Just can't get over XP! I LOVE IT

Lol. Not with crap like OpenOffice in comparison to the great Office 2007.

Open Source will have its place. When there is no better option.

 

Office 2003 > Office 2007 > Open Office ...

 

No.

Thanks.

 

skip vista, go to 7

 

XP x64 is the snappiest MS OS to date. 7 is much better than vista (which I still can't find a reason to run), but wait until the final launch to know if it's worth the change.

 

Obviously many people all over the world have the enthusiasm to work on Linux for free. Consider the plethora of Linux distros there are out there. Also consider the scope of add-ons and other open source programs that exist. Then remind yourself how many years these legions of dedicated free workers have been doing this.

Even if what you believe comes to pass, Linux will then become "big brother" and another grass roots movement will emerge to displace the overpowering and overpriced leader. I doubt this will happen.

The pendulum never ceases to swing my friend.

 

Funny, though, that most of the commercial applications of linux generally run in tandem with someone's proprietary add-ons, or for-pay comprehensive support services (heck, a few OEMs have cottoned on and are starting to offer linux preinstalled - for a fee, of course! ). Actual nothing-but-open-source linux will never come together as a commercially viable enterprise setup - not because linux is bad, but because trying to DIY linux on several hundred workstations and servers where you get chewed out up one side and down the other if the system was down because you had to go hunting for a linux-friendly driver is like trying to herd cats - you just don't do it. As a result, linux will only make gains in the commercial/enterprise market as and whenever it is bundled with, or otherwise dependent on, something proprietary that the offeror can get paid for.

EDIT: Oops! Almost forgot, since I don't wanna get flamed, I am not trying to insult linux or say it's worse than WinOSes - it's not; and in fact for individual consumer users such as ourselves, it is probably the superior OS. I imagine that linux will gradually push WinOSes out of the retail consumer market niche; however, that same rationale does not apply in the typical enterprise environment, which is where the bread-and-butter is to be had, and which is why a WinOS will continue to dominate over fully open-source versions of linux.

 

LMAO, that's awesome!

 

except, exactly that shows it isn't

 

Yeah, I don't think vista is particularly bad, it's just unnecessary.
Let's go straight to Win7.

 

well, as going "straight" means sitting for 3 years on xp while you could have had most of win7 yet doesn't make it unneccessary per se

at least when you get it for free.. (means you buy a new system that has a licence for it)

 

Nope, sorry.

If you've read any part of the Engineering Windows 7 blog, it'll become apparent that Windows 7 is much more than a service pack.

 

So to help to see linux future let me tell you about third world or developing countries (I live and work in one).
The only reason people here uses Windows it's because they can get it pirated. Companies of course, cannot use pirated software, so some of them use linux.
However, companies that use Linux must train their people to use it. So often, it's cheaper to just buy Windows (which everybody has at home) so they can skip training. The day everybody at home start using linux, all companies on third world countries will switch to it. And a reminder: we are the 70% of the world population.
The day MS invents a security system that cannot be trespass, that day windows will be over in third world countries. For me, it's obvious that MS does not want to make a 100% pirate proof software, because they know this. But that is a very unstable balance. One day people may realize that it's a bit too hard to hack windows, respect to learn using linux. And linux will be better and better all the time, because several volunteers are making it grow.
Myself, I live fine with my salary and I don't care to get rich. So I'm happy to contribute for free. From my view, the existence of big monopolies is messing the world, so I'm happy to make them fall at least a little.

 

So why don't third world countries just get Macs so they can be cool like Justin Long?

 

i've read it. nowhere found evidence to be more than a service pack + gui change..

 

QFT!

and yet again, we agree my friend

 

But it is a big change, very much under the hood so. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not there...

 

Actually, I think I have to disagree with you. I think that everyone would agree that with Windows 7, they just improved upon Vista and made a better product. I am not slamming Win 7, I am just saying that without Vista, Windows 7 would not be what it is.

If you mean to say, that one should just skip Vista and go to Windows 7, maybe but remember this, the shock most people got from going from XP to Vista because it was so much different XP is not going to be any less. People who have used Vista (for an extended amount of time) will better equipped to deal with migration to Windows 7.

 

Nope, sorry.

That's like comparing benchmarks to actual game play. I don't need to know what the benchmarks (W7 Eng. blog) are when I've actually played the games (longterm W7 beta tester) and know exactly how it works.

I know what the user experience is with W7 and it's an improvement on Vista.

A service pack type improvement with some extra features.

 

People should just use what they want to use. Everyones experience with OS's is different some good some bad. It doesn't make anyones opinion right or wrong.

The only thing is nothing lasts forever. At some point, even with millions complaining, XP will be gone or it will be so old nothing supports it anymore. What will you move to then? Windows 10? Linux maybe? The same complaints will be there as the move to vista.

 

So true Rebellion.

I actually like each new version of windows better than the last.

Of course there are always little things I'd like to see brought forward to the next release, but IMO I always seem to get an improved OS.

I still have XP on a home general purpose computer, Linux on my Netbook, and Vista 64bit on my gaming laptop. I I'll keep XP on my general purpose home puter till the machine dies.

When the retail version of W7 comes out I'll put that on my laptop.

 

XP users, have fun with your 3.5 gigs of ram. I am sitting pretty with 6 gigs and loving it.

 

Run. It. Once????

What are you using? XP SP1?

I run Windows Update at least once a week! Even if you are using XP, you'd better use it, a secure operating system is essential, and without proper updates, you'll be open to attack.

Windows Update in XP is just running in a browser. In Vista, and to a greater extent, Windows 7, Update is built into the OS. Windows 7 also does a fantastic job of finding functional drivers for just about everything. I haven't yet found a device that W7 can't find drivers for automatically through Windows Update.

