IE 10! M$ finally did something good.

I will forget that to be able to post on this site I had to use "compatibility" mode.

The one and only thing I am talking about is Memory usage. IE has always been a memory hog. If I used like I am now my RAM usage would go from the 2GB range up to 4GB range. I don't now if it is a greedy pig or something like memory leakage issue. I do have 10GB so was never a performance issue. With IE 10 and just observing now. It looks like I am not going above 26XXKB. What is even more amazing is it fluctuates from say 24XXKB to 26XXKB. So it looks like it finally knows how to let go of some of this RAM it grabs. That is a 1st for M$.

I am so pleased. This might make 4GB for all those Ultrabook users doable.

This is all new so not fully vetted but looks so good I had to share.

I see so much talked about from people about how much RAM you need. While not in all cases but many I even dare say most if IE is going to grab 2GB extra that makes things skewed.

If you have not installed IE10 yet. Open up your IE open 5 or 6 tabs surf for 30 minutes and check you RAM usage. Then if/when you install IE 10 do the same. I think the difference will be more pronounced for those of us with 8GB+ vs the 4GB crowd.

 

IE10 is very good. I like it a lot.

IE10 is not the only good thing Microsoft does.

Using a $ instead of an S is so very, very 1990s Yes, Microsoft is a for-profit company. So is every other competitor. So what?

 

I am liking IE 10 too! I used to use other browsers and still pretty much use Chrome, but I like and will use IE now since the last big update that forced it on us. Very glad it's not a resource hog anymore though....

 

Well, I don't know. Some things seem to have improved slightly, but all in all, I don't see much of a difference, but then all of my machines have plenty of memory. There seem to be a few downsides as well: Other than those inane Metro-ified scrollbars (once again violating Microsoft's own UI guidelines, but who's counting anymore, right...), I seem to encounter more websites that don't display properly in IE10 (those mostly use some fancy Flash stuff), so I am forced to use Chrome for those. There's also the occasional crash on one website I need to visit. The crashing module is part of my graphics driver suite (NVidia Quadro card), so this may or may not be IE10's fault, but it's annoying nevertheless. I just updated the driver, so I'll have to see if that fixes the issue.

 

IE always has and always will be the worst browser ever made no matter the version. if chrome displays 9.9/10 pages correctly, IE displays ~half. i think i'd rather use safari for windows. :hi2:

 

While I don't agree with your comment on the general quality of IE, I am leaning more and more towards Chrome. Every time I have trouble with a website in IE, I switch to Chrome and I can be certain it'll display and work just fine. At least Chrome does not force me to use some out-of-place crummy hand-made widgets that are specific only to the browser...

Seriously, I've been getting more comfortable with Chrome even before IE10 became available, and being forced to see that butt-ugly Metro crap on my pretty Win7 desktop may just be the final straw here...

 

Really? I still occasionally run into sites, usually in conservative low-tech industries like banking and real estate, that remain IE-only and actively block other browsers.

 

Is there an effective ad blocker for IE 10 though?

 

Does anyone want to comment on the RAM usage issue? Do you agree or disagree? Did you not even ever notice how much RAM IE took? I mean I think all discussion of IE10 is great but with all the RAM talk on this site. I need this much I need that much, I don't have enough, 4GB will never work, and on and on and on............. No comment huh? It takes 2GB less of my RAM?

I agree it is not just RAM but really no comment from even one poster. Next time I read posts from members and RAM usage I must have to consider w/a grain of salt.

 

my law firm is 80% real estate practice so i'm pretty familiar with low-tech banking and real estate industry websites. most of them let me in using chrome no problem, if we're even talking about the same kind of sites that is.

all browsers have naturally become increasingly memory hungry due to tabbed browsing. my chrome synced with what little data google stores in the cloud for for me--the browser alone consumes 175MB of memory. each tab takes up between 15-30MB, ~50MB per script extension (e.g. flash, java). so watch out for those youtube tabs! five of those and i've already consumed an eighth of the system memory on a 4GB machine. now take into account 25 NBR tabs and i got a GB of system memory going in chrome alone.

 

Unless you had a ton of tabs, I don't see how IE could have been taking up 2 GB. Maybe IE9 changes it's RAM usage accordingly with the amount of you have installed, but I doubt it. On a 4 GB RAM system, IE9 was taking about 580 MB with 10 tabs. Definitely not light, but not exactly what I'd call a memory hog either.

 

Alright to put it in perspective and this is something I have been aware of for a long time so not just my current system specific.

I already said in first post I believe that on a 4GB system likely people have not noticed. To now explain to you which I think you will understand/agree. Up to a certain point Windows seems to want to keep half the RAM free or use half the RAM. Whatever you call it, it is what it is. So your 4GB IE is trumped by the OS, ergo RAM usage stays around 2GB/2.5GB. Funny how you said you doubt IE9 scales up RAM usage. I also doubt and if you read what I just said it is not IE9 "scaling" up it is the OS "scaling" down restricting or whatever. If that seems to be of no distinction to you then so be it, trust me it is of distinction.

All that said I say 4GB is not a good example and I think I have explained why enough above. I excluded 4GB and then that is your example. I know my RAM usage I even looked up apps taking RAM. I turned off IE and in general went from pushing 5GB back down to 2.5GB. I am not going to recreate or do an experiment. It is what it is and as I said the next time I hear you guys talk about how much RAM you need. I will just contemplate in my "Fortress of Solitude".

Really no one else ever noticed? Does anyone else monitor RAM? Oh well.

 

who's ergo? any relation to tijo?

