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    Microsoft Creators Update, April 11 , 2017 Rollout

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by 3Fees, Mar 30, 2017.

  1. MahmoudDewy

    MahmoudDewy Gaming Laptops Master Race!

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    I witnessed very strange system behavior especially in processor clock management and cores utilization, the fix was to uninstall all system drivers and reinstall all of them especially the chipset in proper order. I recommend doing so for everyone who upgraded and didn't clean install.
     
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  2. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    See also THIS:D
     
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  3. MahmoudDewy

    MahmoudDewy Gaming Laptops Master Race!

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    MS is so bad they made someone believe his LM had to burn in ... Good god ... The devolution from W7 to what we have now is really sad
     
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  4. RalfTech

    RalfTech Notebook Consultant

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    Dear MSI users,

    As of now there have been new Windows 10 updates released.

    ------------------------------------------------------------
    Please do not update Windows 10 as of now!
    ------------------------------------------------------------

    The updates (15063.13) and (15063.138) for Windows 10 are causing insane amounts of issues and reportedly only for users without a clean install. The new MSI GT73VR-7RF is mainly targeted with those issues.

    Wonder why the factories can't make a clean install for $3500 machines...

    Fix / Repair is available at the end of the thread!

    15063.0 Tested / Flawless

    15063.13 Tolerable
    - Can't boot-up the machine after an hour without using a power adapter!
    - Sleep mode issues (After 15 minutes laptop completely shuts off / data loss)
    - Booting to a black screen
    Fix: http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4453
    - Dragon center issues (Unstable, saving issues...)
    - Nahimic Audio issues
    Fix: availaible on MSI Website
    - more reports coming...

    New 15063.138 Intolerable
    - Can't switch from or to integrated graphics (net.framework error)
    - Dragon Center has no GPU data
    - SCM app failure
    - Games crash (League Of Legends)
    - Apps won't work properly
    - more reports coming...

    MSI has updated Nahimic Audio but hasn't really thought of other applications that are critical currently.

    Net.Framework could be the main issue


    You already updated or you were forced to update?
    Here's a fix posted below:


    Option 1:


    Step 1: Open Start Menu and type "Recovery"
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    Step 2: Select "Open System Restore"
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    Step 3: Select "Choose a different restore point"
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    Step 4: Choose the Windows Update that was performed before and that worked flawlessly.
    Then select "Next" and proceed with the instructions that are provided by the software!
    [​IMG]

    Step 5: Wait for everything to finish and enjoy your stable version!

    Option 2:

    Step 1: Open Settings
    Step 2: Click on Update and Security
    Step 3: Click on Windows Update
    Step 4: Click the Update History
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    Step 5: Click the Uninstall Updates Link
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    Step 6: Select the update that last caused issues and click the uninstall button
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    Step 7: Click Yes to confirm
    Step 8: Click the Restart Now to reboot and complete the process

    To prevent the same update installing again you can simply do the following:
    Step 1: Goto Start Menu and type " run"
    Step 2: In the Run Window type " services.msc"
    Step 3: Scroll down until you find " Windows Update" and double click on it
    Step 4: Find " Startup type" and change it from " Enabled" to " Disabled"
    Step 5: Force shutdown
    Note: If Update installed again repeat the process on Option 2:


    FAQ:
    System Restore failed 0x80070005 / other...?
    - Please make sure your Anti-virus has been uninstalled.
    - Don't let the display go to sleep (helped me)
    - Try Safe-Mode.

    I chose the wrong recovery... How do I go back?
    - Go back to Step 3 and instead Select "Undo System Restore" in the main page.
     
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  5. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    See also new Nvidia hotfix driver 381.78 for Windoze Capstone
     
  6. votum

    votum Notebook Consultant

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    Are there new dell drivers for Alienware stuff? The only driver update I have downloaded since the update was NVidia, and my temps are all in check again.
     
  7. Tinderbox (UK)

    Tinderbox (UK) BAKED BEAN KING

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  8. kojack

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    Has anyone noticed a decrease in battery life?
     
  9. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    I put it here as well Windows 10 Crematory Update Annoys Users With Maximum Screen Brightness Battery Warnings - Hothardware.com

    "That would be fine if Windows 10 gave users the option to dismiss the message, but that is not the case. Unless turning down the brightness level, it will show up as a potential health risk, with users forever reminded of it with an icon that appears in the system tray" Nice with a babysitter:D Probably because we the users can't use our own brains o_O

    BTW....:D Edited 04/19/2017
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  10. Vistar Shook

    Vistar Shook Notebook Deity

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    I did a clean install when it came out two weeks ago, everything runs fine... the only annoying issue I am having is in the search, non of my installed programs show up, like word, excel, steam...etc.....is it just me? Files, windows store apps, etc do show up though or I search winword for example.

    UPDATE: fixed the search by enabling "Let apps run in the backgroud".....I can still disable the apps from running in the background individually without affecting the search.
     
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  11. cn555ic

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    Creators update stated improved gaming but I have seen negative FPS with game mode turned on. Without it FPS shoots up significantly.
     
