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    Microsoft is NOT GOING to release newer SP2 for Windows 7 because of ugly Windows 8!

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by James D, Oct 25, 2012.

  1. James D

    James D Notebook Prophet

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    As geeks.com says quoting The Register Microsoft is not going to update Windows 7 by SP2!

    If someone doesn't know Service Packs were created not just to put in one all previously released updates but also sometimes it adds newer features and practically can change old OS into smth new. Like it happened with luggish Vista and XP SP1 before. Also it means that it will be created new version of DVD distributive where all will be packed very well, deleted all junk and backups of all updates and other

    In fact even on SSDs nowadays boot times of just installed Windows 7 and Same OS but with installed updates from Windows Update Center are drastic. It can increase from 7 seconds to 15 or even 20 seconds!

    Not mentioning that it will take A LOT time downloading all that updates which may add from 15 minutes to hours of updating which depends on Internet speed and drives speed (on SSDs it will be faster than on HDDs).

    As I install OS oftenly (i have many lame friends and other) I was waiting for new SP2 for Windows 7 for last half a year... And now because of ugly Windows 8 Microsoft decides to just leave it! ??!

    This is another reason why I hate Windows 8 and Microsoft.
     
  2. Pirx

    Pirx Notebook Virtuoso

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    I wouldn't worry too much. They're going to have to extend Windows 7 support for a long time anyway, given the disaster that is Windows 8. But of course, right now they're trying their very best to get people to buy this cr@p. Good luck to them.
     
  3. killkenny1

    killkenny1 Too weird to live, too rare to die.

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    That actually kinda sucks. I was looking forward on getting some of the neat features from Windows 8 Windows 7 way. Oh well, whatever.
     
  4. JOSEA

    JOSEA NONE

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    Great Points here! This may be a blessing in disguise though, what if the "neat" features ^^^ turn out the be the dreaded tiles. I really attempted to get used to 8 in a VM but recently deleted all traces of it. Personally my experience with 8 has lead me to experiment with Ubuntu 12 and it reinvigorated my aging Dell D610 circa 2006.
     
  5. Shemmy

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    While I do believe that most of your post raises valid concerns, I think this one point is a little silly. There has never been a guarantee from Microsoft (that I've been aware of, at least) that any of their operating systems would get a service pack. Yes, we all know that they are inevitable, but do we really believe that MS is supposed to promise us X number of SPs?
     
  6. Pirx

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    No, they haven't promised, but this would not be the first time when they were forced to provide Service Packs even though they previously had no intention of doing so. This happened with Windows XP, for example. I fully expect Windows 7 to become the new Windows XP, given how Windows 8 turns out to be the new Vista... :rolleyes:
     
  7. James D

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    To bring you back to reality:
    - It is not a dream of all my life to get SP2 for Windows 7
    - I was not sitting with hands on my laps for half a year
    - and waiting and waiting and waiting as a bless for a SP2 looking at Windows Update Center LOL.

    And of course I don't need their official approval because most if not all Service Packs did not have certain release date told to everyone.

    But I am experienced enough to predict SP2 for Windows 7. And I am sure it would be created if not a big surprise FOR MICROSOFT NOT FOR END USERS that their Windows 8 without taskbar it total cr@p.

    BTW just google SP2 for Windows 7 and you will find many rumors about release date in the 2nd half of 2012
     
  8. mastsethi

    mastsethi Notebook Enthusiast

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    Come on! Abusing MS and Windows 8 doesn't make you look cool. Had Microsoft come up with an OS similar to win 7 and Vista, people would have hated them even.
     
  9. booboo12

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    I'm pretty sure that hearing it from thirdhand sources is nothing like hearing it from Microsoft proper. I'm pretty sure Windows 7 will have another service pack or so. Service packs historically haven't included huge updates to the user experience save for XP SP2. (which some would argue was almost a new OS in itself in terms of re-engineering for security)
     
  10. Quadzilla

    Quadzilla The eye is watching you

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    Windows 8 could have been fine with an On/Off switch for all the tile garbage being forced upon us.

    All they would have to do is just give you the consumer a simple choice how you want to manipulate the OS and the welcome would have been far warmer then it is now.

    Who knows though maybe with enough backlash from the Windows fans of dare i say old they will eventually update it to give us that choice.

    I know there is layers of other junk in Windows 8 that people do not want besides the Slate interface but hey they have to start somewhere :).

    I will certainly be sticking with Windows 7 as long as humanly possible at this point so SP2 would be very welcome by me for security/fixes etc.

    Pirx is right they will more then likely have to keep supporting it for sometime to come.
     
  11. Peon

    Peon Notebook Virtuoso

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    1) This sounds like hearsay - the article doesn't provide any quotes or names.
    2) Even if it were true, Microsoft has been forced to change their minds many times in the past. Remember how Microsoft wanted to tie IE versions to OS releases until Firefox came along?
    3) As mentioned by other posters, Microsoft has never even mentioned a Windows 7 SP2, much less promised one.
     
