I love Windows 7, anybody else? :)

I think windows 7 is better then snow leopard. now that is a mess worth complaining about.

 

Brother, I can almost bet that I am older than you and I most likely have more computer experience than you as I have been teaching computer science/electronics at Cal Berkeley for over 30 years. Just the fact that you even had to acknowledge that I might be in diapers during your earlier years might give you a heads up that maybe your hanging around on a forum with age levels you can't relate to. There's no reason for me to explain W7's wonderful new confusing Control Panel or how to deal with the Registry, most people already know this. I was saying my peace as others have a right to.

 

30 years of teaching Computers Science? You need to know more about modern Windows OSes like Vista and Windows 7. Don't talk about the same old Windows registry that Apple fanboys talks about.

 

Ah, enlighten me, so are you saying that the Windows Registry is no longer in existence since W7's inception? Really? I certainly see it in the version I've been using. You're not referring to ME as an Apple fanboy are you? When in my last few posts that I have been singing the praises of Snow Leopard or Apple? However, IMO, Snow Leopard is a better OS. We support it very well on the Berkeley campus and we certainly have less issues with it than what W7 has brought.

 

Why? What's your metric?

What are the reasons for the differences in the incidence of "issues" you perceive?

 

I like it just fine- I have 32bit home premium on 2 different machines. (I have Vista Business on another and good old XP on 2 more.)

I think I like 7 better than the others but I don't have any concrete reason why. Maybe I just like it because I've been told that it is better. There are things I don't like about it- mostly that things are in different places from where they were under XP, and I haven't gotten accustomed to working with libraries. I think I liked "my documents" under XP better.

 

I see, you ask that question of me, but you won't ask that same question of AppleUSR that stated a few posts back that Windows 7 was better than Snow Leopard. Odd that he calls himself AppleUsr and speaks negatively about Apple's products.

 

Don't get childish here. How old did you say you are? Yes, I am asking the question of you, because I am interested in your answer. That is the reason people typically ask questions, you know. So, do you have an answer?

Oh, and just so AppleUSR doesn't feel left out, hey, AppleUSR, why do you think Win7 is better?

 

Looks like you're getting a little hot under the collar here. The discussion was at least mature until you had to pull out your bag of insults. I'm really sorry that it bothers you that not everyone is in love with W7 and not all of us here are drinking kool-aid and think it's the end all to personal computing.

 

Installed in my new unit works nicely with ie8 64 bit.

 

Interesting your philosophy as to what it took for Microsoft to innovate. That's absolutely ridiculous on so many levels. So your motto is, "A monopolistic company is a company that's driven to innovate"? I highly doubt that the reason the PC computer and MS's Office suite got better from the start is due to MS's monopoly at the time. If that's so, show us some proof to back that up.

First, many of the reasons Microsoft has even gotten off their easy chairs is because of Apple's drive for innovation. Windows 7 wouldn't even be as good as it is (and that doesn't say much) if MS's customers hadn't been drooling over Apple's OS. If a company holds a monopoly they will have almost zero drive to strive to to be the best as there's no competition. Their customers are forced to use only one system, compute in only one way and accept every shortcoming as there's no other choice. Your logic is highly flawed, maybe you have a lack of business sense or know nothing about business in general.

I find it interesting that you think my profession entails me teaching about computers in the stone age. My education in computers extends through UNIX, LINUX, Mac OS X and even the latest version of Microsoft's OS which certainly could be better. It's MS who refuses to take risks and truly rewrite the Windows OS and make it a true secure operating system like the Mac OS is with it's UNIX underpinnings. Why won't MS take the risk? Well, they don't have to, they have 90% market share and IMO, that's close enough to a monopoly which is the main reason why Windows just gets evolutionary updates to either match or copy their competitor's OS or to keep their customer's from crying.

See, I can write a whole post without snide elitist comments like some of you.

 

Quite revealing, that post. " It's MS who refuses to take risks and truly rewrite the Windows OS and make it a true secure operating system like the Mac OS is with it's UNIX underpinnings"? I don't know who this guy is, or what or where he teaches, but he sure has absolutely no clue what he is talking about here. No wonder he so steadfastly refuses to engage in any real exchange of arguments, prefering instead his silly drive-by shooting attempts.

 

surfasb,

I'm still lol... over your last post.

Just read the whole thread (again) and have to agree with the people here that want to have a conversation (i.e. not HLdan), that Win 7 is the best operating system I've used. And, I've used them all, including OS/X which seems kinda cartoonish to me, not only in looks, but in functionality too.

Not bashing Apple here, just comparing.