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  12. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    "Win 10 update – called is Redstone 2 will be released in next month, April – 2017 with a series of interesting features, such as: visual reality support, Window My People…"

    Visual reality support? Windows My People?

    We used to call that: What You See Is What You Get, WYSIWYG is back!!! :vbthumbsup:
     
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  13. Rodster

    Rodster Merica

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    Not a big fan of this update. I went from the 1607 build which had 40+/- processes at startup to 112 at startup with build 1703. My baseline memory usage went from 800MB to 1.9GB out of 8GB of memory. I'm using this for a gaming rig I built 4 years ago. While the hardware is still really good to play most games on mid-high to max levels, I don't need to give away those resources to the OS.

    Now onto Windows 10 "Game Mode". From all the reviews and impressions I've read it's a wash and needs a lot of work to really produce the performance of games, Microsoft has touted with this new feature.

    Build 1703 won't even install on my ancient Dell Vostro 1700 with 2GB. During the final phase of the install, I'm greeted with a never ending Windows logo and rotating circle, while build 1607 works just fine. SO if Build 1703 is forced on that laptop I'll have to run Linux Mint.

    The other thing I noticed is that Windows 10 makes things more blatant even telling you that turning off "privacy" settings won't really change anything. Then of course there's the forced updates and forced apps that are downloaded onto your machine which requires you to delete the stuff MS is automatically sending to your computer. That said all of my gaming PC's will be running Windows 8.1 Pro.
     
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  14. Spartan@HIDevolution

    Spartan@HIDevolution Company Representative

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    There are many background apps now that need to be uninstalled (Windows Store apps) using CCleaner in addition to some tasks that run on startup like FamilySaferyMonitor and what not that you can see if you run Autoruns so you can uncheck them.

    don't forget to use O&O ShutUp10 as well

    For your old Dell laptop, try this:

    1) Download the advanced Disk Cleanup shortcut, run it as admin, check all the boxes, then hit ok and let it clean up everything

    2) Disable your Antivirus

    3) Remove any Windows 10 tweaks you may have done with apps like O&O ShutUp10 or Spybot Anti-Beacon or the likes

    4) Reboot

    5) Download the Windows 10 Creators Upgrade Manual upgrade file

    6) Run it as admin and let it download and reboot when prompted

    7) Once you are back in Windows, run the Advanced Disk Cleanup shortcut as admin, check all the boxes, and let it clean up

    8) Go to START > All Programs > Windows System > Control Panel > Programs & Features

    9) Uninstall the Windows 10 Upgrade Assistant located towards the bottom of the apps list

    10) Go to the root of C:\ , then delete the $GetCurrent folder
     
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  15. 3Fees

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    After the creators update, my bluetooth speakers going on causes a reboot,,before the update never a problem,,now I have to have the speakers off and wait till M$ 1703 is fully booted up and then turn the bluetooth speakers on
     
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    Tinderbox (UK) BAKED BEAN KING

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    I have tried the updater app 10 times and it always fails, it downloads the update then spends 30min installing it before showing an failed to install message.

    Windows update says all updates have been installed, maybe my weird boot configuration has it stumped, I tried a clean install a week ago and that failed as well, just giving me an OS not found message, so i though i would go the update route.

    John.
     
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    can you try updating to the latest WLAN/Bluetooth chipset? What WLAN card is in your lappy?
     
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  18. macmyc

    macmyc Notebook Evangelist

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    Has anyone noticed that they added a new setting called "Max CPU Frequency" (not to be confused with Maximum Processor State setting) inside windows power management options? I don't understand what that is supposed to do since the high perfomance profile already caps the CPU at maximum possible frequency.
     
  19. Vistar Shook

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    yes indeed, you can use it to cap the max frequency, for example on battery, to disable turbo boost or lower.
     
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    Aha, good to know. Just tried it and it works as turbo boost got disabled, i guess that's an alternative way to lower the clock speed without touching P states?
     
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    They are touching Throttlestop territory.
     
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    Game mode is useless. Tried it on all my games and the FPS have dropped about 3-4 FPS with it turned on on each game. I updated because I thought it would increase FPS. Wrong
     
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    I have a few issues with mine as I upgraded early. NEVER AGAIN!

    Edge freezes and I get terrible battery life, also, in edge, some websites do not work like they should.
     
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    Vasudev Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    I clean installed W10 CU on older PC and so far its good. I'm holding off upgrades on my main PC until my school work is complete.
     
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    kojack Notebook Prophet

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    Good idea.

    Well...I bit the bullet and went to the fast ring....I do not see any difference other than the people tab on my task bar.
     
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    kojack Notebook Prophet

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    And.....it bit me in the ass! I am now waiting to clone my other hard drive to my Seagate SSHD to get back to where I was. thanks insider program! NEVER AGAIN!
     
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    Starlight5 Yes, I'm a cat. What else is there to say, really?

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    Installed Creators Update on my Thinkpad Yoga 260. Battery life took a hit, it seems. Tried Game Mode in Overwatch, completely useless. Night Light is cute. Wacom driver was installed for my digitizer - rolled back to default Windows driver without problem.
     
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    yeah...CU knocked battery for me too.
     
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