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    Is Windows 10 worth installing?

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by Ionising_Radiation, Nov 14, 2015.

  1. Ionising_Radiation

    Ionising_Radiation ?v = ve*ln(m0/m1)

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    I've currently got an external hard disk drive running it as a 'live' USB OS, but I want to know if installing Windows 10 is worth the hassle. I currently have to delete 7-8 GB of 'Windows Pre-installation files' every time I run a Disk Clean-up, and I also have to hide an increasing number of updates that are supposed to be for 'telemetry'.

    Is Windows 10 worth the benefits, i.e. DX12, 'Start menu', new user interface?
     
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    Spartan@HIDevolution Company Representative

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    No, I only use it because my laptop won't function 100% in Windows 7 due to the Samsung 950 Pro NVME SSDs that I have
     
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    TANWare Just This Side of Senile, I think. Super Moderator

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    It is up to the user. Some like, and some do not. You have to deal with some issues, privacy and updates, but if these are doable for you then upgrade away.
     
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    vulcan78 Notebook Deity

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    DX12 isn't out yet and thus far preliminary results (i.e. Ashes of Singularity) show the major gains going to AMD, whose architecture was built around DX12 in mind. It remains to be seen if Explicit Multi-Adapter support will remain when the first DX12 titles roll out (running a Fury X as primary and 980 Ti as secondary is faster than Fury X X-Fire and 980 Ti SLI).

    The other issue is, as we're seeing with many newer titles, developers are rushing the PC version of multi-platform titles and it usually results in poor porting, i.e. Batman: AK etc. This is a byproduct of time and budgetary constraints. Given this and the fact that Windows 10 is still only maybe 15-20% of gaming PC's out there, DX12 implementation, presenting a considerable cost (they can't even implement SLI!) may mean DX12 may die still-born. Dev's aren't going to implement something that will take great investment yet compel only a minority of a consumer-base to purchase their product, especially considering said minority ground (the 10-20% on Win10) will purchase it anyway in the end even if it's on DX11.

    I'm on 7, and I'm not moving to 10 anytime soon. The spying and forced updates aside, Windows 10 nearly completely breaks 3D Vision for all games. The supposed performance improvement's, aside from boot times, remain to be seen.

    I believe Windows 10 is going to be a huge flop in the end. They are going to have to address the spying and forced updates and DX12 is going to have to become a reality to compel the vast majority of us who refuse to move from 7 any time soon.

    One more thing, I'm actually kinda pissed that Micro$haft has decided to make DX12 a Win10 exclusive feature, they could have easily released it for Win7, I believe, personally speaking, that his decision has had the effect, combined with the spying and forced updates, of really upsetting the majority of us still on 7 that not only are we not compelled to upgrade solely for DX12, but we actually will stay with 7 based on principle.
     
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  5. James D

    James D Notebook Prophet

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    Answer is NO. Now your only hassle are updates and preinstallation files which you can fix by disabling autoupdates.

    After you install Windows 10 you will be faced with way more.
     
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    hatcher Notebook Consultant

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    The pedestrian answer is no, always has been 'no' since Windows 95....but everyone eventually migrates to the most current platform, sooner or later.
     
  7. James D

    James D Notebook Prophet

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    Well, if you want hot feelings then answer is yes :) Otherwise you want stable working laptop so answer is NO. Until 2Q 2016 at least.
     
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    hatcher Notebook Consultant

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    Is there a new build due in the 2Q of 16?
     
  9. James D

    James D Notebook Prophet

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    "Redstone" (the next major update) arrives in mid-2016.\

    With this Fall Update Win10 actually made a step out of RC while MS screamed about it like it's SP1.
     
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    I like the new MS vernacular,,,instead of SP1 and SP2 it's 'Threshold' and 'Redstone' very ominous!
     
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    By then Spysoft will be history, like Nokia, East Germany, Kodak etc
    ;) lol
     
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  13. Ionising_Radiation

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    Thanks for the replies, guys.

    Well, 'Redstone' actually comes from Minecraft.

    I think I'll hold out for at least 6+ months more; see if the new-fangled stuff in Windows 10 are actually worth all the upgrading and spying nonsense. In fact, I may even consider downgrading to Windows 7 (just feels so much more familiar). I also prefer the so-called 'skeuomorphic' UI of Windows Vista and 7 (Aero was truly one of the more beautiful things that MS has developed, and they took a sledgehammer to it in Windows 8+).