Too bad HLdan didn't answer Pirx's questions - I thought we could have learned something.

surfasb, I also have to agree with your views on MS world domination:

Imagine where we'd be today if great minds weren't bothered by court restraints, ridiculous $$$$$$$$$$ penalties and laws that to me seem blatantly anti-MS, with no fairness involved or even pretended to be used. What if their dreams were allowed to come true? Some of them did, but most of them, I'm afraid, got scared of ever appearing because of what the 'watchdogs' would do/say.

No matter what HLdan can dream up to say (cause he certainly has offered no facts), MS forced the world to innovate, not the other way around. If MS behaved the way HLdan thinks, then they would have also been an also ran - something like AMD is right now because when it was on top, it didn't have the sense to formulate a plan to stay there.

I agree with a single firm hand on the steering wheel with a mind as bright, focussed and not afraid to dream for the good of all, like MS had back in the '90's.

Bill Gates, I too salute you Sir!

Cheers!

 

Ha, you promised you weren't going to respond to me anymore. I knew you couldn't hold that promise. This whole thread is about who loves Windows 7? Some people said they weren't a fan and other said they love it. I wrote in a small post saying it wasn't holding up to the hype and I wasn't in love with it. You come in a pick directly at me because I'm not drinking your favorite flavor of kool-aid, then you attack me saying that I know nothing of what I say. No worries, I know who I am dealing with. Rest assure, I will no longer respond to you as you can't seem to hold your promise towards me, nor your insults. But I will continue to express my opinion about Windows 7 as I have just as much as right as the next person here. Sorry, if that continues to bother you. You're making it personal, I am doing just the opposite.

 

Windows is moving towards a UNIX concept of a OS with smaller set of more important core set of services to get the system up and running, removing unimportant chunk from it.
But you can be sure they will never reinvent the wheel.

 

Well, he certainly is unable to even define what he might mean by his notion of "underpinnings", let alone present any meaningful comparison of the security features of the two OSes he attempts to compare. As an aside, it turns out that as a matter of fact Windows NT is based on a far more advanced security structure than most existing Unix systems, Mac OS included.

Hey, and why not; that's the way Apple operates: First change the OS, radically, and without any regard for backwards compatibility. You guys have a problem with your old software? Just buy new software! Then, seeing how happily their customers swallowed that one, hey, let's also chuck out that "superior hardware" platform we had touted for decades, and switch to Intel. You guys complaining about your software not running well anymore? Just go out and buy new software, again!

Just imagine Microsoft treating their customers like that...

No, just a troll.

A troll with very limited reading comprehension, too. Notice that my post was not directed at that clown at all, and neither is this reply.

 

I am not sure how MS does its security as compared to UNIX not all that opensource...
But I know people hated UAC when all it does is mirror the sudo concept in UNIX...
Powershell is great scripting like bash in UNIX.
Apple doesn't have much customers to keep during OS 9 to OS X transition.
Certainly not much corporate customers.
Can you imagine when Microsoft do that??

 

I certainly feel sorry for many of you who agree with the idea that Microsoft should be the only and only company that runs the computing industry. That's stupid, plain stupid. Why would want one company to dominate everything? That's runs on the same lines as being Hitler. We would be told what do to with one OS, one Office suite, one web browser and have to accept things the way they are since we will have no choice. Is that what you want? Is so, explain that. Also don't add to something I have never said, I haven't tried to put out any facts like SURFASB, I've only stated my opinion and it's apparent that most of you Microsoft lovers just want people to post that ONLY love Windows 7 to keep everything flowing nice and smooth.
"Oh, dare anyone say Windows 7 isn't that great, we better do damage control so nobody thinks Windows 7 isn't as perfect as we say it is".

 

No OS is the greatest you will see patches and updates at some point in time until it dies out.

 

No, the intent of UAC has nothing at all to do with Unix's sudo. Windows has had the equivalent of that since NT 3.1 if I remember correctly. Essentially, UAC is an attempt to get the unwashed masses to finally accept, and take advantage of the security that NT has always offered, rather than undermining it. It's been rough going, unfortunately. Just look at all the nitwits still proudly declaring how "the first thing they do is switch off UAC"...

 

Hey that is new, I thought Microsoft always wanted users to have proper user permission but stupid developers/OEM keep making them become Administrators...
UAC makes them users again...or at least think twice before allowing a low level system call.
But does Windows NT has permission to elevate users permission to admin permission?
I thought for that you need to login and out of User?

 

Hey! Don't feel sorry for us, educate us.

In the last half dozen posts I've read by you, you haven't given fact one on your position. You only attack at different angles to show your supposed superiority.

