Intel Backstabs Microsoft by Abandoning Vista

Even Intel wont use vista

 

oh man...i am an AMD user

 

Don't know what to make of this. I've never before read anything like this about Intel (that doesn't mean much; I may have just missed the stories), but I've heard all sorts of tales of MS and its underhanded dealings. Hard to feel any sympathy in any case.

I don't care for Vista either, but that's personal taste. Many board members here like it a lot.

@nocturnal: your AMD machine didn't ship with Vista? Mine did (two eMachines desktops). Erased the drives immediately. Installed XP in one machine; the other is strictly Linux.

 

The Vista installed base must be something like 100 million by now, so 80,000 potential lost licenses doesn't seem like that big of a deal. I doubt MS is losing too much sleep over it.

 

Its not the profit that matters, its about buisness relations that matter. Take a buisness administration course and you'll see this is actually quite a big matter in terms of the relationship between the two companies.

 

Its difficult to deny that in the corporate market, Vista was an epic failure.

 

There are three separate and distinct topics in the alleged "News" article:

1. The headline. Talk about inaccurate and sensationalist reporting.
2. The allusion to the Microsoft-Intel "deal" for Vista-ready certification
3. The common business practice to weight the cost/benefit of upgrading internal systems.

For the record, many companies alernate upgrades of desktop OSs. It is quite expensive to upgrade them, and the hardware obsoletes and/or fails on a fairly predictable timeframe, so many companies simply plan to go to new hardware + software on 3-5 year cycles. If Intel is on XP for the desktops/notebooks right now, they may well skip Vista and go with all new next go 'round.

You can be quite sure that the employees do not have the latest hardware, probably not even the generation before that. Shoemaker's children.

 

all the intel employees will still be going home to there vista machines, at night when they finish work, as it is getting harder to find an machine with xp on it!

intel just does not see a reason to upgrade to vista at the moment, 80.000 machines will cost a lot of money to upgrade.

vista is great but i see very little reason for any business to upgrade when xp works fine, it would be just throwing money away.

 

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2002/01/10/intel-chooses-w2k-over-winxp
http://www.crn.com/it-channel/18829228
http://www.infoworld.com/articles/tc/xml/01/10/29/011029tcwinxp.html

Its getting repetitive isnt it! replace XP with Vista & vice versa and you have a new report for the new version of Windows. A new suggestion for journalists might as well prepare a template for Windows 7 and be prepared to publish it on launch. Makes life a lot more easier.

 

Vista is pretty, but really, it offers little to corporate users. While I can see it having a place on a new purchased PC of sufficient power, I can't see a company rolling out some kind of in-place upgrade path for it. It's too much hassle for nothing.

 

Unless they are upgrading the hardware or running Windows/2000, ....

 

Ive heard it all!

Vista is one of the worst OS ive heard from some people and some of my friends say its the biggest blow of money they've spent on Vista.

But Im fine,Ive used Vista from the start and Ive probobly had 2 major problems that cost around 100 euro to repair both,and that was at the very start of Vista may I say,but now?Ive never had a problem,not 1 major problem,not 1 minor problem,I love Vista and Im hoping more people like myself will stand up for Vista,its still new and needs time,it will be up there with XP in around a year.

 

This is really a non-issue. Why would you needlessly upgrade 80,000 machines if the previous OS filling the purpose? I use XP at work, but all the new machines that come in are Vista. Vista wouldn't work on my computer anyhow, it is about seven years old!
At school though, at least in the business college they have moved or are moving everything to Vista/Office 2007.

 

You can't abandon something you've never used. Intel is just choosing to skip this windows release.

 

IMO Vista is just a MS scam to part thier home users with from thier hard earned money.... i think MS knew the resistance they would encounter from businesses... and expected it from the start...

EPIC FAIL... for sure.... even among casual users.... MS is even trying to force OEMs to ship ONLY VISTA on new PCs....

what ever happened to the idea that "the conusmer is always right"

 

Having worked with many customers, this phrase needs to die. Consumers in general are idiots.

 

too true.... those ID10Ts pay me!

 

LOL....Lots of money?

Anyway...I personally like Vista, but hate the way MS is pushing vendors to sell Vista only

 

Sounds like Intel is starting down the path to fulfillment of my "prophecy" that the botched release of _Vista was, essentially, the death knell of MS as an operating system developer - anyone want to take odds on whether Intel is just going to "sit out" until Win7, or whether they'll be seduced by some really come-hither variant of linux?

 

Who really cares? Sure, it's bad PR, but... plenty of companies are skipping Vista for all sorts of reasons, good and bad, and this is just one of them.

Maybe they have internal apps which aren't Vista-compatible. Maybe they have a lot of older PCs without enough RAM and disk space. Or maybe they're just worried that their employees will find things to complain about to back up all the bad things they heard about Vista.

Who knows... Who cares? MS gets paid the same whether Intel uses XP or Vista.

 

Absolutely!

 

Have you ever worked in a corporate IT department? I was a network engineer in a 4000 seat ennvironment in the days before and after the initial XP release, and I will tell you that 18 months after XP's release (the same place Vista is now) there were maybe 10 machines out of those 4000 running XP...every one of them belonging to an IT staffer who was using it for testing. We probably had more Win 95 or Windows NT 4.0 than 2000 even at that time. Was XP an epic failure? Was 2000?

Corporations with 1000's of seats don't upgrade OS's for no reason, even if the OS in question is the proverbial Cat's Meow. They plod slowly and at their own pace...a pace that has more to do with budgets and depreciation schedules than the relative merits of some operating system.

Business is slow to adopt Microsoft's new OS. What a shock.

 

Most of the time they won't upgrade unless they get new machines. I know when I graduated high school in 2005 my school was still mostly on Windows 98SE unless it was one of the new Dell machines that were being upgraded in patches. Hell in the library there were a few Mac Performas that I started learning how to type on in 1995.

 

Yes, that's right. And even then they might not. When we got new machines shipped with XP by default, the workstation techs just blew 95/NT4/2000 images on them. I don't think XP saw a production box there until 2004.

 

ROFL..that's a healthy occupation, then! LOL...Thanks..

Nice motivational picture also!

 

All is fair in war and business.

 

This might have been something turned around to be worse than it is. How many big companies do you think switched to XP within two years of its release. Most larger companies around here didn't start switching from 2000 to XP until maybe 2-3 years ago, giving XP 3-4 years to mature and stabilize. I'm tired of everyone complaining about Vista, its going through all the same problems XP went through upon its release. Which I believe the main problems with XP when it was first released and Vista when it was first released is that they were putting it on computers that shouldn't have had it to begin with.

 

I agree totally. Good post.

 

Is all a question of how the situation eroded. Did Intel cut a clear deal with MS, you enable us to sell these old machines and I'll buy your Vista, or it was assumed that it would work that way?

Intel has a long time relationship with MS, so I wouldn't surprise that we will hear soon that Intel has decided to move up to Vista, but which one, Vista Pro?

 

As much as everyone hates Vista, I have been using it for over a year with 0 issues. Guess I'm just lucky.

 

Microsoft doesn't care what OS Intel runs of theirs. The majority of larger clients like Intel are on perpetual assurance licenses allowing them access to newer Windows releases at will. Intel has paid for Vista and will move to it when they see fit.

The costs they don't want to incur yet are in hardware costs...