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    Looking for a powerful Web Browser

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by justin_chris, Dec 5, 2007.

  1. justin_chris

    justin_chris Newbie

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    Hi guys,
    I recently started a home-based online job. I use internet explorer but I it gives a lot of error messages while surfing. I want a browser that provides more features and I wish to open multiple sites in a single window task. Can anyone help me with a suitable and powerful web browser?
     
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    Gintoki Notebook Prophet

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    Sub-D Notebook Evangelist

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    You could also check out Opera which is slightly quicker, uses less resources and isn't as buggy as Firefox. However, with multiple add-ons, Firefox is a very flexible browser which is why I'm sticking with it. There are loads of browsers out there - you just need to find the one for you.
     
  4. ChristopherAKAO4

    ChristopherAKAO4 Notebook Nut

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    Firefox or Opera.
     
  5. n0elia

    n0elia Come on Haswell...

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    What about the new Opera 9.5 BETA ? (hope you're not afraid of betas :))
    Download
     
  6. MYK

    MYK Newbie NBR Reviewer

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    That's quite a job :) So when you get off work, you leave home? J/K

    Don't forget Avant, I love the option of being to login from anywhere and access all your bookmarks etc..
     
  7. n0elia

    n0elia Come on Haswell...

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    You can access your bookmarks from anywhere with Opera as well :)
     
  8. Kyosuke

    Kyosuke Notebook Enthusiast

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    [​IMG]
    what were you saying about less resources? XD
    Yes thats my laptop. No its not shopped. And no there is nothing wrong with my firefox.

    Btw that was with 5 tabs open after about 30 min ;o)
     
  9. Miths

    Miths Notebook Consultant

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    I guess it's down to either Opera or Firefox (plus the 50+ plugins you'll need to give it a feature set matching up to Opera out of the box).

    I'm heavily biased towards the former option - and I'm quite certain any Firefox user would feel the opposite :).
    No matter the choice you're sure to get an extremely good browser by choosing either one though (but with FF you will need those plugins, based on your "powerful" request anyway - unlike Opera it's a very basic and far from powerful browser without at least a handful or two).
     
  10. Miths

    Miths Notebook Consultant

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    I haven't tried the new beta myself (using version 9.24), but I honestly wouldn't recommend a potentially buggy and unfinished beta version to a new user.
    We want to get more Opera users, not risk scaring new ones away :). I recommend starting with a stable official release.
     
  11. n0elia

    n0elia Come on Haswell...

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    You love Opera, but you have not tried the BETA :D ? Dude, get going!

    The difference in speed (loading pages) from 9.24 to 9.5 is BIG!
     
  12. Hiker

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    I wonder how you manage that...
     

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    n0elia Come on Haswell...

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    There's must be something wrong... FF @ only 404 KB, naah :)
     
  14. NotebookYoozer

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    1. what kind of errors? IE is the most widely supported browser so if this is a "work" thing, it would behoove you to figure out WHY IE is erroring. it's likely that you will HAVE to use IE to access some sites, many professional organizations do not support anything other than IE on their sites.

    2. IE also has tabbed browsing now

    3. what exactly do you mean by "powerful" ? that's a pretty vague description.

    4. what "features" are you looking for?

    5. what does "suitable" mean?
     
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    exnav1965 Newbie

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    n0elia Come on Haswell...

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    ehh, we've already mentioned those browsers?
     
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    surfasb Titles Shmm-itles

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    Yeah, I don't see how people get ridiculous Firefox Memory usage. This is my firefox with SEVENTEEN tabs open and I have 15 Add ons.
     

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    Padmé NBR Super Pink Princess

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    I believe he's added safari, so to me that's a very valid post. :p
     
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    Granted I don't have nearly as many tabs open but yours wasn't far off from mine.

    Anyway, since I reinstalled Comodo FW and turned off the NOD32 v3 proxy running through my browsers, my FF usage is down to 66k. I'll keep an eye on it.
     
  20. Miths

    Miths Notebook Consultant

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    I've been using Opera since around version 7.5 back in 2004, but I've never felt the need to try out a beta version so far.

    9.5 does look like it will have a few nifty new features (particularly the full text history search), but since 9.24 (as the last many official versions) is both fast and completely (well, 99.9% :)) stable for me, I don't see any reason to bother with 9.5 until it's finished.
    Especially since I need to migrate things like a huge wand file, notes file, bookmarks, sessions etc., and if I end up using two different Opera versions I'll probably just get confused and get them mixed up at some point :p.
     
