Microsoft Creators Update, April 11 , 2017 Rollout

I have read several posts about this update, it appears this is a minor update, hopefully there will be a driver update for the drivers now 11 years old, M$ will now be selling windows themes in windows store, not sure if free themes will be available like now,ect

 

Microsoft's Windows 10 Creators Update lives up to its name
https://www.engadget.com/2017/03/29/windows-10-creators-update-review/

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/upcoming-features

 

But let me tell you this, I've been running the RTM/Final version since last week. This is not Final, not Beta, not even Alpha in my books.

Major discussions on MDL Forums about how buggy it is, buggier than previous Insider Preview Builds even.

Just a few examples of the bugs:

- Start Menu layout keeps resetting itself, you pin your programs and whatnot, then open the start menu again, bam, they're back to whatever the layout was before you pin anything

- When I go to Settings then to the Start Menu Settings then select which folders appear on Start, I select all of them

then I check my start menu, none are there. If I go back to the settings, they are all unchecked.

@Mr. Fox

PS: On a side note, some users are saying this happens when you disable Cortana but I am not enabling her even if you paid me.

Workaround, use Classic Shell or any other Start Menu alternative app

 

I have been reading what the IT Pros are saying (guys like Woody Leonhard from Infoworld/IDG) and it's not as peachy as the M$ liars would lead one to believe. We should know by now that when Micro$loth is getting people hyped up that it is to serve as a distraction from their mistakes. And, all of the Kool-Aid drinkers that pretend bad is good are no help.

I don't have Cortana... at all. I evicted that tramp from her digital brothel on the WIMs before reinstalling to unallocated disk space and she is nowhere to be found. Not even her "service" exists. Ding dong the witch is dead. Skype, Get Office, OneDrive... all that worthless feces bloatware has been terminated without mercy. Defender is a bit trickier now. It's integrated with some other garbage, so even when the tools are dead, it is still there in name only. Going to have to use a bigger hammer on that piece of poop.

By the way... I've got Windows 7 on my 960 Pro now. I puts Creators Abortion on the BPX. I used the same tool to create a custom Windows 7 NVME/USB3 ISO with integrated updates for Kernel Mode Driver Framework, DotNet 4.6 and a few other things, removed Home Groups from the WIM, and it runs like a top on the 960 Pro.

 

I found out how to remove the Windows Defender Security Center Service which is protected and cannot be touched. this is not to be confused with Windows Defender, it is basically the Security Center junk that wants to monitor your security, as if Micro$h4ft knows anything about security other than giving us FPs....

lemme know if you need it, I don't have the Creators update installed so I will have to connect to you via TeamViewer and show you how easy it is to unlock / disable that junk

 

Yes, I do want that. Thank you. I will send you my info . That will give you a chance to browse and see how radical my surgery was. Instead of removing the cancer cells, I removed the entire limb just for good measure. And, it still works fine.

 

what's so bad about windows defender?

 

Unwanted for the performance and protection it offers with the resources it takes I presume ?
-bloatware-

 

ah


I still use it, never really noticed anything significant

 

It's the heaviest AV I've ever used! Reminds me of how McAfee was a few years ago. I could feel my system literally crippled if I have it enabled!


@Mr. Fox

 

so disable windows defender with oo shutup 10?

 

That's because you didn't use your system without it......like most people who say its light do.......

Disable it, uncheck the services, then see for yourself:

How to properly install an Antivirus / Security Suite in Windows 10

Use Panda AV Free or ESET NOD32 if you wanna pay

 

Kinda have to agree - Defender hasn't been an issue so far.

 

1) Disable it from within its own settings

2) Run Group Policy Editor and turn it off for good.

3) If you don't have Windows 10 Pro and thus no access to the Group Policy Editor, use O&O ShutUp10

4) follow the instructions in the above guide to uncheck its services from startup

 

some settings have changed from the guide and latest windows 10

I have w10 enterprise activated

 

I do not use any antivirus software on either of my computers. I stopped using it a few years ago and don't see any reason to waste money on it.

