Is the Aero in Windows 7 still Stuttering? Or is it fixed now?

Is the Aero in Windows 7 still Stuttering? Or is it fixed now?

I had used the beta of the Windows 7 and when opening or closing windows, the Aero would stutter...

Here is an example of what i am talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TIjzgdvkI4

I have nVidia 9600 GS video card and the beta was lagging on my video card.

Vista Aero works perfect, I have vista now.

Let me know please on how to fix this issue?

Thanks.

 

I got it when I first installed it. But after several reboot it's gone and smooth.

I never saw it again until I do defragging and system scan and watching HD videos while do that, all together at once.

I am using a Raedon HD3650 video card and 4GB RAM.

 

Never got it, it's always been working smooth. If it lags there's an issue with your video card driver.

 

Aero works fine for me on an ancient Intel 3100 display chip as well as the newer 4500 chips. There are plenty of reports of it working well on even older 945 intel chips.

 

It's the Nvidia Powermizer issue. You can disable it using Nvgpu pro (NBR user Goodbytes provides this) program. I disabled the Window animation altogether, since I don't like the delay in animation when opening/ closing/ minimizing windows.

 

Aero works perfectly fine on intel GMA950 on my netbook.

It's actually just a feature in windows 7. Just go into the graphic properties and disable window animation. This is not a problem at all.

 

Thanks coolguy.

Check out http://www.nvgpupro.com, it allows you to tweak (among other things) Nvidia's power management system called PowerMizer. The tool requires no installation and is free. It supports laptop and desktop a like, with the ability to set powermizer to only be disabled when on you are plug-in, to not affect your battery life.

Please note that this software doesn't hack or modify your drivers, and doesn't install a driver. It just tweak features there, but not accessible via Nvidia Control Panel.

If you enjoy this software or found it helpful, try to donate something to support this software for future driver release support, video cards, and more features.

 

never had that problem, even in the beta

 

I didn't notice that till you showed it. I'm on an Intel 4500MHD, and on any power setting it does that for me. Not a huge thing, but Microsoft should have paid more attention to it, because all the other animations are really smooth, that's the only window animation that isn't really smooth.

 

it still happens for me also on 9500gs 186.82

 

Listen to coolguy, its powermizer.. if it really bugs you, then disable it but then your computer will run at max clocks all the time and thats less battery life and more heat..

Personally i just disable the anims.. i prefer a silent and cool laptop rather than some stupid animations

 

well there isn't reg keys for powermizer.. also, i've tried the powermizer switch, it doesn't work

 

use rivatuner or something to force the clocks to be the highest..

 

RivaTuner will OVERCLOCK your GPU. If you want to do this - be my guess.
I just posted the solution a few post above.

"powermizer switch" only works for SOME graphic cards, and it just does some registry tweak. The above software support nearly all Nvidia GPU's.
If my software doesn't help, after your started your computer, then the problem can't be fix, or me and REB!, doesn't understand what you see.

If you are going to try and overclock your GPU. I recommend Nvidia own overclock software, as it works with profiles. Just doubles click on a saved profiles, and it loads it at the moment you do.
So you have have 2 or 3 profiles. Minimum speed - to boost battery life; Default - standard plug-in speed, and high speed - your overclocked profiles. And you even have a the ability to tell which profile automatically to load, and when, with an easy editor.
All you have to do is install this, from Nvidia: http://www.nvidia.com/object/nvidia_system_tools_6.05.html,and then check out the Nvidia Control Panel.

 

u can use rivatuner to overclock your 2d and low power 3d clocks, so they are not full power but still more than default which will make aero run smoother.. no need to disable powermizer entirely or use the crappy ntune

 

I believe that it's not the 2D clock rate, but rather the memory clock rate to play with.

 

OK, well rivatuner does that too

 

This problem hasn't got anything to do with hardware or drivers. It is present in all windows 7 (aero) installations. The only difference is that some people notice it and others don't.

 

its not a case of noticing it
its just not there on my laptop

 

Same here.

