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    Latest FF crashes with plugin?

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by StormJumper, Nov 28, 2014.

  1. StormJumper

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    I noticed lately with my FF 33.1 and trackmenot plugin it has been crashing alot has anyone else experienced this problem? I disabled this plugin and so far I can close without it bringing up the dreaded FF crash reporter.
     
  2. MrDJ

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    for the last 2 releases ive had a couple of seconds freeze the first time i open FF
    today it crapped out on me and no video, flash game,facebook would show blank screens.
    tried a cc cleanup even though id only done one yesterday and it said FF was running and it couldnt force shut it so had to manually shut it in processes.
    now works fine again. lets see if it does the same tomorrow.
     
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    If i open a second firefox window it is sometimes totally blue with some garbled text at the top and i have to close it down and then it opens fine next time the second time.

    John.
     
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    strangely enough i get that on my old clevo but not on my newer one.
     
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    No problems here but I am not using trackmenot, just 'noscript'.
     
  6. StormJumper

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    I have it disabled now and so far leaving it run overnight with FF33.1 on web pages hasn't caused any crashes so far. So I think for now I keep it disabled til otherwise. I do know before when it was happening it driving me crazy I was like what the (&(&(*& is going on here. I kept it off for now and will see how it goes but it does annoy the (&(_*)* out of me when it does it without warning or you leave the room and come back and FF isn't up but the crash reporter on the screen. The problem here is if you have a login page you have to re-login again and if you were typing something it is there or is gone.

    So based on my limit test run anyone using "TrackMEnot" should "Disable" it until they fix what if this is causing part of the problem.
     
  7. StormJumper

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    Update to FF 34.0.5 and turned TrackMeNot back on and will test to see how it goes and so far it hasn't terminated or killed FF or when I close FF caused the "Crash reporter" to run.
     
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    I have to use FF on my Mac at work, and it's been nothing but trouble for the last several revisions with random crashes. For all the c**p that gets flung at Chrome on OS X, it has not crashed on me once.
     
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    Put this way at least it doesn't put toolbars or unknown install onto computers I had to clean because it took file associations or caused more headache...sorry but Chrome is a worthless piece of (&U(& for what it stealth installs for unsuspecting users-savvy users like me figure this out of Chrome...so sorry chrome but your a worthless piece of OU(&U( for the junk you install for unsuspecting users and my calls is Uninstall Chrome and block chrome....
     
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    Revise UPdated:

    Looks like even with FF 34.0.5 and "TrackMeNot" enable it did caused a crash so I disabled it for the time being.
     
  11. HTWingNut

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    I get black screens with FF periodically. I am done with FF. Moving to Chrome. It's just as moddable and seems to be faster and less issues. Just I've been using FF for years and used to it, but sometimes you gotta change.
     
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    Sorry HT, I can't agree with Chrome. I have it on my laptop, and I hardly ever used it. It was so cumbersome, and not very user friendly. (IMHO) It inserted a lot of "update tasks" and what I consider invasive hooks, into my Windows 7 OS. Plus, I hate their EULA. When I got my A520 All In One, I stayed away from even loading Chrome on it.

    I haven't had any problems with FF, although I needed to disable the Canvas Blocker, because I couldn't stand all the Canvas "warnings" every page popped up. :eek:
     
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    FF stutters YouTube videos no matter what computer I use, it constantly gives issues even with the few add-ons I have, and with all the frequent browser updates, I also get frequent incompatibility issues, and now periodic black browser windows. Not to mention RAM usage. It basically shuts down my Transformer T100 with only a dozen tabs open. Chrome hasn't failed me yet in any respects. Works great with my work VPN too even though they recommend IE (granted antiquated IE 6 :eek: yes they're behind the times, only just got Win 7 a few months ago), strangely enough IE 11 doesn't work as well as Chrome for compatibility.

    I have used FF for years, but their upgrade-itis over the last 12-18 months has driven me up a wall. I miss the separate search bar of FF, and I don't like that I have to use an add-on in Chrome to center viewed images, but that's about it.
     
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    What one forgets it the most likely is others factors could be plugins outdate or java or something else complete outside the control of the Browser but oh well let's just blame the browser instead...not much help since no one here knows what plugins your using to begin to diagnosis the problem there. So, let's again just Blame the Browser because my Youtube doesn't work.....very short sighted...

    Geezes wonder if this isn't related to the RAM or over taxing the browser....IE6....and IE11 isn't Chrome what are you talking about-those are two different Browser made by different companies. Compatibility for what???

    Same here I been using it since it came out and that is a long time....not years....sorry but toolbars are a security risk regardless of how much sugar coating you want to make it sound like. Tools bars regardless whom makes it are Security risk. Updates are updates if there is a problem you report it that is called progress...you break and fix some in making updates...if you don't help report it how would you expect them to make the product better???? Odd logic you have here.
     
