Is it time to move on win10 or wait mighty 2020 end of the PCs?

Don't know exactly what happens 2020, but anyone is it time to move from win7?

My first computer or I should say our family's first computer was siemens dekstop and it had
windows 95 on it. It was good not that I remember anything about it, but that was the OS where everything started from me.

Next pc was mastergamingbadass cpu/gpu/ram... or something like that with xp on it. It fel really good not that I did anything useful back then with computer. Playing RS all day long.

Next step was vista, but it turned "bad" quite fast for me, didn't fell I was in home when using Vista, so went back to xp.

Then it was time to get very first laptop. HP Dv6 3050so. Never forget that moment, anyway had windows 7 on it and still it is in use and working just fine. Broken case and everything, but still it turns on and works as it should be.

Couple years, almost three years ago I bought my current laptop Asus N56D, which is most superior laptop that I ever seen. (haven't seen that so maybe that's the case) FullHD, backlit, decent cpu/gpu and sdd inside with upgraded rams. Only thing which I never actually undestood what happened was it came with windows 8, but some reason it didn't install updates so went straight away to 7.

Few weeks ago my uncle bought laptop and he gave it to me to put it up and running. OS was windows 10 and in first look it wasn't bad at all. But after few hours to setting things up and tweaking around it wasn't feel right and IN MY OPINION it fell far behind windows 7 because:

These are just my opinions and it might be I didn't pay too much attention when I operated the machine. Was quite tired back then.

1. Control panel seemed to be hidden very well, nor that I looked it that much, but couldn't find it straight away.
2. windows headers are "bad". Every application was box without clear header where header end and app starts.
3. Power plans were also "hidden" you need quite a many click until you get them.
4. It might be I was blind but I couldn't find "apply" button. for example when I tried to set external monitor display image only.
5. And couple other things

BUT there was also huge improvements that I liked.

Anyway those who have installed windows 10 and are using it can you tell me your experiences and do you recommend it or did you regret what you did.

PS. since there is windows store, it felt like I was using tablet but size of laptop. I don't know about you, but personally I think windows store is "dead" and there's nothing useful, might be wrong in this.

 

I ran W10 for about 2 weeks and went back to W7. There is a lot of things that M$ needs to fix before I try it again. The way I see it W10 has way too much control of my laptop. There is a lot of great threads on here about W10. My advice to anyone who wants to install W10 is read these threads first before you install it. W10 is not for everyone.

 

Windows 10 has only given me one problem since I put it back on the other day - it took about 30 seconds to become responsive after a wake from sleep today. Other than that, Microsoft seems to have addressed many of the issues that plagued the RTM release. Disabling all of the spying and such was a simple matter and it works great now.

 

Please read this:

Why I don't like Windows 10

 

As with every OS version, it took a bit of time to get used to W10, even coming from W8.1. But overall, I'd say it's a much more refined experience than W8.1 and W7. Sure, some things could be better, but when you're building an OS that will be used by so many people across so many different hardware configurations, you can't make everyone happy. Luckily, W10 still wasn't difficult to configure to my liking, and I'm running it on both my T440s and T500 that I use every day.

That said, there are problems on the T500 due to how old the hardware is (a Windows Vista-era machine!), and some driver incompatibilities are annoying. There is no on-the-fly graphics switching, and the audio driver doesn't want to play nice with the built-in speakers, but those are things I can live with.

 

The only thing that seriously irritates me about 10 is having two control panels... Such a bone headed move by Microsoft.

 

Thanks for great commentiities , big thank for phoenix guy, not only i got some opinions from another person I also traimed my englush skill. 5" phone vertical keyboard ftw. Anyway like I thought I should stick with seven + i have my tablet with lollipoppi and ps4 which gets more used hours nowadays than pc. I could even say I have dramaticly reduced the time that i spend operating pc. Only forvwork like it was mentioned. (joke dont go totalmadaggro if you play, watch youtube or do other things with pc). Anywhoo what I tried to probably say was waiting the day when google or even Sony does os for pc that can beat winduws. i have heard about linux but im not try hard. Like most of my posts in internet word after word where nobody can precisely say what I tried to say. Bed time 3 am.

 

For your consideration: http://arstechnica.com/information-...ers-given-18-months-to-upgrade-to-windows-10/

 

Another thought: I've used Windows 10 daily on one of my laptops for the past few months, and my desktop is still on Windows 7.

As a simple end-user, who likes the OS to be invisible and let me do my work, 7 and 10 act pretty much the same way in this regard (ie, *much* better than 8/8.1, especially regarding the Start screen nonsense). Ignoring the privacy-invasion increases in 10 compared to 7, the only noticeable difference between the two versions is that I think 10's file copy window is much more useful than 7's; I like how it graphs the transfer rate throughout the transfer. Otherwise, I don't notice any differences. If you play any games that take advantage of DirectX 12, then that's a point in 10's favor, but I don't have any personal experience in this.

Supposedly there are under-the-hood performance differences between 7 and 10, but during my time using this laptop with 7 and comparing it to the same hardware on 10, I couldn't perceive any of these differences.

So, aside from DirectX 12, I'd not bother installing Windows 10, even if you get the Pro version which gives you some more control over privacy. 7 is perfectly fine and will have security updates through 2020. After 2020, we'll see where Microsoft goes with Windows but my money is on me taking my 7 machine off the network and leaving the company for good for networked devices.

 

Love the 548 user responses

http://arstechnica.com/information-...o-upgrade-to-windows-10/?comments=1&start=520

" hairyfeet Wise, Aged Ars Veteran
reply 4 days ago

"klnn wrote:
ah so much FUD in here.