 

Have you used Vista?

Because it is most DEFINITELY noticeable. And it's not just on Nvidia cards, it's on ATI cards as well. The Vista animations on my laptop were amazingly smooth while in 7, they feel jerky and stuttering.

However, the stuttering is not always present. I notice it mostly when closing an window and very rarely when I open a window. There's no stuttering when minimizing or maximizing.

When closing windows: There's a slight "pop/jerk" and then the animation is smooth.
When opening windows: Smooth animation but when animation is, the "pop/jerk" appears at the end.

 

Its clearly noticeable if you install the registry hack that makes all the animations slow if you hold shift, but you have to sort of pay attention to the windows to see it on normal speed, most people wouldn't notice it.

Seems like MS made it like that on purpose.

 

AHhhhh!
That is normal and done on purpose.. it was requested during by beta testers.
Also, the feature in Vista where maximized window then the boarder black non-transparent, has been removed by users requests,... as people believed that Vista behavior was a "bug" during Vista life-span. That's the downside when a company listens too much to users... you get stupidities sometimes. But, then again, no one complained against the idea, when it was mentioned on Windows 7 development blog.
Maybe, you'll get a chance to be heard on Windows 8 development blog if you are with others.

 

Why would users request stuttering animations?! I find it annoying to be honest and I thought Microsoft just made some tweaks to Aero so it's not as GPU intensive. Actually, I noticed this behaviour since RC so I assumed it was a bug that would get fixed or I thought my video card wasn't powerful enough for Aero (since I didn't have Vista on it before so I didn't know how well it would handle it).

Though, I do like the transparency when maximizing windows. The black in Vista was definitely ugly.

I guess you win some, you lose some though in general, I don't find 7 much better than Vista. Actually, I never had any problems with Vista at all and it ran nicely on my laptop, even the boot time is the same... but I'll keep 7 since I like the new features.

 

I am a PC and Windows 7 jerky window animation was not my idea! LOL at Windows 7 commercials.

 

IIRC, the request is that windows appears much too slow under Vista so it feels like the system is slower than reality. people wanted the program to "pop" fast all by having the animation. So Microsoft came up with that, and no one complained AT Microsoft Windows 7 Blog, or sent any feedback via Windows 7 beta (RC version is too late for such thing). If you want you can disable such animation, and it make the system look even "snappier".. as windows appears like they did in XP and older Windows, (no animation they just pop when loaded).


@coolguy, jerky animation is because your GPU is not powerful enough.
You need an Intel 4500XHD or Geforce 6600 GT with 256MB of video memory (or the equivalent from ATI) to get the smoothest experience at 1920x1200 screen resolution (128MB is fine, if you are are at 1600x1200). Of course so much memory is not totally required... this is assuming that if you have a higher resolution you have A LOT more windows that are not only larger but much much much greater in number.

 

I have Nvidia 8400M GT (1200x800 LCD resolution) and this card can handle that animation. I was also talking about the same window stuttering.

 

am i the only one who disables all animations? they are not that amazing and they only slow things down, imo.

 

Nope, I did that on my laptop. I disable Close/open, minimized/restore animations via the performance panel. But on my desktop it's full enabled.

 

yeah i had vista 64bit now on win 7 64bit
i been playing around opening n closing stuff and eveything looks fine to me

 

Look super closely at the the top border of a folder when you click on the "Windows explorer" icon on the task bar. Do that 2-3 times. You will notice that the animation skips 1 frame at the end, so that is does this "pop" action.. and because of this, apparently it's the end of the world and being called by some as super shuttering slide show animation of d00m that is an insult to computers and any living creature of all universes.

 

I see it everytime on every system. i'm quite good at detecting stutterings (i see them in the cinema, on blurays, dvds, everywhere.. don't know if that's a gift or a curse.. more of a curse for me..)

and yes, it was definitely more smooth on vista.

this on integrated intels, and on nvidia gpus. i don't have any ati right now

 

Just completed my transition to Windows 7 Professional x64 from Vista Business x64, and I must say, I'm loving it.