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    Happens with or without plugins... let's be nice now.

    I don't think you understood what I was saying...



    I didn't say toolbars. There is the built in search bar in the upper right corner of FF. It's part of FF, not an add-on.

    FF changes their browser version every freaking week. This breaks add-ons or plug-ins. Chrome doesn't do that. It just works. FF used to be that way, but now it isn't.
     
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    Funny this would come up. I just left chrome because it is such an enormous resource hog. At one point last week I counted 22 processes and 20% CPU utilization just sitting idle with 6 tabs open. Even if you neuter it and dont allow it as a background task, it eats memory and processing power like crazy. The last straw was trying to do a google hangout with my friend while playing StarCraft 2, and just the hangouts voice conversation was causing 15% CPU utilization! It actually made me drop FPS in game...

    So, I switched to Firefox about 6 days ago, and now I'm having my windows go black...sure CPU utilization during my StarCraft sessions is down to 5-6%, but it is an unreliable mess. Tempted to move to IE for a while and see if its any better.

    You know things are in a sad state when IE is considered as an alternative...
     
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    Wishful thinking here...plugins can introduce more problems then the browser can fix also is not the responsibility of FF to debug custom plugins that is up to the plugin creators to fix.

    Your talking about problem IE6 when IE11 is the latest browser to replace it and talking outdated browser to newer browser is comparing Apples to Oranges.

    That's a test toolbar they tested not 3rd party toolbars that take over your settings and homepage. That is a toolbar doesn't that take file associations and homepage link..

    Why should that matter to FF...making a stretch is here akin to grabbing for straws...it's up to the plugins to test and debug their plugins not FF they worry about their browser working or not. What you addon that is your problem to deal with not FF-once you customize it you take responsibility for it.
     
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    There we go again screen goes black but provides no debug info or reports that problem to FF. Nothing will come out of it if one doesn't send a problem report to FF with the debug information but then again they nag but do no part in helping to send debug log to FF to see if the problem was really a FF problem or user that caused the problem. I had FF since it came out and don't recall getting black screen I get send crash report to FF but no "black" screen. Sounds more related to the Video drivers instead causing that problem.

    That is up to you to decide...IE always been the alternative...how one forgets that I can't say...

    And for now I still have "TrackMeNot" disabled turning it back on and with FF on Google and then closing seems to cause "crash reports"....
     
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    I'm more than willing to send crash reports, but when the application goes completely black and I have to use task manager to kill the process and then it acts like nothing happens when loading the program again... I'm not going to do their job for them. How many people use Firefox and how many of them are willing to seek out a way to send debug information to Mozilla without being asked? The answer is not enough. They need to request them, and I have yet to see one request in the dozen crashes I've encountered. The screen doesn't go black, just the window...this isn't a video issue, and it happens on both my current machines.

    I remember the option to send crash reports in Firefox, and would willingly send them if asked, but ever since one of their weekly updates transformed Firefox into the chrome clone it has tried to become, I no longer get requests to send them.

    IE has come a long way since IE6. In truth, I never considered many of those earlier versions of IE (including 6) as an alternative to Firefox, Safari or Opera because of security alone. Now I might consider using internet explorer.

    Whether YOU considered IE6 a real alternative to whatever you were using at the time is your call, but it certainly wasn't an option for me.
     
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    From the sounds of it sounds more like video or your O/S problem nothing related to FF that I can see from the replies. All the times I had and used FF I never had black windows....and unless you can give us a link and how it came to be that would help others to reproduce that problem that would better inform the rest of us of the problem for those that don't get that problem.

    Oh that is all...that is really nit-picking alot...everyone copies each other...how one missed that dumbfounds me...

    IE has come along way without it do you think anyone would know what a Browser was...probably. Too many take for granted what MS created without realizing before it was all txt.

    Anyone still using IE6 except for outdated and no more support O/S is asking for trouble the internet will eat and spit you out if you don't protect your system that is a "Fact". IE11 whether one likes it or not doesn't matter what matters is not all site are program to one browser or the other and some work better in IE simple fact of programming and others work with others. No but the browser can make a difference between getting work done and nothing getting done.
     
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    *Whichever browser works is fine for anyone. Add-on and plug-ins are always a thorn on the side for any browsers. Browsers usage come down to personal "preferences" more than anything else.* ;)

    cheers ...
     
  22. StormJumper

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    That unfortunately what your asking won't work as you think it will. Without the adobe and MS plugins your browser will not load web pages correctly or will ask you to download the plugins for it to work. So your "Personal Preferences" isn't really personal preferences but a necessary evil to have in order to properly experience and use the web. So one need to keep a open mind it's not just the Browser but needed plugins that facilitate a working Internet.