I loved win7 it was a fantastic os, and i skipped 8,8.1 entirely, but win10 is working great and i just bought a license for my upcoming VR pc. if you're so worried about microsoft "stealing your data" then edit your hostfile and block it ? i for one do not give a ****. and work is upgrading our 2k workstations to 10 within a month. yay for living in this decade i guess."

"Uhhh you DO know that Hostsfiles no longer work, yes? MSFT hardcoded the IP addresses for their spying. No IP lookup? No Hosts.

BTW you want to see how much crap they have running on the OS that you PAID for (and yes you DID pay for it, as it requires a valid Win 7/8/8.1 license, currently worth around $110 USD) and which you cannot even turn off unless you have Enterprise, an OS they won't even sell you? Here is it from the horse's mouth...

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt577208(v=vs.85).aspx?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396

Just look at that, its like 10 fricking pages of spyware! This is why I'm urging everyone I know to treat Win 10 as what it is, malware. I personally will never touch Windows 10, if MSFT hasn't changed their ways by the time my Win 7 and 8.1 systems reach EOL? I'll go to Linux or OSX, I'm not paying for the right to be spied on."

At the end of that MS link:

"Retention
Microsoft believes in and practices information minimization, so we only gather the info we need, and we only store it for as long as it’s needed to provide a service or for analysis. Much of the info about how Windows and apps are functioning is deleted within 30 days. Other info may be retained longer, particularly if there is a regulatory requirement to do so. Info is typically gathered at a fractional sampling rate, which for some client services, can be as low as 1%."

What information would be have a regulatory requirement for long term retention, other than User Identifiable Information?

 

Ars is nothing but a bunch of jaded whiners.

 

Jaded = ? to you?

Because Jaded means: "tired, bored, or lacking enthusiasm, typically after having had too much of something."

Those responses seem pretty energetic, enthusiastic, and fresh to me

You are liking the comforting warm sand around your neck, I know, so I won't disturb you.

 

2020's a long ways out yet. You'll probably have a new PC by then. No rush to install it by July, IMO.

That's not really a good definition of jaded (and yes, I see that you got it from Google). To be jaded is more like to become habitually negative about something due to having had repeated negative experiences with that thing in the past. For example, "After repeated promises of a raise with no actual pay adjustment, she had become jaded with her employer and no longer put much faith in her manager's promises."

If you prefer a dictionary definition, I think Urban Dictionary actually does better than the Merriam-Webster that Google uses for that word; MW's definition would be better suited for "burnt out". Here's Urban Dictionary's top definition for "jaded":

They key part that Urban Dictionary gets but Merriam-Webster does not is that to be jaded requires to have had a number of previous negative experiences.

 

You really are in an argumentative:

"given to expressing divergent or opposite views."

mood now aren't you

The definition for jaded I / Google gave is adequate. The meaning is the same, how they got jaded isn't important.

How about you stay out of it. Ok?

 

NBR would be a boring place if everyone had the same views; I would've stopped visiting years ago. I'd welcome seeing Ethrem's view of what jaded means, but I don't think other NBR members should be forbidden from stating what they think it means.

I'd thought there was simply more content interesting enough to comment on than there had been in awhile, but you are at least correct that I've been in more of a posting mood than I had been lately.

 

Sorry, I wasn't clear. Please let me try again.

We were having a personal moment between us, and you jumped in uninvited.

You should have noticed the word play, and that I used a convenient play on words between the definition and my response.

Playing grammer or dictionary nazi isn't a good place to start any involvement in a conversation, but when you do it to ruin the poetry of the moment, that is bad form.

Think about it again, and stop next time and do that first, please

Spoiler

Starts at about 1:20 - 2:00 Mr. Potato Head from "War Games"

 

No such thing as personal on the Internet, especially in a forum. PMs would be the closest thing on NBR .

 

It's also called "reading the room".

People in a forum are like a room full of people sharing conversational subjects.

At times we respond to everyone, at other times we direct the response to a person specifically.

Sometimes with words or phrases used to invoke a response particular to your shared knowledge. They make no sense or have no significance to anyone else, which should be a clue to stay out of it.

I was poking fun at @Etherm, and I am sure he will get it when he reads it - it was a fleeting unimportant comment - now it's triviality is lost in the surrounding mass of irrelevancy coming out the smoking crater left by @Apollo13 - see how that works?

The definition of Jaded wasn't the point, anyone that took a few seconds to think about the purpose of my post would have known that, or at least come away confused enough to not respond.

That's all I am saying, "read the room" - "read the post" and only reply if you have something constructive - not destructive - to say.

 

@hmscott, @Apollo13 got it head on, said it better than I could have said it myself actually. I used to be a party kid way back in the day and that was our definition of jaded. That is how I feel about Ars. That is why I don't read comments on Ars. For such an apocalyptic operating system, it sure does run better than 8 or 8.1 ever did and I like the start menu more than 7 once I removed all the Metro tiles. Maybe if you weren't so jaded yourself, you would throw it in a VM and give it a chance.

 

My complaints with Windows 10 have to do with the EULA, the rest of it is the typical MS bugginess mixed with the 3rd party bugginess for the first 6 months to a year after a new Windows release.

After the bugs get fixed, and Windows 10 gets stable, then the OS instability issue disappears, but the Trojan horse remains.

Windows 10 isn't worth the trouble for me until the bugs are fixed. If the spying continues, if the EULA doesn't change - or more likely becomes more explicit and restrictive, I won't personally have anything to do with it.

You can join MS in singing the sirens song, but I will continue to be immune to it's call.

There are too many good alternatives for me to care about Windows 10, and MS is opening up the game again for another, better, with no privacy trade-off's alternative(s) to step in.

That's a good thing