Likewise, I do not have Defender on the Crapstone2 Creators Abortion. I recorded my desktop using the latest Toolkit to eliminate all of the worthless bloatware feces, so I will put that together with some narration and upload a video in the next day or two. I also use the latest Toolkit to make a new Windows 7 x64 ISO with Home Group removed and native NVMe and USB3 support. With that mod I was able to install Windows 7 to my 960 Pro with zero effort to load extra drivers... just like an old SSD/HDD install.

All of the filth is removed. As 'Bones' used to say on Star Trek...


@Phoenix thanks for showing my how to disable that stupid new Security Control Panel or whatever they call it on the Creators Abortion. So nice to have that dead now, too.

 

If you hate AV then try AppGuard.
Its not free though. Detection is good.

 

You might want to read the Full Changelog. Instead of updated drivers and more control, Windows 10 users will receive this:

The way Windows 10 has forced driver updates that were clearly not the newest drivers from the hardware vendors themselves was one of its main shortcomings. And now they just enhance it so the users can't prevent the OS from installing unstable drivers from Microsoft's servers.

It seems that every time a major Windows 10 update comes out, they go one step forwards and at least 500 steps backwards.

 

The new version of the digital exorcism video is live now.

 

all the ISOs are now live officially from Microsoft:

https://tb.rg-adguard.net/

Windows 10 Home/Pro Creators Update x64

 

Installed the creators update and it will reset many of your windows privacy settings scattered across the os. This update will also reset your nvidia control panel settings.

For some strange reason, the update also lowered my idle temps by 7C or so even with all my tabs and apps open, with my cpu temps hovering at 28C mostly and going no higher than 33C. gpu temps were around 34C. This was true even after several restarts to make sure it wasnt a fluke. Then a reinstall of the latest nvidia drivers raised my cpu idles back to 33-34C and gpu back to 39C. Anyone else experienced this?

In the end, I had to revert back to the previous build because of some app incompatibilities

 

WOW Must have Now have M$ done a fantastic job. Amazing!!

Similar behavior but oppsite

 

I am using it now....it's a good improvement speed wise, but my battery life is suffering. Hopfully an update soon will fix that.

 

Could you just post the step by step procedure on how to disabled it?

Anyone here notice that the control panel is removed from the win key + x menu?

 

I installed the creator's update over my existing one. I had to re-do my privacy settings with O&O Shutup10 and within Group Policy Editor, but it hasn't been bad. The OS seems a bit snappier, which is good. It also looks like Redmond has finally fixed the display scaling problems that were in present in many of the in-box parts of Windows, such as Device Manager. Now everything looks as it should on my external 4K monitor.

Will get around to measuring temperatures and game performance tonight and later in the week, but so far, so good.

 

Yes, its called bloatware update, my backup is about 50% larger than before, control panel gone-have to search for it, one drive reemerges , windows defender security center will tell you to change your laptop battery settings and so forth and wont go away till its disabled thru task manager, all in all a wonderful update..

the best part is that M$ is using several universal 2006 drivers still and its 2017,,wonderful update, an update with no update of 2006 drivers.

 

This kind of pure bull feces shows you where the retard mindset was that created Creators Abortion. Made for retards, by retards.

The reason they still use drivers from 2006 is they haven't had any competent software engineers on the payroll since sometime in 2009. (Windows 7 SP1 was released in July of 2009 and it's still the last OS they made that was actually worth a damn.)

 

• How to Enable Hidden Options in Windows’ Disk Cleanup Tool

That will remove the old OS .old and all upgrade temp files

Run it as admin and check all the boxes

 

Here's a problem - this update is playing havoc with VPN.ac. I can connect to a server just fine, but browsing is much slower now than it was before. I'm constantly getting short freezes and seeing "resolving host" in Chrome. The pages eventually load, but the delays are ranging from 3-10 seconds when there were none before outside of initially booting up a website after connecting to the VPN.ac service.

@Phoenix - can you check this to see if you're having a similar problem? I've opened a ticket with their support to put them on notice and attached a screenshot of Chrome attempting to open my GMail account with it frozen at resolving host.