Specs in sig (E4300) if you guys are interested.

 

same here (but to 32bit. 64bit gave me some issues..)

 

You're one of those types too? It happens on ATi cards as well I believe.


I don't see why MS just doesn't let you customize the animations, as far as how and what direction things go in.

 

the directions are defined by where the window goes to. but yeah, i would be interested in why the stuttering happens (did they reduce the fps for aero or something? if so, can we chose to increase it again?)

i know that they implemented a new animation framework in win7. it's available for developers, and quite impressive. but that framework is always smooth, and i thought they use it for the full aero, too.. so i'm mostly interested in the ", why does this happen? how did you mess that up? it worked before?!?".

strange

 

It has NOTHING to do with reduce FPS.. all they did is cut the animation 1 fps earlier.. when the window is about to appear and completely disappear. If it bugs that much to you, do like like what Microsoft did with Windows Me, merge Windows 98 and 2000.. in your case Vista and WIn7 and hope for the best (note: it did not work the last time it was tried).

 

yeah, it looks more like something of that kind. which is weird, as the animation is NOT FIXED. it's a simple linear interpolation from one state to the other. so they have to actively kill that perfect interpolation somehow.

i guess it's an off-by-one error. the interpolator gets stopped one tick too early.

but why exactly, i don't know. anyone allow me to touch the win7 source?

 

Look on the micro$oft forums: http://social.answers.microsoft.com...e/thread/91dd2caf-eb09-40e3-ac7f-92635d23b237

I think some MODs of micro$oft even admitted that stutter is there and will get it fixed, but didnt.

According to the thread all the Windows 7 have stutter, if you notice it or not.

 

Is it really that big of a deal? If it is there, it obviously isn't something I need to worry about as I don't notice it.

 

@awaisuk, I am sorry, but micro$oft are the ones that made Windows 7. So, we have no idea what you are talking about.
If you have nothing to say constructive, please don't say it and keep it to yourself.

 

I have never noticed stutters, either on my laptop I own, my Moms computer, or the dozens I use at work. Besides, if it stutters and you don't notice it, then it doesn't matter.

 

Mine doesn't stutter it just doesn't work...period!

Aero has stopped working and Windows had to close the program. I get this a few minutes after I boot my system every time.

 

never stuttered for me at all

 

Wow people are picky. If you want to make up for the stutter AND make sure you video card works correctly, minimize and restore a window a few times. Look how smooooooooth the animation for minimize/restore is. I'll take that over my old MacBook's stuttering genie any day.

 

we're not picky. it's just fun that vista was perfectly smooth and now it isn't anymore. this is weird, and obviously just a bug. is the os was perfectly capable of doing it before. it's not doing it because it is too much work for the computer in any form.

 

People complain before: "Vista is too power hungry! Make it less demanding!"
People complain now: "Win7 is not power hungry enough! I have all this power, and I want to use it!"

 

Yeah.. I kinda get what you all mean by that "stutter".
I don't mind it at all though. Maybe it's because I went directly from XP to Win7 and I'm being overwhelmed by all eyecandy.

 

yeah, might be. going from vista (used it for >2 years) to win7 is a backstep in smoothness. that is sad.

and goodbytes: a) i never said vista is too hungry, and b) i like that win7 scales down better. but it could just as well scale back up. at least on a desktop.


and it's no performance gain, else the stuttering would be more "constant". it's just ONE stutter in the whole animation.

so it's most likely a bug, and hopefully get fixed with sp1.

it's espencially funny as they worked hard at enhancing aeros SMOOTHNESS (not performance or anything) in win7. and the result is, the default animation stutters
(yes, they directly targeted to make it more smooth, by removing possible lock-up situations in the GDI and GDI+ frameworks)

 

People can complain about anything they want or they see wrong in their system.

I personally haven't noticed it on mine, but I'm pretty sure it's there. I have another computer that shows that issue more clearly. Hopefully a solution comes through. And if it is not a big deal for you, make sure not to apply the solution if it comes out.