Well, let me explain what I said since you don't get it. I don't want MS to run the world. I want MS to run itself, like it used to. Not via committee, like now (a committee of courts, I might add). See? No Hitler involved! No kool aid either, like the one you're drinking which is making you blind to the good MS has done for the industry as a whole.

Your opinion is welcome here. When someone asks you a question, it is common courtesy to respond by answering that question, not getting on your high horse and letting us know how many years you've taught.

So, if you want to have a conversation, at least with me - do so. But I won't stand here and have smoke blown up my behind just because you think you have a few years and a couple of degrees on me.

So, with that understanding - with what facts can you show us that Win 7 isn't all that great?

 

The main fault with all Windows is that it is GUI Oriented if I am not wrong Unlike UNIX it is designed around graphics display.
Meaning developers make it a priority to display graphics rather then computing operations.
What is worse is they keep adding unnecessary services messily rather than modularize it, making it a blob of mess that run everything slowing it down.

But they are trying to move away from that with the MinWin design.

 

I recently upgraded to Win7 for $30 which was a steal. I'm running 64-bit pro version too.

So far i'm liking it alot and I think the taskbar was something that seriously needed an overhaul. It looks like vista, but runs much faster which is a good thing.

One of my gripes with previous Windows was that when you have many programs open, the taskbar would become unresponsive. Maximize/Minimize would not work through the taskbar, which was a constant problem.

I haven't ran into that problem yet with Win7. I still prefer Apples dock and mixed with expose because I found myself working faster even though I'm a native of the windows machine.

 

MrX8503,

You may want to try RocketDock. Works great on Win 7 x64 for me.

Only 'trick' you have to do is give the RocketDock folder full permissions in the security right click tab to be able to save the 'ini' file of your settings.

See:
http://rocketdock.com/

Cheers!

 

Okay, fair enough, you want my answers, but I have an issue with you and some others calling me an Apple fanboy when my first post didn't say anything PRO Apple. In fact most of my posts aren't saying much in favor of Apple's OS. I stated a fact and it was that UNIX is at the heart of Mac OS X. Someone else stated that they felt Windows 7 was better than Snow Leopard, but nobody's questioning him. However he was asked sarcastically in my behalf, or to shut me up. Wonder why others don't question him? Is it because this is a Windows forum and he won't get any argument from anyone in that respect? Regardless, if you feel that my opinions about Windows 7 require an explanation, so does that other poster AppleUSR.

I haven't stated any facts about Windows 7 other than the fact that I feel that it was overrated, overhyped and I don't feel it's as great as all the kool-aid sippers here, and that's a fact. Amazing, someone says they don't care much for Windows 7 and he's committed a crime if he doesn't tell you why? Along with that, he's called an Apple fanboy for what reason I will never know, also I don't appreciate the insults, I have kept this discussion free from insults on my part, yet a certain forum member, can't seem restrain himself from making cheap comments.

Again, I've been using Windows for a decent amount of time and have had plenty of experience with it to know that W7 is hardly even evolutionary, it's just not much different, IMO. There's your answer. And also, please refrain from the unnecessary comments yourself, I have not posted countless times about my education, my profession or my age. I mentioned it once. You're just getting annoyed and you can't keep this on level ground, henceforth your unnecessary comments.

 

Mac OS X is technically UNIX since they paid their rent.
But Code Source is BSD Derived.
Anyway UNIX is more about being POSIX Compliant then anything else.
If you have a Single Core CULV Processor running you will feel the difference between Vista and Win7 and that is good enough for most.

Yea maybe sudo is not a good comparison.
It is su

 

Okay, where, in the drivel you've posted above, are any facts to be found?

First, I never called you an Apple fanboy. Who cares who else responded to what other post by someone new. I never said you posted countless times about your education or age.

Concentrate!

Concentrate on me and you, adults, trying to exchange an idea.

Nobody else cares that nobody challenged the poster that said Win 7 is better than OS/X. Get over it.

I ask you again, just because Windows 7 is 'not much different', does that mean that Vista was great too?

When I started using Vista x64 three years ago, I knew it was great. Windows 7 is better, not in a Wow! sense, but exactly in an evolutionary sense. Contrary to what you're trying to blow in my behind up above.

Are we going to get a real answer from you?

Cheers!

 

There is no need to question him. The numbers speak for themselves. There are more Windows 7 users now than all Mac users combined. The market has spoken. We want Microsoft!

You expect people to allow other to make an opinion and expecting people not to question why or ask you to back it up?? Yet earlier you just asked us to question the opinion of of Win7 > Snow Leopard??

You are right! The superbar, UAC controls, Libraries, and Homegroup features aren't much different from the last version. I question how open was your mind during your test run.

