBIOS over TCP in each network adapter properties
    - Be sure you have shared drives or folders with "Everyone" access sharing permissions assigned

    because i looked for them and i was not able to do them.. none of them fixed it.. the thing is that it's not that i updated to 1803 a few days ago, i mean i think i got this update months ago and my sharing was working till like one or 2 weeks ago? surely not more than 2 weeks ago! so i can't understand what's happened and i need to get this working for university cause i have a lot of stuff on my netowork hds and i need to access them without unplugging them now from my router -_-
    i swear i have not done anything new , it was working fine one week ago!
    i'm not sure what to do now... ugh. any ideas?
     
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    Micro$haft breaks their crap on the fly with updates all of the time. With Windows 10, working correctly right now does not mean that it is going to work fine in 5 minutes. All it takes is one piece of crap update to screw everything up. That can happen at any time if you have not disabled Windows Update.

    Have you tried mapping the shared drives or adding them as a Network Location instead of accessing them through the Network UI? There is a chance that will work. Sometimes the other PCs and shared folders will show up that way when they do not otherwise. It's worth a shot if you have not already tried it.
    map.JPG nwloc.JPG

    Here we go...
    NetBIOS.JPG Everyone.JPG
     
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    hi

    thank you very much , i have tried all your last methods and no success.. i had also tried the mapping but it just doesn't see them :(
    this thing has no sense.. googling i've read that some people have reinstalled the printer services on the network adapt panel but when i go to reinstall them it asks me for some drivers that i don't have
     
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    You're welcome.

    Have you already tried going into your router setup and resetting to factory defaults? If not, try that and see if it helps. If it does you can apply any custom settings after troubleshooting.

    Sometimes routers store things in NVRAM that do not get flushed and that can mess with access on one or two PCs or other devices while others continue working fine.
     
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    It was nice visiting with you via TeamViewer. Sorry we could not resolve the issue. With the services that are missing in Windows and all of the things we tried, I think a goofed up Windows 10 update is screwing things up. That can be difficult or impossible to repair. As we discussed, I recommend that you do a clean install from ISO and do not allow any in-place automatic version upgrades in the future. The time spent thus far trying to resolve the issues has been more time and effort than a clean install would have required.
     
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    thank you so much for wasting 1 hour and half of your time trying to sort it out , i feel bad that i made you lose all this time lol I will see to eventually have a fresh windows install when i have a few days off .. in a while unfortunateLy.
    thank you very much!
     
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    i have another option that i didnt see mentioned in Mr.Fox's list of fixes, but have you changed your "WORKGROUP" by any chance. I would recommend writing some gobbledegook in the WORKGROUP reboot, and then change to your preferred name and then reboot. For me, enabling the SMB client 1.0 normally fixes this issue.
     
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    could you specify what is gobbledegook? you mean a random name, restart, then change again? anyway i did try a network reset even.. and that didn't work..
     
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    i am sorry I wrote gobbledegook with an "e" rather a "y", and yes its just a meaningless / random name in your WORKGROUP. I don't think a network reset will change the WORKGROUP though, but anything that gets you out of having to reformat (which might be neccessary at he end) is worth a shot.
     
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    thanks. .i tried that but didn't help :/ i wish i could just reinstall windows but the problem is that first i need to use all my settings from lots of programs etc.. it takes days just to do that lol
     
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    I can at least access another computer by entering computer name directly (\\computer_name) in File Explorer or the Run dialog box.
     
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    This is what part of 1803 urks me the most I had my main Desktop with all the drives in homegroup only to find out sorry no luck. And this made it very easy to do NAS from the Desktop and now I have headaches to just get it working. What a load of M$ BS......
     
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    could i ask you to re-flash your bios? and then see what happens?
     
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    crusher88,
    Do you know if your router (that also functions as your NAS or file server) is SMBv1 or SMBv2 (or later) device?
    It would seem that Windows 10 1803 is becoming increasing allergic to SMBv1, so I guess the decision is do we want to force Windows 10 use to SMBv1 and the computer browser service or do we want to use SMBv2 (or SMBv3) and use function discovery services?

    As for firewall, Home location and Work (corporate or domain) locations are the same except home is more permissive in that it allows for Homegroups but otherwise they are the same set of firewall rules. The private location (park bench icon in W7) is the most locked down and in most instances your PC is not broadcasting and not discoverable.

    I would suggest we fix the network to have all devices use SMBv2 or later, but it you need SMBv1, we could try that instead (even though Mr. Fox already expended a lot of time and effort and he has considerable experience with SMBv1). What SMB version does your router support? What other OSs are on your LAN? Any prior versions of Windows, too?
     
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    i'm not that advanced to do that and i don't wanna risk breaking doing anything like that.. plus it would void my warranty i believe.. so i don't want to try that.. too dangerous
     
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    hi, my router is an asus rt -ac68u on a wrt firmwarew that uses already smb3 already, i had alraedy checked that.. and on my network i only have windows 10 devices
     
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    Flashing the BIOS on your laptop should not void your warranty