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    Yeah! It’s a very old issue. Now me and many of my friends are all using Mozilla Firebox for surfing the net. It is a powerful web browser. It provides 101 features that make surfing the web more comfortable and less confusing. You just visit http://www.browsers-review.com and download it easily. Hope this will help you.
    Good luck!
     
  22. qhn

    qhn Notebook User

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    ->Miths: very good decision indeed
    ( http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Opera_9.5_Beta_Other_Known_Issues )

    cheers ...
     
  23. Miths

    Miths Notebook Consultant

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    While the review text sounds positive enough, I'm having a bit of a hard time figuring out exactly why Opera is only getting three out of five stars, while Firefox gets five (and even IE scores higher - yep, I actually sort of like IE7 myself, but better than Opera? Yeah, right).
    I guess my only real option is to conclude that the writer is a Firefox user who hasn't really taken the time to learn much about Opera (fair enough under normal circumstances, less so when you're doing a review).

    Additionally, security features (a very important point for many people for obvious reasons) are touted in the FF review, while left out entirely in the Opera review, even though it has often been proven to be the most secure browser of them all or at the very least on par with FF (and includes anti-fraud/phishing checker etc.).

    Personally - being a big Opera fan - I would probably feel inclined to give both Opera and Firefox five stars (assuming it's taken into account that you'll need a bunch of plugins to make FF a match for Opera in terms of features, otherwise Opera would win hands down).
    Which browser each person then ultimately prefers is very much a matter of force of habit, or if you're newly exposed to both, which of the two manage to initially win you over with its "feel" (it's been a while since I've actually seen the default interface in Opera - I'm transferring over my heavily customized interface between versions - but I think Firefox still has the lead here if you're coming straight from IE and aren't necessarily a self proclaimed power user).
     
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    Kyosuke Notebook Enthusiast

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    I think these pics describe ff, opera, and ie rather well. (I dont take credit for these pics)
     

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    Nocturnal310 Notebook Virtuoso

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    Well, NASA uses oldest OS in the world..why they dont use BETA or perhaps windows vista? ..a single bug while in space can kill their multi-million dollar project..

    We are not NASA users but i basically metaphorically exaggerated to convince professionals to use older programs ...use XP ...Dont u dare try Vista ..u ll be jobless if u try Vista.
     
  26. Miths

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    Nice. My browser is an Aston Martin DBS :p.

    Pretty funny picture series though :).
     
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    I'll second Avant, I use it.
     
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    cvx5832 Notebook Evangelist

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    Firefox since 2004. "Discovered" Opera 6 months ago, never looked back. Didn't even bother installing Firefox on my latest machine.

    Try a few. Everyone will always have their favorite.

    Regards,
    Paolo
     
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    I'm not saying this was your intent, but I've noticed in some other threads that folks are harping about having to download add-ons and extensions to Firefox in order to get it to match Opera's alleged feature set. I've used Firefox from its start and this was always one of their selling points: the browser is downloadable in a fairly "bare-bonesish" format without a lot of bloat, allowing the user to configure it exactly the way that he or she wants. You can add what you want and leave the rest out.

    I like both browsers though and use FF on my desktop and Opera on my flash drive. I haven't used IE, except when forced to, for years.
     
  30. Silas Awaketh

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    Download Opera, and look no further.


    Or, download Firefox, add about 20,000 plugins on it, save them and save their configurations (in case you need to re-install FF), browse slower and unsecurely comparitively, and not to mention it's buggy (memory leaks and all), and then download Opera.


    Pick whichever way you want. :)
     
  31. Kyosuke

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    ^ i only used the 8 addons that i need and use only 700kb in ram right now, so im ok :3
     
  32. Silas Awaketh

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    I have no addons, and Opera's using 14 MB (even with the alpha version), with 4 tabs open.

    Now that 2 GB of RAM is becoming a norm, I don't think the difference of 20 - 40 MB would and should make any difference. At least with my 3.5 GB it doesn't.

    Although, I've seen the latest FireFox comsume 200MB, and on the same PC later, I have seen it consume no more than 4MB, when used for hours. Where as the highest I went on Opera was 80 MB or so, with loads of tabs open, and it was being used for abour 3 or 4 hours.

    I don't care about addons or RAM. The fact that Opera is faster and more secure does it for me.
     
  33. jin07

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    I like Firefox with the Noscript extension over Opera. If it was Firefox without Noscript and Opera, I'd pick Opera hands down.
     
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    some nifty opera users have coded js "extension" to support Opera "noscript", give it a shot
    http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=205858

    this is also being looking into for Opera 9.5 (when it is ready)

    cheers ...
     