 

I've never understood the need for 25+ browser tabs to be open at once, so no, I've never noticed which browser uses more memory per tab. For casual browsing, I have 1-5 browser tabs open, and when doing legal research, I rarely have more than ten tabs open.

But if IE10 is particularly economical with memory, that'll be good news for Windows 8 Atom tablets (Thinkpad Tablet 2, HP ElitePad, etc), since they all have only 2 gb memory.

 

then you've never had five different browsing sessions or three separate research sessions just stack up on you. it's funny to backtrack through the hours of my life when closing groups of tabs, some that i never even ended up reading. there's not enough time in the day to read everything i (ctrl +) click.

 

Just for the record I am not sure if I have ever had more than ten tabs open, ever.

I really have noticed better RAM usage, and I think very good thing.

 

Honestly i think there's something wrong with your test. 26xx kb seems ridiculously small and impossible. Just opening google.com in IE 10 takes about 30mb of ram on my computer.

Here you have some independent tests:
Memory Efficiency : Web Browser Grand Prix: Chrome 25, Firefox 19, And IE10

 

LOL, just in browsing NBR alone I have 20-30 tabs open, and another window or two with multiple tabs for researching other things.

 

Why in the world would I monitor my RAM usage? If I don't run out of RAM, and see performance issues with the system starting to swap to the page file, why would I care? It is one of the fundamental jobs of the OS to manage its RAM, and Windows 7 does just fine in that regard. In particular, RAM is there to be used, so if the OS and/or any programs find ways to use as much as possible of it, then all the better. RAM sitting around empty is completely useless.

I see about 56MB used with just Google.com open, but I may have more plugins than you do. Those tests are interesting, too: No significant difference between IE9 and IE10 (which had been my feeling), and Chrome doing a lot better. Actually, according to those tests, IE10 uses a bit more memory than IE9...

 

What kind of research are you doing? What does NBR do that you need 20 NBR tabs open? How do you manage the tabs being so tiny that they are just an icon, and all of the NBR icon tabs are the same?

Don’t Open More than 10 Browser Tabs To Work Efficiently | TechDeer



This thin blue line is 21 Chrome tabs on a 2560 wide display. 20 of them are loaded on NBR. My questions here are:

1 - How do you mentally lock what all of these tabs are, when most of them say "Laptop.."? (they are all different links) This assumes 2560 pixels across. On a laptop, these would *all* be just an icon.
2 - How do you interact with a (assumedly) full width browser? This is horrifically inefficient on most sites, since they don't stretch that far, leaving giant swaths of empty space on the sides. Ones that would respect that space would be awful to read on a 27" monitor with having to turn one's head. Even a 17" laptop screen would put unnecessary strain on the eyes.
3 - What does information on tab 6 have to do with information on tabs 16, 11, 9, and 20? Is this "I'm seriously researching every tab simultaneously" or "well I'm only really using 4 tabs, I just forgot to close the rest lol." Forgetting or neglecting to close tabs just shows user process issues that browser makers are under no obligation to code against. They don't build houses assuming every person hoards refrigerators.

I'd really like to see one of these "I have 20 NBR tabs open" research sessions.

 

Well, that was interesting, with two different systems and IE9, one with 32GB of RAM (good thing I kept that stock Dell drive intact I guess) and a T420 with 4 GB of RAM and IE9. Both with the same tabs respectively yielded 730 MB in use and 631 MB in use. IE9 on the Dell install wasn't exactly up to date though and I didn't check for differences in options, but still even with 8 time the RAM, the usage for IE9 is rather similar. I could test the same web pages with IE10 under Windows 7 and Windows 8 on the system with 32 GB if anyone is interested.

 

I didn't notice much different in change but I do know that it won't let me read my work email by remote login from IE10 though....I haven't tried to run it in compatiblity mode it but will try again to see what is going on.

 

A simple tracking protection list works very well for me.

 

Can you provide examples?

 

can anybody show me any website that blocks any browser? not like they don't exist but...

 

UCLA BruinCard billing is one. Chrome, Opera are blocked.

 

Myspace blocked IE at the time of its reboot, with a catty page that told people to download a "modern" browser, listing Chrome, Firefox, and Safari as examples of modern browsers. I LOLed at the idea that Safari for Windows is better than IE10. I also LOLed at "the new Myspace," but that's another thread entirely.

Westlaw (a subscription-based legal research website) doesn't actively block any browser, but it doesn't work right (particularly printing) with anything besides IE.

 

blocked or doesn't run/display correctly? if blocked, for what reason?

i suppose myspace is an example, but chrome just has issues with a lot of java scripts (including westlaw's). westlaw next works fine though.

Spoiler

 

Yeah, it's the traditional Westlaw interface that chokes with printing. (I prefer traditional Westlaw's interface to Westlaw Next). Firefox replaces special characters with other ones (question marks instead of quotation marks, if I recall correctly) and Chrome just makes text really tiny for some reason.

 

It's not hard. I just right click the threads I want to read and "open in new tab" then just drive through them one at a time. I do this for NBR and a few other sites. And if I'm actually doing REAL work I have a few browser windows open with various numbers of tabs in each window. It's no different than mutitasking with multiple programs. You should see my desktop at work on 1366x768 screen, with four or five excel sessions, a dozen IE sessions (we're forced to use IE) since we use IE as our interface for most apps, powerpoint, Office, etc. Still using XP there too I crash the system far too often.

And they aren't just icons, the tabs scroll. I can fit 15-16 visible on a 1080p screen.

 

I think it's not necessary and it turned out that IE10 isn't so great after all It's better than IE9, but still IE

 

Entirely blocked. As for a good reason, well, you'll just have to ask the UCLA sysadmins.