 

no issues here, make sure you add VPN.AC to your allowed firewall rules,

openvpn-libressl.exe
openvpn-openssl.exe
vpnac.exe

also make sure you have disabled updates from more than one place under PC Settings > Updates > Advanced Settings to ensure your PC is not acting as a Micro$h4ft update server because if your upload is chocked, so will your download

 

Did all that, no change. Performed the suggestions from VPN.ac support, no change. However, if I change the connection protocol to L2TP/IPSec, everything is good, so there must be some sort of incompatibility between this Windows build and OpenVPN and/or the TAP driver used to connect to the VPN service.

 

Can you tell us which are those 2006 drivers?

 

oh I always use LT2P it's much faster then OpenVPN ECC

 

The speed increase is noticeable. I'll be using L2TP from now on.

 

L2TP isn't encrypted, you need to also encrypt with IPSEC, a 2 step process, which is slower than OpenVPN (preferred) according to these sites:

Which is the Best VPN Protocol? PPTP vs. OpenVPN vs. L2TP/IPsec vs. SSTP
https://www.howtogeek.com/211329/wh...ocol-pptp-vs.-openvpn-vs.-l2tpipsec-vs.-sstp/

Compare VPN Protocols - PPTP vs L2TP vs OpenVPN vs Chameleon
https://www.giganews.com/vyprvpn/compare-vpn-protocols.html

This one says L2TP/IPSEC is fastest

PPTP vs. L2TP vs. OpenVPN: which one to use?
https://vpn.ac/knowledgebase/36/PPTP-vs-L2TP-vs-OpenVPN-which-one-to-use.html

If MS isn't allowing OpenVPN to work, they are deciding for us what's best

 

The vpn.ac client includes the necessary encryption when using L2TP.


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I wasn't suggesting L2TP + IPSEC weren't included together, just that it was a 2 step process that has more overhead. Particular optimized implementations compared against each other can change the order of performance, but that doesn't mean a further optimized OpenVPN couldn't be faster yet

VPN.AC Client Software (Windows)
https://vpn.ac/knowledgebase/42/VPNAC-Client-Software-Windows.html

What are the speed comparisons you've experienced? MB/sec, latency?, via the same servers?

 

I can't make a comparison until OpenVPN fixes whatever issue is causing the "resolving host" lag that is not present when using L2TP.

 

Then how do you know it's faster?

What about before now, did you run any comparisons before the Windows 10 broken update?

 

I only used OpenVPN prior to the update, as it worked just fine for my usage. There was some slight slowdown, mostly when streaming video (files were a bit slower to load than normal), but other browsing and even Steam downloads were not affected in an overly perceivable way. However, now that I have used L2TP since OpenVPN is broken, seat of the pants impressions have it feeling very close to there being no VPN at all, regardless of what I am doing online. If there is more overhead with the two-step process, then perhaps there is more wrong with OpenVPN than just what has been happening as a result of the W10 update.

 

Ok, well maybe over time you'll gain a different perspective. I've noticed times where the VPN doesn't affect perceived speeds, and others where it does, using the same connectivity protocols and servers. As best I can tell it's load related.

If I pick a server "elsewhere" my latency can go from 14ms to 114ms, to 330ms, and even if "local" Speedtests (local to the server end) are fast, Speedtests to servers local to me aren't.

Too many variables for me to make a determination as to which connectivity protocol is best unless I do a number of A/B tests side by side during the same time period against the same servers, and average them across a few sessions.

Seat of the pants feelings for speed could have been bad given a worse timed test - during heavy usage times on that server you were connected to.

 

L2TP/IPSec has not posed any game-breaking issues for me so far, so I will use it, periodically checking in to see if the issues with OpenVPN have been resolved. As long as the service works without a severe degradation to my browsing, streaming, and downloading, I couldn't care less. You're going way deep into the weeds here.

 

Way deep into details you mean

Casual treatment of technical details is dangerous, just because it works ok now doesn't mean it's a good long term solution. One is not the same as the other after all.

Making a protocol decision deviating from your previous usage just because a Windows 10 update breaks your long term solution doesn't make it a good situation, it's a temporary work around at best.

Maybe being forced to use a different solution helped you find a better solution, but it's an accident caused by a bug in a Windows 10 update, so the solutions should be explored in more detail rather than simply "going with the flow".