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    What is NoScript?
     
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    qhn Notebook User

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    in a nutshell:
    "....it is an extension for Mozilla Firefox and others Mozilla based browsers that prevents sites from using JavaScript and Java without explicit permission from the user.[1] It can also block other potentially exploitable plugins such as Flash.[2] It is very popular, often topping Mozilla's most popular extension list[3] and is often recommended by the media.[4] It has received critical acclaim, winning a PC world 2006 world class award.

    One particular reason that NoScript is popular is that it is one of the few ways that users can protect themselves from XSS..."

    one of (important/most secure/shortcoming) thing that Opera 9.5 is hopefully looking into implementing (in a form of "addon/extension" (??)) with its final release

    cheers ...
     
  37. Miths

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    Isn't it annoying as hell to surf with that NoScript extension (or any Opera alternative)?
    If it blocks Java, Flash and assorted other things, I imagine it would break - with varying degrees of severity - a load of the sites I visit regularly.

    I don't even think I would like to surf with a more or less effective adblocker (and not just because I make a living off Internet advertising myself :p). I think I would constantly have this feeling of potentially missing something vital if large parts of a website was missing :).
    Popups are an exception - I hate those damn things and would never use them on my own sites (and these days they would probably just get blocked nine times out of ten anyway). Not fond of those animated Flash overlay ads that actively block page content either.
     
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    For me, it's annoying as hell to not surf with Noscript. Without it, I basically run into ad after ad, not to mention the security benefits I lose. If there's a page which uses javascript, just turn it on for that specific element. For instance, I just allow notebookreview.com to run it's javascript instead of having the site + google-analytics + techtarget + doubleclick.net + etc. All you do is click on the noscript icon and select allow for the script you want turned on. Because of this extension I rarely have any pop-ups or ads. In fact, I can't even remember the last time I had an unexpected pop-up.
     
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    You can turn all that stuff like activeX off or on in Avant, but if you watch what the heck you're doing, who cares? Spysweeper is minding the shop too ;)
     
  40. Thomas

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    I use it 100% stable.
    Browsers I'd recomend?
    SeaMonkey
    FireFox
    Opera
    Safari
     
  41. n0elia

    n0elia Come on Haswell...

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    What about Flock ? Anyone tried it?

    Link
     
  42. Miths

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    I haven't seen a popup ad for what must be close to a year now, and that's just using the basic built-in popup blocker in Opera (one that at least in the past even had a reputation for not being quite as efficient as the one in Firefox).
    And in my experience, security problems in the form of unrequested malware downloads and assorted sneaky scripts (obviously you still have to pay a bit of attention, and/or use the fraud checker in Opera or check certificates etc., if you're actively enterting credit card details etc.) is really a non-issue - unless you're using IE perhaps, but I imagine even that browser in version 7 is (hopefully) a bit more malware resistent and with fewer blatant security holes than in the past.

    If you want to get rid of ads aside from popups - a perfectly valid and understandable reason of course - I'm sure turning off scripts is an excellent way to do that (as I mentioned in my last post though, I'm usually quite satisfied as long as I avoid popups, and I usually have gif animation turned off as well - and most modern Flash ads tend to be somewhat less intrusive than the ugly blinking gif ads of the past).
    But for most people (including me, and I spend 8+ hours on the Internet every day with work and random surfing) I really don't believe it's worth disabling scripts if added security is the main concern.
     
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    Just use a good host file and Opera as the browser.
     
  44. jin07

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    I mainly use Noscript to get rid of ads in a webpage, not pop-ups or for security reasons. For right now, I'm not considering switching since I have everything set-up how I like it. I might switch once FF3 and the latest Opera come out.
     
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    I tried this. I love it.
    Works with all FireFox addons & themes as well.
    I recomend this one.
     
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    Flock :D I tried that a couple of years ago.....very strange but interesting browser....haven't seen the new versions yet
     
  47. Sub-D

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    In response to the post concerning memory usage I did a quick grab of Opera and Firefox running the same websites (three tabs in each). Worth noting is that Opera was slightly speedier both in starting as a program and fully loading pages (even with flash).

    View attachment 13075 View attachment 13076
     
  48. Thomas

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    It's already on 1.0.3 you should try it again it's cool.
     
  49. Silas Awaketh

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    Man, Opera has sure turned the tables, in not so long time. I switched to Opera the day they were offering it for free (their 10th anniversary), and then they decided to go freeware!
     
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    Eh? What are you talking about? Opera has been free ware for quite some time.
     
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