More Windows 10 shenanigans - Anniversary Update - all kernel mode drivers must be signed

This is not good news at all.

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/...drivers-must-be-digitally-signed-by-microsoft

So those of us using unofficial drivers to make things work? Yeah that's done. If its not signed by Microsoft, it won't work anymore. The vast amount of drivers that don't have Microsoft signatures is staggering... And this is effectively the end of modded drivers.

Okay so I dug a bit deeper.

http://www.ghacks.net/2016/07/28/windows-10-version-1607-driver-signing-changes/

For now, just turn off Secure Boot if you're using it. Of course, Microsoft can change course on that at any time. It also only affects new installations from 1607 on up, not upgrades, so if you're already running Windows 10 you don't have to worry about it... For now. Microsoft clearly is flexing their muscles more and more with each "update," taking away user power bit by bit... And I'm pissed about not being able to disable Cortana anymore without using a hack tool or going through a bunch of self hacks to do it.

Going through using the Kernel Mode Drivers Manager - http://www.downloadcrew.com/article/27494-kernel_mode_drivers_manager - I have discovered that my VPN would be broken, my Broadcom WiFi would be broken, and so would my Intel ethernet adapter. So no internet and no secure internet. Lovely.

 

Glad I jumped ship few days ago, downgraded to 8 + GWX + Classic shell.
Does that mean If I clean install Windows 10, I won't able to used a modded driver for my 980M?
PS3 controller driver and synaptics latest driver strangely requires driver signature disabled. EDIT: exceptions are secureboot-less systems, never used that crap anyway.

 

It seems a logical step for secureboot-enabled systems. However, disabling that crap can be very challenging on some machines.

 

And witch of the big OEM's will be the frontman with fully locked down Firmvare in all their new models aka no possibility to disable secure boot?

 

The biggest issue I see is that Microsoft has seemingly left it open... meaning that they can change their stance at any time and start enforcing it period regardless of the conditions. It was definitely irritating to find that I would be without internet or VPN though... All of my other kernel mode drivers are signed, even the ASUS stuff.

Going to Linux isn't an option for me... not until I get a real monitor... Scaling is worse than Windows 10... Going back to 8.1 isn't an option either and neither is 7. 7 will take hours and hours to install and update, I can't stand 8.1 and never could, and quite frankly 10 is a damn good OS... Microsoft is just messing it up... More and more with each update... And my Xbox is about to get the Anniversary treatment too..............

But yes, it does spell some doom and gloom for when Microsoft gets the OEMs to agree to Secure Boot out of the box. No more open source (VirtualBox? Nope). No more HID 3rd party drivers like MotionInJoy or DS4Tool... Serious ramifications.

 

Does Windows have a built-in function to show (signed/unsigned) kernel mode drivers?

 

The kernel mode manager app I posted makes it easy. Filter out Microsoft signatures and then right click and verify signature on down the list.

 

More reason people will dump Windows 10.

They have the cumulative W7 update to April 2016 so installing it isn't going to take hours.

In the eye of the beholder only. If it was that good why is it still dead last with XP. That is more then enough to inform everyday users they don't trust Windows 10 nor want Windows 10. And all their games they play just helps to turn off more people then they like to get using it.

 

I have never had stability issues with Windows 10. I can't say that for 7 or 8.1 and 10 just absolutely flies. From the time I see the RoG logo to the time I'm at the desktop (including entering my PIN) is 12 seconds and half that is the lock screen.

Windows 7 doesn't work correctly in UEFI and ASUS boards aren't known to work well with the CSM enabled. I never liked 8.1 so that leaves 10 or macOS.

 

Zero stability issues with windows 7, and I have hacked the hell out of the registry... . Boot times are an irrelevant stat that means pretty much nothing. You stick a crappy gui on today's hardware, anything will seem like it flies. I can turn classic mode on in windows 7, and have that same feeling. If I have to look at my computer screen for long periods of time, it might as well look nice.