    I haven't upgraded my OS X drive from Mavericks either; I abhor the new Apple 'flat' UI. Everybody seems to go 'flat' - even Adobe (it auto-downloaded Reader DC on my computer, and it looks terrible and convoluted). What's wrong with detailed, shadowy, 3D icons? I mean, we all press towards ' hurr durr realistic 3D textures graphics and shadows' in games, but why does the industry go the polar opposite direction when it comes to UI? We humans are used to seeing in 3D, what makes designers think 'flat' makes more sense?
     
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    There are addon's for restoring Windows 7 like things to Windows 8.

    ClassicShell, 8GadgetPack, and Aero Peak and other transparency can be tweaked back.

    It's a tough call which OS to run, but whatever came native with your computer originally is usually a good choice.

    Windows 10 won't be worth moving to ever, if they don't take away the requirement in the EULA agreement to allow access to private files and allow MS to give them to anyone that asks.

    I can't see anyone agreeing to a EULA that takes away all rights to their privacy.

    Imagine if any other product required that as a condition of use. There is no way anyone would want such a product, let alone pay for such a product... I guess that's why they had to give it away for free.

    Here and now we have the opportunity to tell them we don't want this invasion of our daily lives by passing on installing Windows 10. We won't trade our personal privacy for a crappy OS - it wouldn't even be worth an amazing OS ;)

    Instead so many people are running into Windows 10 head first initially without a thought.

    Then they think they can fool MS by uninstalling updates, blocking sites, and setting options. It's so cute :)

    Is Windows 7/8 any safer?, unlikely. But, at least we didn't need to sign our names to an agreement that we ALLOW it to be done to ourselves.

    They asked, we should answer, no thank you.

    Windows 10 is crap, there is no reason to waste time with it until it is cooked, which is going to be a long time.

    Why give in so quickly?
     
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  15. Ionising_Radiation

    Ionising_Radiation ?v = ve*ln(m0/m1)

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    I hope you're joking. If not, I want to see that EULA. That means several countries ought to outright ban Windows 10 - including my own.
     
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    Microsoft Privacy Statement
    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/

    You can find discussions on this info many places on the internet, many youtube videos, many blogs, many forums. I am providing one example to help you search.

    Of course you can save / printout the EULA as you are installing Windows 10, and if you aren't in the US, maybe it is different, please let us know.

    Windows 10 violates your privacy by default, here's how you can protect yourself
    http://www.techrepublic.com/article...y-default-heres-how-you-can-protect-yourself/

    "Upon installation, Windows 10 defaults to some pretty serious privacy invasions. Here are some steps you can take to keep your personal data private.

    One of the biggest worries, though, is Microsoft's policy on disclosing or sharing your personal information. The following is an excerpt from the privacy policy:

    " We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to protect our customers or enforce the terms governing the use of the services." "

    This is the crux of the focus of the ridiculousness of the whole damn thing.

    Who in their right mind, after reading this, would agree to give their consent to access to everything you do on your computer, and then continue to install and use this knowing that your actions on your Personal Computer are being logged and sent to MS?

    In the MS online Privacy Statement they tell us that our consent is not needed to share your personal data.

    "We share your personal data with your consent or as necessary to complete any transaction or provide any service you have requested or authorized. We also share data with Microsoft-controlled affiliates and subsidiaries; with vendors working on our behalf; when required by law or to respond to legal process; to protect our customers; to protect lives; to maintain the security of our services; and to protect the rights or property of Microsoft."

    Here they give examples of the personal data they collect, including what we do on our computers:

    "Microsoft collects data to operate effectively and provide you the best experiences with our services. You provide some of this data directly, such as when you create a Microsoft account, submit a search query to Bing, speak a voice command to Cortana, upload a document to OneDrive, or contact us for support. We get some of it by recording how you interact with our services by, for example, using technologies like cookies, and receiving error reports or usage data from software running on your device. We also obtain data from third parties (including other companies)."

    And, here they say they aren't using the data they collect to target ad's, so why do they collect it?, and for who? They did say that they do collect it => " We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders)..."

    "Microsoft uses the data we collect to provide you the services we offer, which includes using data to improve and personalize your experiences. We also may use the data to communicate with you, for example, informing you about your account, security updates and product information. And we use data to help make the ads we show you more relevant to you. However, we do not use what you say in email, chat, video calls or voice mail, or your documents, photos or other personal files to target ads to you."

    Why do they collect personal communications of all types, and then say they don't use it to target ad's, which is why everyone thinks they are collecting it? Why are they collecting it? Who uses it? And, for what purpose?

    It goes on and on, check it out :)
     
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    James D Notebook Prophet

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    Because world is not a movie. You can't be a good developer and be a good designer. Most software developers decided they have good taste too... facepalm.
    The only exception is Microsoft. Their IT "specialists" are both awful programmers and awful designers.