  12. booboo12

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    :O Logic and reason? In a Windows 8 thread? Color me surprised and impressed. :)
     
  13. Primes

    Primes Notebook Deity

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    It's too bad MS legally killed off the free Autopatcher software. It was a program that downloaded all the windows updates and rolled them into customized installer so you could choose what to install similar to Nlite. It saved lots of time when you had to reinstall.
     
  14. baii

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    Not sure why SP2 is anticipated.... that's like buying a laptop and expect free upgrade before new gen come out.
     
  15. Mitlov

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    Has Microsoft in the past ever released a service pack for a version of Windows after there's a newer version of Windows out? i.e., did one of the XP service packs come out after Vista's release, or did a Vista service pack come out after Win 7's release?
     
  16. Pirx

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    Yes and almost: Windows XP SP3 was released after the release of Vista. Vista SP2 was released about two months before the release of Windows 7.
     
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    TANWare Just This Side of Senile, I think. Super Moderator

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    Actually no, if the performance enhancements along with running MinWin with a 100% win7 shell would have been a blessing. The added securuity from having the shell pulled from the OS would be welcome also. The old Metro thing is just M$ trying to reinvent the steering and other controls of the car we comute with daily, we still get there just a bit more frustrated...........................

    Edit, I think what was hoped for is windows 7 to inherit minwin in SP2 :(
     
  19. Deks

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    Hm...
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but Windows 8 was built using Windows 7 as a template, was it not?
    So, technically speaking, wouldn't it be possible for MS to provide all of the 'under the hood' enhancements (faster boot, features, optimizations, etc.) they made in Windows 8 and provide them to Windows 7 (minus the UI) in a service pack type release?

    It would have been easier like that seeing how the template should be the same and I'd rather they released Windows 8 as a completely new OS that doesn't share the underlying template with the previous versions.
    This seems more like an update (such as 7 was to Vista).

    Other than that... my friend is working as a professional in the IT field and is currently going to Win 8 training classes (paid for by his company).
    He says the new UI isn't so bad once you get to know how it works.
    Well, one cannot really operate anything without learning how it works in the first place (so adaptation on our part would be in order) ... but, MS forcing the new UI down on people like this is a bit too much - they could have done it half-way more or less and completing the transition in Win 9 release (for example).

    Besides, the Tile interface is not exactly what I'd call aesthetically pleasing.
     
  20. HTWingNut

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    The tiles look like an organized mess. I can't find what I need quickly and easily. It's like throwing all your file folders on the floor as your filing system, and have to remember which room you threw it in.
     
  21. booboo12

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    it can be overwhelming at first boot, but spend a min or two to create named groups of your favorite apps (and prune ones from the screen that you wont use often/can search for) and it can really be nice.



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  22. HTWingNut

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    Ok, how do I create named groups? That's the other problem I have. Nothing is intuitive. Nothing. You spend lots of time looking and searching. That's completely opposite of what they wanted to achieve. When you have a mouse with at least 3 buttons, and these days many more, why do I have to make mouse gestures to do things?

    And how do I make groups wider than two boxes wide?

    edit: I got it figured out... not liking this.
     
  23. Peon

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    The rationale here is similar to the Office 2003 to Office 2007 transition. At first, people complained about the Ribbon interface, but over time they got used to it. By the time Office 2010 was released, there was barely a whimper over Ribbon since most people started preferring it over the old menu system.

    Microsoft is hoping that the same sort of resistance-followed-by-acceptance pattern happens with Metro- er, I mean, Modern UI. In fact, if everything goes according to plan, I wouldn't be surprised if Windows 9 completely removes the desktop and with it all legacy application support (even on x86-64), as Windows 7 will be a two generation old OS by then. Of course, there's the equally likely possibility that people will cling to Windows 7 the way they clung to XP a couple years ago and Modern UI will be a complete failure...

    Time will tell :)
     
  24. hockeymass

    hockeymass that one guy

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    I'm not a change-averse person. I was very much into the ribbon interface because I thought it made sense. I don't think the Win8 interface changes make sense for the majority of conventional PC users and having used them, I hate them. I greatly resent the attitude of Windows 8 supporters that believe that anyone who dislikes the new interface is a curmudgeon who just hasn't gotten used to it.
     
  25. Skareem2

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    to make a group zoom out using pinch to zoom on your touch pad or the minus sign in the bottom right of the start screen
    right click the group you want to name
    click name that pops up @ the bottom
    simple
     
  26. hockeymass

    hockeymass that one guy

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    Lol, in what way is that simple or intuitive?
     
  27. HTWingNut

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    That doesn't work. I have to zoom out all the tiles right click the group in the upper right hand corner then click rename. But it won't let me put more than two columns side by side