 

Well good that 7 is stable on your machine but my ASUS board doesn't like it at all. So it's either 8.1, 10, or macOS, all of which my ASUS board fully supports but I don't like 8.1 even after a lot of tweaking so 10 it is.

 

Just because yours only properly works with W10 does not mean most of us out here are not better off with W7. It may be just as fast is not faster, have more eye candy and be as, if not more, reliable.

I decided to give W10 one more chance listening to voices such as your own, TBH it sucks as bad as the day I gave up on it if not even worse now. I am holding on but not by much, something looks like it will break soon without some drastic changes, that I don't see ever happening.

 

I had 8.1 on a surface pro, and didnt mind it too much. Start is back, and aero glass, made it palatable, but the horrendous modern (moDUMB) apps, just makes it unusable for me. I like to tweak my OS to my liking, and trying to find buried classic apps, is just a pain in the rear. I am sure with use, I would find my way around, but the complete lack of total control over my system is a deal breaker.

 

You might find this hard to believe but Microsoft make it easy to disable UEFI Secure Boot on Surface Pro 4 and I assume similar on SP3 and Surface Book. In fact, unlike most other systems I've encountered, they offer *three* settings for UEFI security in the firmware menu: Microsoft only, Microsoft + 3rd party CA, and none.

 

Well, I got Windows 7x64 Ult Sp1 with Asrock Z97 UEFI board and OC 4.2ghz i5-4960K and have no problems. And you forgot Linux....

 

Linux isn't an option without a real monitor. Scaling is worse than Windows 10.

ASUS boards are finicky. I tried Windows 7 on mine twice and both times it was an unstable mess and since I use the AiSuite software to control the fans on my H100i, I need an OS that it works properly on. My H100i came with Corsair Link and I never got it to work so both fans are plugged into the motherboard and I use AiSuite to set the fans on silent. For some reason the UEFI refuses to do it despite it being set to.

 

@Ethrem - what is it about Windows 8 that makes you hate it?

 

BTW @Ethrem which model Asus motherboard do you have that has trouble with Windows 7??

And, Windows 8.1 with a few tweaks looks like / works like Windows 7, and you can get rid of all that Metro stuff, uninstalling the apps and disappearing the Metro screen.

 

Where, though?

 

Where what? Where did he say that, I don't have the links, look at his postings, they have been recent.

 

8.1 has a lot of background garbage that I've never been able to turn off. It's not such a problem on the desktop but the laptop I have to put in power saver mode if I don't want the CPU fan going every time the system idles. I've deleted all the idle tasks, I've disabled the idle tasks since it puts them back on, I've tried a bunch of things online and none of them worked. I don't have an 8.1 license for my desktop and I'm sure not going to buy one.

My build is an ASUS Maximus VI Formula with a 4790K @ 1.2v/4.6GHz. I don't own a license for 8.1 for the desktop anyway, just my 8.1 Pro for the laptop and a 7 Pro and 10 Pro are my desktop options. 7 doesn't ever want to be stable and I think it's actually my 32GB of RipjawsX it doesn't like but I'm not willing to drop to 16GB of RAM.

 

Weird, I haven't run across that RAM unstable on different OS's, but makes sense.

I wouldn't want to drop memory size either. I suppose you bumped up Voltage and trimmed timings. Too bad, I hate debugging borderline stable memory too

 

The odd thing is that it's actually incredibly stable normally. They're Micron 1.5v CL 9 9-9-9-24 2T chips that both overclock and can do tighter timings than stock (even a 1T command rate). I suppose it could be an incompatibility with the ASUS tools but sitting in a room with stock Corsair fans blaring in a push configuration would drive anyone mad... AiSuite shuts them down to where they are practically imperceptible unless I'm rendering fractals or something when they spin up a touch.