 

nope, it means it's not there. i see the changes under the hood of vista. the changes under the hood of win7 are NOTHING compared to that. really not.

that doesn't mean the changes of win7 are not good.

one thign that shows win7 is not something new: it doesn't have a new driver model. vista has. why? because a lot changed under the hood.

and they have good reason to not do that again. why?

• vista changes where (technically) great, and still are in win7
• vista changes ment compatibility issues. this time, they have to be compatible (at least, to vista ).
• vista changes ment all hw vendors (and a lot of software vendors) have to rewrite their drivers / software. this time, they need the drivers from the start. so they continue on the vista drivers.

sort of that. win7 has a completely different base on what they want to accomplish and thus gets built completely different. this time, they don't write anything new, they just make the existing stuff better to fix all the problems the naysayers and haters of vista said all the time. so this time, no one can critisize any of the gains of vista.

vista was the revolution, win7 now will revolutionize the users to accept that change.

 

Well, certainly a PC first. But it's an added bonus if it puts on a show. And Vista isn't really that great at putting on a show. Try Compiz Fusion for Linux for a show. It's pretty impressive, even if isn't necessary.

Really? File transfers always used to be the area where Vista was farthest behind XP in performance. It got better with SP1 but was still worse than XP. I'd be quite surprised if Vista were better than XP in file transfers even now (although it should certainly be getting closer).

Going along with what conejeitor said, probably because MacOS is very difficult to pirate.

I'm having quite a bit of fun with 3.5 GB of RAM actually. Almost never manage to use it all. And I couldn't afford 6 GB and a 64-bit OS even if I wanted it for bragging rights. Really, I'd probably be fine with just 2 GB.

But I agree with Rebellion. You should use what OS you like, not whatever one some random NBR user tells you to.

 

Well, at least the file transfers got all fixed in my case. I have 100MB/s from and to the home server over my 1gb lan, which is about the max possible, isn't it?

and compiz looks bad compared to vista imho. more show, but less style. but that is of course, a personal thing.

then again, much of the "show" of aero is a good thing. the hw acceleration makes any glitches and "white-rectangle" issues and "drag-window-painting" issues gone for ever finally. the animations help to determine where a window comes from / goes to exactly, helping to f.e. find it on taskbar afterwards, etc.

the glass itself isn't that useful. but much better than just transparent windows, where "text over text" gets an unreadable mess. the blurred transparency is much better in that regard, and i like the style of it. but of course, one can disable transparency if one wants to.

 

its like OMG i just saw one of those "blue ray" movie.. everything looked AWESOME..but i wud still stuck to my good old VHS.. cos it plays what i ve been watching..

 

heh, vhs, what's that? *hugging my full hd beamer *

 

I would've switched back to XP from Vista but my laptop wouldn't work properly with constant freezes and errors. Windows 7 also didn't play nice together with my HP so I guess I'm stuck with Vista for another 3-4 years untill I get a new laptop or HP releases the drivers for my model. But I'm happy though, it works and that's it.

Anyways, even if my HP worked under XP, I'd still move to Vista someday.

 

Hey you guys... I'm sure you all think Xp is great and all but perhaps its time to go take a look at the linux forum

 

or the mac forum.. xp fanboys are ridiculous, but those others.. uuuhh

 

I didn't have any problems with Vista Ultimate. But then I screwed up and deleted the partition with that installed as well as everything else, and ended up having to get a copy of XP to install. It's a nice transition, certainly boosts my notebook's performance a bit. But I won't complain whenever I get back to using Vista again.

 

Have I mentioned I love the XP network connection layout? Using Vista and XP side-by-side, XP is soooo much nicer for every network task.

 

How often do you do "network tasks"?

 

Once a day here, but who cares? its nicer and simpler and much snappier

 

which tasks do you use once a day? i normally do two network tasks ever: enter the key for my wlan, enter the key for the clubs wlan.

the rest happens all automagically today.

this is not an attack, i'm interested what you do as a network task.

accessing shares at least is more snappy in vista, thus i like it more. and i like the zones, means home/business zone and public zone, which changes the settings on what should be allowed on to get accessed on my notebook.

 

gatorade is better....

 

Vitaminwater!

 

redbull and coke!! who wants to drink pseudo-good-for-your-health-drinks that are no better than real energy drinks?

 

Stoudt's Double IPA, FTW.

Gary

 

Jim Beam is the best of them all. It gives energy like no other. I lasted a full game the other day.

 

and great to drink'n'drive

i loved "tiger". was a small one-product company here with a great energy drink similar to redbull. sadly they where too small to survive. it was may one-and-only-drink during the whole day. never tasted a redbull that good, and never again will

 

You want snappy and fast? Win98 on modern hardware is where it's at!

 

I'll see your Win98 and raise you a Windows for Workgroups.

Gary

 

WFW? Pshaw. FreeDOS. pwned.

 

Oh so you want to throw down huh? I've got copies of CP-M or Oasis laying about. ...big ol' grin...

Oasis was the first OS I saw for a PC that had individual hardware drivers. That was about 1977 or 78. Before that they were all pretty monolithic.

Gary

 

Gary, just how old are you?

 

Probably so old he uses Jim Beam for liniment, not drinkin', just like me!

 

Fifty seven. Started programming when I was a junior in high school. Put my self thru college while working in a computer room for a year and then as a Fortran programmer. Taught computer science for a year, then owned the first computer store in Cincinnati in 1976. Been a self employed consultant, programmer, database designer ever since.

Gary

 

See, I toldja he was old as the hills (heck, he's even older than your's truly, which is a rare find on these forums these days!)