June 2013, Windows 8 Market share

Still not that great. It is gaining at a painfully slow rate still it is gaining.

Windows 8 Continues Ascension in User Popularity Rankings

 

I'm not surprised at all. What I am slightly surprised about though is that even Windows XP has a higher market share than Windows 8. Though most of the current XP users are probably businesses with software that's not easy to upgrade...

 

What a joke. Windows 8 is only barely ahead of Vista on market share. It is a disaster.

 

Close to 8 months and it is pretty bad. It could have been, and may could be, so much better but hind sight is 20/20. Well maybe hind sight isn't that good at M$.............

 

Why am I not suprised...

No it's not hindsight it called let's shove it down their throat they will take it up the )*)&(& and like it. How they could think they are Apple is beyond hindsight it's called short sighted and not looking at whom are their base and how to improve their base and increase their control of the O/S market.

 

Agreed while originally short sighted they could use hind sight to realize the failure of the original plan, not that they will......................

 

So you guys don't think 8.1 will make a difference?

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I don't think so. Personally, I'm sticking to windows 7 until Microsoft gets their act together. Or jumping ship completely to something else (not too hard, since my schoolwork and possibly my career will be Unix/Linux-based for the most part).

 

Well IMHO 8.1 is to try and win a few of those that are on the fence about 8.0. This hopefully will somewhat increase adoption rate. I am sure they are looking to hopefully win over a few tech reviewers as well. It could backfire on M$ though as they are promising to listen and make it better but if they don't the old adage of fool me twice comes into play. The few that still trust M$ could be lost forever.

Before Win8 I could never foresee a way for M$ to tumble. While it is still a long way off and it would take a lot to get M$ to hurt itself that badly I now can see it possibly happening. If it does happen I am sure there will be a business course in every college just on this downfall and how to avoid it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Btw if I have "win 8" and someone else has "win 8 pro", when we both update to 8.1 will we both have the same features? I ask because I'm thinking of buying the pro version. Thanks guys!

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Just like the previous Windows versions, the only things that Pro has over (Home) is Bitlocker, Remote Desktop Connection, and corporate network connectivity (AD, domains, that sort of thing). The upgrade price isn't worth it imo, especially since you can replace Bitlocker with TrueCrypt (honestly, I'd trust TrueCrypt more anyway; no backdoors or anything), same with Remote Desktop Connection and Teamviewer (or other software like TightVNC), and corporate network connectivity is a moot point for an individual's laptop (it's more of a feature for business IT departments). I'd just stick to the (Home) version of Windows 8.

Basically, the only interesting feature of 8 Pro is that you get "downgrade" rights to 7 Pro. Personally, that's awesome in my book, but you might have a different opinion on that.

 

Ars Technica has a different take on the numbers:

Windows 8 vaults past Vista, IE10 continues to surge | Ars Technica

 

For as long as it has been out it is a very poor showing, no if's, and's or but's. IE10 gets better reception as it is available to Win7 users................

 

That's just sad ... the browser gets more ups then the O/S. And that is the core of the program itself...

 

Why does this look dramatically different to that...

 

Because they use a different source for their data. The OP's link uses StatCounter, which counts raw hits on the websites that use it. Ars' data uses NetMarketShare, which weighs the amounts of hits that websites that use their metrics have by country. So, for example, if the proportion of hits they have for South Korea is 1/5 what the proportion of overall Internet users from South Korea is, they'll weigh their South Korean results 5 times as much as those from a country where their number of hits is proportionate to the Internet population. Which one is more accurate is a matter of debate. StatCounter has a considerably wider website base (about 100 times as many sites - 3 million vs 40,000), but is likely biased in favor of certain regions (most significantly, biased against some large countries such as China). That's why I think NetMarketShare (and the Ars link) is more accurate for global marketshare. Although it does depend on what you're using the data for - if you are running a business targeting North America and Europe, you may care more about StatCounter, whereas if your interest is global or focused somewhere other than Europe/North America, you should pay more attention to NetMarketShare.

Of course, this can all lead to some drastically different data. The trends often are the same, but how big of a trend it is can vary greatly.

In another case of different data, Windows 8 had a very poor month in the Steam Hardware Survey. Though more focused on gamers than the general public, it's nevertheless interesting that Windows 8's adoption curve there has slowed considerably, from about 250 base points per month the first few months, to about 100 base points per month for a few months, and now fewer than 50 last month (and it's nowhere near at the marketshare where existing marketshare should be causing that).

 

That explains a lot.

So places like China with very high IE usage is affecting the data in NetMarketShare but much less so in StatCounter.

But even if we focus on data form specific areas, the trends the two services show are still dramatically different. Take a look at the charts for China during the last 12 months:

NetMarketShare

StatCounter

 

Don't be surprised. Once XP got to SP2 (which really was a whole new OS for the most part, but that's a different matter altogether) and got rid of most of its early instabilities, it became well-loved by both businesses and personal users.