 

http://hothardware.com/news/linux-u...rsary-update-hoses-their-dual-boot-partitions

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/08/windows-10-anniversary-update-delete-partition

https://linux.slashdot.org/story/16...anniversary-update-borks-dual-boot-partitions

http://windowsreport.com/partition-disappears-windows-10-anniversary-update/

Windows 10 deleting data even on Windows partitions.

 

Ah, now that makes sense, playing with AiSuite versions to get a good build

I wonder if Windows 10 mucks with memory timings, and that's what makes it work on Windows 10? Maybe check the memory "settings" with CPU-Z on both OS's... I guess AiSuite should show that too, but might be good to double check.

Fan control is very important. I usually set it in the Asus BIOS, but maybe your model doesn't have the fan curve option in the BIOS?

 

It has the fan curve but it ignores it.

I've checked the timings and they are all correct. I was actually messing with the desktop last night since I was testing for Papusan and was using AiSuite (XTU doesn't work on my board at all) and I went through CPU-Z while I was at it.

I'm probably going to just suck it up and pick up another 8.1 Pro license though... I'm kind of sick of Microsoft's little experiment for now.

Of course this means that should I reinstall Windows 10 later, my VPN, my Wi-Fi, and my Ethernet won't work...

 

The only proper response is to format the Windows partition(s) first before Windows 10 comes for your Linux partitions!!

 

To be fair, this isn't exactly new... It's been recommended whenever installing Windows to disconnect or disable Linux drives for years because of the damage that Windows can do to a working Linux system. With Windows 10 these are no longer incremental updates but full reinstallations of Windows with every milestone release. Still inexcusable but not new.

 

The pain and misery it causes never gets old either

 

"
I cant disable telemetry anymore.
Spybot Anti-Beacon wont work (you can immunize telemetry but if you open the program again it show that is unimmunize again),group policy setting for telemetry wont let you disable it no more and in regedit HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\DataCollection there is no more ”Allow Telemetry” regkey. Anybody knows other tricks for disable it?
"

 

The solution is the same as the the last, format all Windows 10 partitions

One of the features of the Anniversary Edition is to disable the disablements that used to work by disabling Group Policy changes, so says MS - at least in Windows 10 Pro.

Apparently this includes tweaks in the regular Windows 10 edition(s).

I would do some googling for a new solution, and check for tweak app updates over the next days / weeks.

When you do find out how, or find out it's impossible to stop now, please come back and let us know.

 

Doesn't affect the Enterprise version or?

 

It's too early to tell, I can't find any mention of telemetry disable failing in Windows 10 Anniversary Update yet, you are the first I have seen reporting disabling Telemetry in Windows 10 has stopped working.

It was expected, what with privacy options being disabled in the Windows 10 Pro Edition by removing Group Policy controls, it makes sense MS would disable the previously working Registry hacks in the lower editions.

 

It's a quote from another site

 

I just noted the "'s, is this what happened to you, or did you quote someone else?

I found the quote here:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1607699/...-update-the-road-to-redstone/10#post_25405367

Is that you? Or is that what you quoted from?

 

Quoted from

 

Ok, that's cool, if it's wide spread we should hear more such reports, and get some details from debugging soon enough

 

Well I managed to get Windows 7 up and running... it wasn't easy but I figured it out... I was able to split my RAID basically in half and used the empty to space to set up a dual boot for 7 and 10. I'll be sticking with 7 until things settle down with 10...

 

Wow, that's great news.

What was the final bit to flip to get 7 installed and stable?

 

I had to let the BIOS flip the CSM switch by itself. I tried installing in UEFI mode and it rebooted as soon as the kernel loaded, dumped me to an AMIBIOS screen that says the CSM was enabled, and from there it went through. No idea why me manually changing it didn't fix it.

As for AiSuite, it took me a few hours of juggling but I figured it out. I was missing the MEI. Now I have my system set up and silent mode is actually quieter than it was in 10. Can't hear my fans at all unless I throw wPrime at it which kicks them up just a notch.

