IE8 v/s Firefox3

As simple as that....both are in beta/RC states... and both have great expectations.

Lets see which is better according to NBR members

 

Downloading IE8 now for a comparison but FF3 is miles ahead of IE7

 

my brother is using IE8...and i am using FF3.
So we gotta cross-check

 

Hmm IE8 seems to be much slower than FF3

 

I have them both. FF3 eats IE8 alive.

 

Um, FF3 is the only one that's in a usable state. IE8 is only available in an early beta, intended for developers to test their sites. It's not intended for normal use, and is nowhere near ready for normal use.

FF3 is days away from a final release.

So of course FF3 is better.

 

Opera for the win ! =D

 

FF3 is more stable ATM

IE8 is pretty much useless :S

 

Lock this thread and open it when IE8 gets a stable version.

 

2nd Wishmaker. Lock the thread!

this is in no way a fair poll, nor a fair comparison (as Jalf has clearly stated above)

cheers ...

 

IE8 FTW! Hated the firefox interface and the need to install stupid plugins! IE8 has tabs and just works! kthxbye

 

Firefox always. I haven't used IE years. Except at work, which I hate sooo much

 

Though I'm a Firefox fan, I use IE occassionally..

 

Microsoft needs to wake up and realize that all they need to do is tightly integrate IE into the OS and their software in features in functionality.

On topic though, I wish Firefox had the Aero toolbars, like IE. It's the one and only thing I like about IE over Firefox.

 

FFxx will always be faster, until MS separate IExx from the OS.

 

.... Contradictory comments...

 

IF they do that i ll simple uninstall IE.

thats why they integrated it...


coz they know people will try uninstalling the junk.

 

Firefox 3 wins...feet in the air.

 

@Ayle: Not really, all what I'm saying is that if MS would change the IE platform so it is not so dependant of windows, it would probably be faster than FFxx, where do you see the contradiction?

 

Between both your post and Mr. Wonderful's.

 

u r sure about this? IE8 is still VERY buggy as it stands at the moment, and i m not talking with hot air here.

maybe u want to come back with this "ftw" at a later time?

cheers ...

 

At the moment, FF3>IE8 but IE8 is a long way from being finished. That said, I think FF3 will be better than IE8 even when IE8 is done, but we'll see what happens.

 

Attached is the Acid3 test (new version of the W3 Browser Standards Compliance test) rendered in IE8 and FF3. IE is the first screenshot, FF3 is the second. For completeness, I've also included Opera 9.5 Beta (3rd SS) and Safari 3.1.1 (last SS). As you can see, IE puts out an absolutely pitiful showing compared to any other browser.

/thread, IMO.

Edit: In all fairness, IE8 does finally render the Acid 2 test correctly, something every other browser has been able to do for years.

 

This is one heck of a useless poll comparing two beta (not even same betas) products.

 

It's not IE8 and FF3. IE 8 is in beta 1 and FF3 is in RC2. So this is not worth comparing.

 

Technically speaking, every browser I used in that test is in a beta stage, but you are correct that FF, Opera, and Safari are much further along in their development cycles. However, given Microsoft's track record with standards compliance, I have little faith that a future beta of IE8 will fix this gigantic gap.

For giggles, here's the same test rendered in the latest final releases of FF2 and IE7. Microsoft has a lot of ground to make up.

 

Is FF3 officially out yet?

 

No, it isn't.

 

It serves a purpose for FF zealots who can't stand to see MS build a great browser....

They complain about IE not following standards, and they complain when IE does. How much sense does that make?

IE 8 is in beta 1 or something... lol... FF is in RC 2.

As a web developer (of many hats) I can't wait for IE 8 to be released.

I'm still wondering why mozilla did not fix the terrible text rendering issues in FF 3! IE 8 follows all IE browsers before it and provides smooth and professional text rendering. Maybe that is the key, only professionals will use IE 8....

 

FF isn't embedded into the system like IE so you can expect crappy fonts if you don't set aside 30 seconds to set it up. "Professionals" don't have 30 to waste on setting up Firefox for better fonts. Instead, "professionals" use IE and minutes of their time to post about how crappy Firefox fonts are.