There's quite a lot of that, especially with entities that rely on proprietary software that might need major tweaking to become stable in a W7/W8 environment.

Fact of the matter is that W8 has a lot going against it, especially in the corporate establishments. I have yet to see a major one adopting W8, and I deal with them five days a week.

Even places that were completely rebuilt after Sandy on the insurance dime all went with W7, no ifs ands or buts. Thousands of new PCs that could've been ordered with any OS, really.

If I were to name W8's biggest enemy, it would be the fact that W7 is a great OS, and this comes from someone who is by no means a M$ fanboy...

If M$ wants to be a leader in 2022 the way it was in 2011, it needs W9, sooner than later.

Corporate IT departments will not adopt W8 en masse. They'll sooner go Red Hat.

While W8 might be a great OS for touch devices, and well-loved by numerous PC and/or tablet owners, that's not where M$'s bread is buttered. Never was, really.

Yes, the numbers will eventually get better. Hey, it beats Vista now......will certainly be be doing better than XP two years from now...

But "better" does not equal "good enough" let alone "great"...that's why a new OS - even if in the name and cosmetics only - will be sorely needed...

 

They are really, really pushing it. On this very page a Sony ad says "Looks splendid and runs butter smooth - Windows 8". Sony is not even showing its own product!

 

Tammy Reller announced today that there are 20 Million Enterprise Windows 8 Evaluations deployed....that is a good number about on par with where Windows 7 was one year in Cycle...

 

What I would then be worried about is 20,000,000+ copies deployed, and supposedly in use, but so little buzz about it...........................

 

The buzz at least here has been drowned out by the vocal and persistent opponents of Windows 8 and any positive news is typically buried.

 

Problem for Microsoft is that those are simply evaluations. How many of the 20 stick to their previous OS, and who ended up buying Windows 8 licenses? That's where the money is at.

 

Those are the key words "any positive news" there is so little and insignificant. While agreed buzz with 8.1 makes the OS seem even better at touch it is not bringing the needed changes to the desktop/productivity fronts. This has always been M$ bread and butter. Lately they want to give us desktop users the bread but without the buttery smoothness from our spread.............

 

This doesn't matter, every Windows 7 License attached to an EA is technically a Windows 8 License, just like the Windows 7 Licenses being sold 9 months into the Windows 7 release Cycle were actually Windows XP deployments. But to have 20 Million Windows 8 Machines being deployed in PoC's and Evaluations is significant.

 

Really that is even a harder to begin I don't know where to start. You can't use a license 7 on 8 or XP each was for each O/S versions. How you came to the conclusion that was possible is beyond me. If what your saying was so true why even buy W7 when you can use your XP license to make W7 install and activate. That isn't going to happen not least likely from M$

I take that with a grain of salt rubbed into the wounds....if I recall isn't Tammy part of M$ corporation management? If so that is a dubious facts to even begin to believe.... Could you at least post the link to that announcement? Any numbers coming from M$ management or PR is best regarded as rosy or drinking too much koolaid.

 

If you head over to www.DigitalWPC.com you can watch the keynote, also Mary Jo tweeted it out during the Keynote. I realize that there is large portion of this community that hates all tings Windows 8 but it is gaining traction and acceptance and is making its way into even the Enterprise.

 

Link you provide the salt;
WPC 2013 and the Windows 8 Partner Opportunity

I would call it more like leaking in. Of course it will be looked at, will it get used (as in the final being deployed) is the question..................

 

It is obvious you don't have experience dealing with Enterprise Licenses, an Enterprise with an Enterprise Agreement with Software Assurance has the rights to downgrade, so an current EA sells Windows 8 Licenses but an Enterprise Customer can deploy an equivalent version that is supported, also through Software Assurance I get automatically upgraded to the next version if it is released with-in the 3 year agreement, So if I have a current EA my Client Licenses are for Windows 8 Enterprise, but I can deploy Windows 7 Enterprise or Pro. My Office Licenses are for Office 2013 Professional Plus but I can deploy Office 2010 Professional Plus.

Once a SKU is no longer supported I no longer have Licensing Rights through the EA to use that software, this is why April 2014's pending EOL of XP is such a big deal. There will be little to no legal copies of XP with EA Customers.

If an Enterprise Customer doesn't renew their EA they have no licenses and would need to purchase Retail or Open Licenses for all of their Microsoft SKUs in Production.

 

What positive buzz can we expect from a new consumer desktop/tablet/slate OS? "Much more user friendly"? "Very responsive"? "Boost productivity"? "Less pain on finger joints"? "I just like it"?

 

Its called bonehead business 100 which teaches the practice of feasibility analysis. Sure MS had plenty of beta testers for W8 and they did in fact do a feasibility analysis. Those testers said W8 would bomb and it did. The question one needs to ask is why did MS even bother with the feasibility analysis if they already made up their mind on the API etc..? We are talking business basics here. Nothing new. But I'm sure your correct that in colleges they will use this case as to why its important to listen to your customers first. Very elementary concept.