Might I again add personal computer has never benefited more than when Microsoft was peddling its monopolistic ways? Plus Office users have never benefited more than when Office developers were allegedly being fed secrets from the OS developers.

:Salute and clicks heels:

 

I love windows 7 just as much as I loved vista! Couldn't be happier.

 

I'm pretty sure it wasn't a driver issue. If it was, the BSOD would have occurred much earlier. I haven't modified any part of my machine or OS in a long time.

 

Have Google?

http://social.answers.microsoft.com...e/thread/3979a786-9201-4187-a75b-6ef191416e77

 

Umm, that code is nothing like mine.

And I got mine during the start up animation.

 

Exactly drivers are loaded at start up.
Maybe you can check event viewer see if anything caused it.
AFAIK when you run certain programs it sometimes forces you to load program libraries at startup that can crash your system.

 

Let's keep this on the topic of W7 people. I have deleted a gazillion posts already. And let's stop with the insults also.

 

A gazillion post's deleted already, what a life you must have.......

Back to topic though, as I've stated I may not be in love with Windows 7 but I am definately enfactuated. This definately blows Vista out of the water performance and resource wise along with giving me back as least the XP SP2 feeling of stability........

 

Well, by now, and after numerous attempts by myself and others, we know that the posts from this person are entirely fact-free.

I think this is true: Vista has, to some degree, received an unfairly bad reputation, but it was a decent operating system. Plenty to criticize, of course, but that is true for any similar product, and products of similar complexity in general. All in all, Vista did represent an improvement over XP, and so does Win7 over Vista. Plenty to criticize, still, but a decent OS nevertheless. But, if you want to be critical, we could start by asking why Win7 still doesn't have a modern, vector-based desktop graphics subsystem, the kind of system that, yes, Mac OS has had for years? Where is WinFS, etc.? These are the kinds of things, by the way, that a rational and objective critic could have mentioned if he was the poster you were replying to...

Don't hold your breath.

 

I am sad to see posts deleted. I respect your decision and wisdom to do so, but I just think that with posts gone, and not being able to follow the conversation as it evolved; nobody learns (or is able to) from it.

I don't mind if any of my posts were deleted, but surfasb made some very good points about why MS and Apple were companies to be admired, because of the way they were run. I do think that those posts were on topic of 'I love Win 7'; you can't love a product if you don't admire the company, right?

Not arguing at all, just wishing to point out that deleted posts may have been useful to this conversation/thread.

Sorry if this post is out of line; I'll try to behave better in the future.

Cheers!

 

This times a million. I always liked XP, I liked Vista from pretty much the start (took a little warming up, had some extremely bad Beta experiences), and I've loved 7 from the start.

But now, I drag my feet having to work on XP computers, 7 is just so easy to work with, it really spoils you.

 

Pirx,

I agree with your points about Vista and Win 7. Nothing is perfect and when the next thing comes out, it will seem even 'more' perfect than what we have now.

Too bad HLdan couldn't offer a conversation we could sink our teeth into.

This forum is about sharing information, not guarding it with insults and innuendo's. Or worse, espousing opinions for facts. I expected more from an educator.

I've always stated that I'm happiest when I'm 'wrong', because I've learned something then. I could still be wrong, but without any proof/facts - what logical reason is there for me to change my current way of thinking?

I hope ego's can be put aside and Admin's can be a little more patient with the delete button - I was hoping to come here today and see a different, more cooperative tone from HLdan.

I still hope that happens.

 

Windows 7 is really amazing.. I hated Vista so much that I immediately downgraded to XP after I got a laptop that came with it installed. Since my school provides Windows 7 (thank god..), Windows 7 has really impressed me.

 

I, too, love Windows 7.

 

Blame the bloatware that manufactors fill it with.

 

I used Windows 7 built in system image utility and it works pretty good. I restored my computer last night using it.

 

For those of you who reinstall windows a lot, you can create a reserve partition that contains the Setup disk.

http://www.sevenforums.com/installa...dia-less-recovery-installation-partition.html

 

I got all excited when I saw the link you posted surfasb, but after reading it and thinking about it for a little while, I am sticking to my bootable USB Win 7 key.

Cheers!

 

It was obviously easier to do this under XP. I could never figure it out on Vista.... It took me about three years and finally I've found out how!!!!

Edit:

Awwww, lame. they deleted all my so eloquently written posts. This week in unnecessary censorship....

 

Just have to add another reason why I love Win 7:

The slideshow gadget 'zooms' bigger so you have a better slideshow of your images than Vista can show or XP did (with DeskTop Sidebar). This is awesome (I'm a photographer ).

Also, I don't want this thread to die!

Cheers!

 

Yes. Loving Win 7 pro 64 bit all the way!

 

W7 > ALL.

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