I hadn't tried Windows 7 since I put the firmware update to support Devil's Canyon on here so who knows if they fixed it between my 4770K and 4790K but its fine now. USB 3 and all. There's one unknown device but I don't really care about that.

Microsoft has also made it easier to do phone registration... they send you a text and you enter in the number blocks on a website on your phone. Took me less than 3 minutes to get it activated.

Updates though, those were a royal pain. Its all settled now though.

 

Opened a new Thread to track this problem RE: Steam

Steam Problems after Windows 10 Anniversary Update
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/steam-problems-after-windows-10-anniversary-update.794574/

It seems to be causing lots of trouble beyond the announced changes.

MSI Gaming Center is broken by the Anniversary update:

Windows Anniversary Update killed Dragon Gaming Center
https://www.reddit.com/r/msilaptops/comments/4w2yjc/_/

And Steam problems (wow, it's happening already...)

Civilization 5. It says "preparing to install 1%" then says "The Steam Servers Are Too Busy To Handle Your Request. Error Code (2)" (I already have the data files, it's already downloaded/installed". I've reinstalled game/steam multiple times, verified game cache, googled it and cant find a fix ;~;
https://www.reddit.com/r/steam/comments/4w2hl2/_/

Dr_Injection 4 points 10 hours ago*
"Having the exact same issue. It seems to be affecting any game I tried to download after the Win10 anniversary update. Changing the DL server had no effect (the filed DLed fine the error occurs when you try 1st launch of game).

Edit: So Civ V and XCOM EW didn't work but Shadowrun Dragonfall did. I suspect it is because SR doesn't actually use Steam DRM."

 

So, tell me - are ads and telemetry in 10 Pro impossible to disable after Adversary Anniversary update - or not?

 

Microsoft uses data gathered from telemetry to reduce Windows 10 Anniversary Update rollback period
http://betanews.com/2016/08/04/roll-back-from-windows-10-anniversary-update/

"If you've upgraded to Windows 10 Anniversary Update, you only have 10 days in which to roll back to your previous operating system if you change your mind. This is a dramatic reduction from the 30 days Microsoft allowed users previously.

As noted by Richard Hay on WinSuperSite, the latest big update to Windows 10 slashes this period by two thirds. This is not just an arbitrary change, however. Microsoft says it is based on data gathered via telemetry."

 

Dunnow if that's really Windows 10's fault. The six Steam games I have on my SP4 all started just fine after installing the update. Will try getting Civ V going later today.

This is likely a kernel driver being blocked. Same or similar thing happens with Intel XTU and MBAE.

 

It's either not getting noticed, or being reported in unrelated threads, as found by @Kana Chan above.

You can try and if you find Telemetry disables are broken, you can rollback - the Anniversary Edition cuts back the time you have to rollback from 30 days to 10 days, so check quickly

Please come back and let us know how it works out

 

Yes, please do, it may be related to DRM as one of the posts said some games worked and some didn't after the Anniversary update:

"Edit: So Civ V and XCOM EW didn't work but Shadowrun Dragonfall did. I suspect it is because SR doesn't actually use Steam DRM."

And, it may be for new installs only for some games, while some games already installed are affected.

It could also be a coincidence with the problems happening at the same time as Windows 10 Anniversary Update rolls out, and it's purely a Steam problem

 

What is the Vendor ID on your unknown device? I am kind of anal about my device manager having an unknown device.

 

@hmscott I would like a confirmation from someone on NBR. I personally didn't receive the update yet.

 

I agree, it's best, but there are contradictory reports, with @Ethrem not seeing any change to his Windows 10 Pro Group Policy options - that's different than regular Windows 10 versions losing Telemetry registry effective control, but odd none-the-less.

YMMV, no matter what is reported is what I am saying.

Plus, do you really have a choice getting Updates with Windows 10?? I don't run it so I don't know, but I thought they were forced updates. How long can you delay?

 

Driver signing problem then?