It's a major bug in the Creator update, and a potential stoppage for people depending on OpenVPN to work.

Please do report back what you find long term, and when OpenVPN starts working again.

So it's good to know, thanks for reporting it.

Seems some people are ok after the upgrade, others not so much. Somethings fixed, somethings not so fixed. Pretty much SOP for MS in the middle of forming an OS in real-time.

It was the same on Windows 7, more so on Windows 8-8.1. Now that those versions of Windows are feature completed and mostly bug fixed, it's nice and quiet there... peaceful even...

Windows 10 Creators Update problems
http://www.thewindowsclub.com/windows-10-creators-update-problems-issues

Windows 10 Creators Update reported issues: Here’s what’s broken
http://windowsreport.com/windows-10-creators-update-bugs/

THE 8 MOST COMMON PROBLEMS WITH WINDOWS 10 CREATORS UPDATE, AND HOW TO FIX THEM
http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/windows-creators-update-problems-fixes/

Why you shouldn't rush to install the Windows 10 Creators Update
https://betanews.com/2017/04/07/dont-rush-to-install-windows-10-creators-update/

Windows 10 Forced Update Starts Causing Problems
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordon...oft-windows-10-upgrade-problems/#28ca33b420fd

Massive Windows 10 Update Has Two Nasty Surprises
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordon...-10-creators-update-changes-ads/#7d0afea521c3

Microsoft Continues Working on Windows 10 High DPI Issues with Creators Update
Posted on April 4, 2017 by Paul Thurrott
https://www.thurrott.com/windows/wi...ng-windows-10-high-dpi-issues-creators-update

Windows 10 Creators Update common installation problems and fixes
http://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-creators-update-common-problems-and-fixes

 

Unless there are performance gains from doing the update, I ain't updating at all.

All of these features don't interest me a bit, but the problems are scary.

 

@Phoenix - can you test with OpenVPN to see if you're experiencing the same problems I am? The issue is most prevalent on sites like Amazon and eBay. Connect and see if pages are taking a long time to load. On Chrome, it gets hung up on the "resolving host" portion.

 

I did a clean install last night using the latest win10 download with this Creator update, But i ran into problems booting from my mSATA SSD .
My computer came with an 1TB 2.5HDD, I found an mSATA slot on the motherboard and i fitted an 256GB SSD, Now you cannot boot from an mSATA SSD so Windows boots from the HDD and then switches to the SSD where Windows is installed, and this has worked great, I have done around 20 clean installs constantly dowloading and installing the latest version of Windows.

But yesterday i downloaded the latest version of Windows with the creator update, everything installed fine but on reboot i got the message my OS could not be detected, I think it`s looking for my OS on my 1TB HDD and not checking the 256GB SSD where it is installed.

Once i get this OS not found message, if i reboot and press esc a few time it will boot into my OS, but i have to do this everytime i restart my computer.

I have redone the clean install a couple of time and i get the same booting problem, So i have been forced to dig out on old version of Win10 and after installing it, everything is back to normal.

So if you have you OS on an mSATA SSD this Creator might cause you boot problems if you do a clean install.

John.

 

I did find a couple areas where scaling on ultra-high-resolution displays is still not correct. They're mostly in legacy things, like in the network connection properties for your NIC where you can manually set DNS and DHCP, enable/disable various network protocols, etc. This is like, Windows 98-era interface stuff.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/vpn-ac-review.792385/page-3#post-10504351

 

I actually just reverted back from CE... was starting to get plagued by odd BSOD :/

 

My laptop automatically installed this today resulting in a completely bizarre problem: the "This PC" Documents and Pictures links now pointed to OneDrive. Messing with the OneDrive settings didn't help. The way I eventually fixed this was by editing the registry (see link for the correct folder to use, although the values that need to be edited are pseudo-random strings which are not mentioned on that page). I hope it doesn't change the values back as part of another update.

This proves once again that the entire idea of integrating a specific backup storage solution directly into the operating system is catastrophically stupid when the available backup space is of order 1% of the device storage (or even less). It's just asking for something like this to happen.