 

The reason they will need a full course, rather than a side note, is the constant forging ahead with the plan and all the failed marketing techniques trying to get this to work. Yes the beginning it was all very simple, M$ though has been very creative in pushing the OS it is just consumers are not buying in.

The hardest hit front will be later on where trends for other OS's are to be adopted to major business fronts and Win8 may not be. I know of at least one major US retailer that had held off last year for Win8 but with the usability debacle IT just recently upgraded their in store systems to Windows 7 from XP, instead of the planned Win8.

Edit; most beta testers, including myself, thought there were a few issues but overall the OS was usable with a few tweaks. This during the beta period but as soon as the RC came out and M$ started hacking away at the desktop portion of the OS all those users, again including myself, said it was doomed. Not doomed to be a total failure but as a substantial one.

 

Windows 8, despite you perspective is not that far off from Windows 7, here is an article about Windows 7, 5 months into launch

Windows 7 growing faster than Vista, overtakes Mac OS X | Ars Technica

Windows 8 surpassed Mac OSX in February and is growing, now that Intel's Core Platform supports S0iX it will be more compelling to those who need battery life. At this point in the discussion we're just clubbing each other, so I bid you well and we can find out who is correct next August.

 

What are you talking about? Windows 8 is doing worse than Vista did, and all your article talks about is how Windows 7 was doing "phenomenally well" compared to Vista.

 

It took Windows 7 5 months to reach about 5% market share and it took Windows 8 9 months to achieve about the same....this during a slump in PC purchasing. My point being Intel and OEMs are now just bringing Windows 8 specific hardware to market. IvyBridge was built around Windows 7 and Haswell has been built for Windows 8.

 

No, it took vista 5 months but win7 under 2 months!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit; glad you are not the one reading the charts and taking care of my portfolio........... J/K but I just had to take the shot.........

 

Windows 7 RTM'd last day of July, 2009....

 

That does not mean the data used for growth was right up to the day of the article. Even todayt articles are written in reference to older data showing hindsight...........

Edit a link for market share 1/2010
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Mi...t-Share-Rose-in-January-While-XP-Fell-118567/

 

Wouldn't it be more correct to say that Windows 7 and Windows 8 were made for Intel (specifially, x86 as a whole), not the other way around? Actually, 8 was made for both x86 and ARM, but x86 and ARM were not made for 8. 8 works just as well on IB as Haswell, and the same can be said for 7 working just as well on Haswell as IB.

 

Actually, any Haswell CPU Chipset that uses S0iX will not have drivers for Windows 7 as the Win7 Kernel does not support it...just like Clover Trail and Bay Trail. I worked with Intel around their Windows 8 launch plans as a Microsoft SME, Microsoft and Intel share and collaborate on development, this is how Haswell specific extensions are in the Windows 8 Kernel. Microsoft does the same with AMD and ARM vendors.

 

Right, and it took their collaboration with AMD to create the enhancements for Bulldozer to the scheduler where if those same enhancements were added to Win 7 at release it would have made the C2Q (non numa cpu) competitive with the C2D clock for clock and maybe have extended its life into the desktop enviorment. This instead of the 10% or so performance hit they took on single non optimized threads (affinity set that is).

No one has disputed the kernel being better optimized for current and future hardware. It is the horrible, for desktop use, UI. this is what kills sales and market saturation...................

 

So then how is Dell selling Haswell-based Alienwares with Windows 7 installed? Same with the Latitude E6540?

 

I think he is saying the Windows 7 kernel will not use the extra feature..............

 

Not using an extra feature != Windows 7 not working on Haswell.

So with 7, there's maybe a few minutes of battery life lost. Not much of a big deal if you ask me. Pros and cons, and all that.

 

LOL, what battery life on an Alienware ..................

 

True, true . Both I'd assume that the E6540 would have a decent battery life on par with the previous E6530 at least.

 

I said that any Haswell CPU that supports S0iX is not supported on Windows 7, not all of the Chipsets are SoC Compliant so no S0iX, those can run on legacy kernels.

 

looks like only bay trail-t is win8 only
http://www.techpowerup.com/img/13-01-04/34d.jpg

edit; SOix just doesn't seem to be an issue other than with ultra power saver Haswell systems, and the jury is still out on them too.

 

As the other two are replacing the Pentium and Celeron lines and don't support S0iX, the "T" variant is the true Atom successor....and supports Connected Standby

 

Again for these Tablet device CPU's win8 is fine so who cares. I am interested in Pentium/ Celeron and of course the Icore CPU's. Super low 3w CPU's do not interest me much and are way off topic. Again jury is out on these as also Intel can issue a driver as well for the sleep states if need be, just as it does for ACPI and SATA etc..............