 

I beg your pardon but what in the Sam Hill are you talking about? Again, refer to attached. Perhaps I'm blind but I can't see a lick of difference in the fonts. Are you perchance thinking of Safari (3rd SS), which does indeed render fonts incorrectly? That's totally unrelated to Firefox, despite the core engines being similar.

 

Just wondering, does FF3 have a x64 version?

 

interesting statement, giving the fact that MOZ devs and IE devs have been working very close lately and exchanging know-hows to make good products for browser-users.

i personally have not heard one single web dev complaining about the development of IE8. Actually it is ALL browsers manu (IE8, FF, O, S...) that are complaining about web site devs that are not jumping to fix their pre-IE8 codes.

u missed the boat here. the OP wanted to stir something out of hot air (IE8 and FF3 not yet available). But if u insist on the beta war, please join this
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=168731
and have fun at it.

everyone does, because at least then, we all know which lousy websites have been coded & developed

no need for me to add to this, right?

cheers ...

 

yep, ff traditionally always supports 64bits OS

cheers ...

 

Well we all know both are in Beta or RC stages...so pls relax a little.

We are just discussing New features and New bugs in them

Currently..i am without my laptop so cant make much comments except that

the most ironic thing about FF3 is that Google Toolbar is not available for it..knowing that Google and Mozilla work so closely and are in a camaraderie.

 

Excuse me, who's the zealot in this discussion?

Who's complaining about IE following standards?

But speaking of standards, do you know if IE8 will finally support XHTML? It's supposed to be mostly standards-compliant, but I haven't heard a single word about *this* standard. After all, it's only 9 years old, so it might be a bit naive to expect MS to implement it already.
But I'm still hoping.

Don't suppose you've heard anything about this?

Yes, you are aware that most of us have already pointed this out, right?

Because professionals care more about how their text is rendered, than whether the browser behaves correctly?
Yeah right. I'm glad the professionals I know are more professional than that.

 

How will FF 3 compare to IE 7 without considering the add-ons in FF3?. The primary objective is "browsing" and IE 7 does that fine. It's a norm for people who tend to boast about a new product (possibly open source) being always better than a conventional / existing product.

 

Uh...OK, I'll go ahead and contest your claim that IE7 is "fine for browsing." Even setting aside the arguments about security - which are certainly relevant considering the expected level of computer understanding from someone who uses IE7 because it's what comes with the computer - IE7 fails to display a lot of websites correctly. For instance, those menu bars up there? The ones that say "HOME," "Notebook Database," etc.? Yeah, those are supposed to highlight when you roll over them with your mouse. If you use IE7 exclusively, you wouldn't know that though. The search bar over at ArsTechnica? It isn't supposed to be decorative, though you can't click anything on it in IE. Also, this should probably look like a smiley face, not a gigantic red mass of death with random scrollbars in it.

 

Could you post pictures comparing the above renderings please?
Also the top most menu bar in NBR seems to be highlighting with IE7.

 

just installing IE8 was soo stressful speaks for itself ..FF3 all the way.

i TOTALLY agree... besides my themes thats the only add on I'm waiting for.

 

The topmost menu bar does highlight in IE7; the one I mentioned however does not. Attached are two screenshots; since Printscreen doesn't grab the cursor, I placed a red dot where the cursor was. As you can see, no highligh-on-rollover in IE7.

Also, the acid 2 results are attached. IE7 screws this up pretty royally, and since CSS2 is a commonly accepted standard employed on millions of web sites, certainly you can see why that's a bad thing? Or perhaps you can't, though a failure to understand CSS certainly undermines your claim of being a "professional" web developer.

Edit: And upon reviewing these screenshots, I still don't see any evidence to support your claim that FF renders fonts incorrectly, or differently at all for that matter.

Also,

According to this IE8 preview by ArsTechnica, no it does not.

 

I'll just say this:

IE7 does everything I ask it to; rather, it has so far. With that, I haven't seen a reason to switch exclusively to FF.

I'm sure IE8 will be no different. But that's not to say that FF isn't a great browser, because it is.

 

true statement for ANY browsers

bull's eye again - for any browsers.

(my 2 u.s. cents) - forums (like nbr) r for problems solving, product devs head-hitting (when they slack off, i m one of those ) and échangement of good information ... ain't no place for flame wars

cheers ...