Most people say windows 7 is really good! What do you say?

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Most of the people that tried windows 7 says it is really good.

They say, Its performance is better than vista!

and its visual is like vista...

What do you think?

 

I think you should read the W7 section here on NBR.

 

I don't know HOW good it is as I haven't used it, but I think that I have chosen an excellent time to switch (to PCs, that is). The only way it could have been better would be that pcs already shipped with Windows 7 and they had the bugs et al sorted out. That would have been great.

 

I have used W7 for some time and it is pretty good, it is quite responsive, but still has some flaws, which are expected from a beta release.

Once it is installed, usually you will fond that there is a driver missing or actually a drive or port that is not recognized.

 

Many people on these threads here say that Windows 7 Beta runs very well on their systems. Some have installed the beta on their old boxes that are several years old which breathed new life into them (I intend to do the same with an old box I have at home). Even in a virtual environment, Windows 7 performs very well as well as systems with only 512 MB of memory.

Bottom line, Windows 7 is awesome.

 

What do I think? I think it's Vista SP 3.

 

I dislike the new taskbar as it's an unproductive mess and has a lot of visual details wrong which make orientation on it much more problematic than on the vista taskbar.

besides that, it's a good improvement over vista. I agree with ocelot, it's sp3 with stupid gui changes (and a lot of good gui changes, too )

 

I also agree wth Ocelot that it is Vista SP3 (not that I know if there is an SP2 for Vista at all *goes to look for it*).

I would also say I prefer the GUI of Vista to W7, the taskbar looks like it's twice the size of the Vista one for a start. But then I use windowblinds with the Alienware Xenomorph theme on my Asus, and I'm assuming that'd work in W7 as well...

I know MS want to "improve" on Vista but the GUI wasn't the issue, it was what was in the background afaik.

 

I think I'll check on reviews when RTM hits the deck, as for now - pass go, collect $200.

 

I really for one like the new taskbar. IMO, it's more organized than the previous iterations, and essentially combines the quick launch bar with the regular task bar.

 

quicklaunch is the worst thing that ever got created (and did so by accident). win7 is better than the quicklaunch chaos most people have, but nothing is as clean and organized as removing quicklaunch alltogether.

the idea was to pin applications to the startmenu (like "Internet" and "E-Mail" are). much bigger target to hit with the mouse. much more organised.

but quicklaunch is "the thing" that people know how to handle. it's strange, but fun to see how people abuse it for all sorts of fancy things.

taskbar faults:
by default too high
by default only buttons, text labels are helpful
by default all fused => more work to select an individual window
by default only buttons => small target to hit with the mouse. my taskbar buttons are maximized to as wide as possible, much easier to target.
preview windows are much too small, mine are about 1/6th of the screen, so you can actually view some thing on them.
start button does not have visible clickdown
taskbar buttons don't have visible clickdown
when text is enabled, the active taskbar button is much too bright, text bad to read.

well, that's all i get from brain (at a friday afternoon there isn't much brain left for thinking)

 

I had it triple booting on an old custom built Northwood P4 that was like 3 years old. The only thing running things smoothly on there was the Radeon 9800 we had in it. Compared directly to Vista on that machine, it just felt the same. Except the defaults on the task bar was irritating because I couldn't find the setting right away to put the text back. Also the task bar was really huge imo, and I don't know how that will fair on netbooks. Though, making the icons small again did fix things back to how it was on Vista, which was a lot better. Once I found those settings I had no problems with the task bar and actually started liking it.
All those other things, like "easier" wifi, and the libraries, I didn't even really pay attention to, I don't think anyone will really pay attention to those, maybe those who are excited for it, but average users will never see those, or use them to their full extent.
Really, in the end, it was really like an SP3 for me for Vista. It was mostly GUI. I didn't notice any change in speed running it on that computer. Obviously, XP SP3 booted faster, but in the end Vista and 7 felt really stable.
I would say if anything, this is like Apple with OS X. If anything, Microsoft just copied Apple's marketing of their OS updates, because this really felt like it was just a ton of GUI elements, and some tweaks on the hood (similar to how Apple does their OSes, what's new in Snow Leopard? No big GUI changes, it's all under the hood, but yet it's still OS X). I'm not bashing 7, but if you have Vista, I don't think there's much to look forward too, if you're on XP this will be a much smoother transition to since a lot more things are working. Just remember the compatibility is the same as Vista, Win7 is 100% backward compatible with Vista, as Ballmer said I believe, but the computers now come with enough ram to run things smoothly. The only way I see Win7 appeal to Vista owners is if the price was at 130$, and there was only one package to buy, like how it is with Apple's updates (does not own any Apple computers, lol.)

 

I prefer Vista over Win 7. First, I have Office 2007 Enterprise, Visual Studio 2008 Professional, and WinRAR Professional on my computer. It's not very easy for me to reinstall this software, and therefore I am forced to use freeware on 7. Also, countless seemingly small errors are in the Windows 7 Beta and it adds up too much for it to be usable for anything but simple web browsing.

 

funny, those three are no problem to install, and very fast to do so imho. (i just had to install the whole adobe suite for helping out a friend. quadcore, 4gb ram, raid0 with ssd's. and it took over an hour.. scary

 

I agree that W7 is Vista RIGHT NOW...

Because "gadgets" still run as "Sidebar" in the Task Manager!!!


But all I can say is that i've had more problems with Vista than Windows 7 BETA... hahaha



Oh yeah this is on my MacBook under Bootcamp or VMware (I chose)

 

Just virtualize it

 

I have had Win 7 on my desktop since Feb 21st and I am very happy with it. I installed it over the XP partition on an XP/Vista dual-booter. My Creative sound card never worked in XP and it works very well in Win 7 (with drivers off of the install CD). It boots fast and I have only had a couple of minor glitches involving the desktop not being completely built after booting. Older games run fine, Office 2003 works fine - I did have to DL the new version of Skype. From what I have seen so far, MS has finally brought out an OS to replace XP.

 

My sentiments exactly. This is what I thought Vista was GOING to be. So far my experience has been pretty smooth. Amazing thing is that it seems Windows 7 beta runs better than Vista SP1.

 

Can you add some screenshots of the desktop? or features?

 

Windows 7 is a .1 release. It's basically Vista with the spit shine. So in that respect it's really not worth the fuss.

Still monumentally inferior to OSX.

 

Very much so, OS X, Linux and other Unix-like OSes(and several other OSes) are HUGELY ahead of Windows.
Windows is on 10 year old+ code here......OS X is on about 10 year(with a lot of rewrights of many parts, no doubt) and linux about the same(no code is shared from Linux 0.1 to 2.6, really). Even OS/2 was far better then NT or 9x was.
I think Microsoft won't be able to pull it off because it looks so much different then XP, which is what most people use(even looks a lot different from Vista). Oddly, they took obvious cues from The KDE Project and OS X's Aqua interface.
That said it could pull it off but MS has gotten a lot of bad rep with Vista, The Zune, and layoffs recently so who knows.

 

I am running win 7 x64 build 7048 and its suppose to be better but I have experienced some issues in this build that I did not in the first. Specifically when choosing various wallpapers it cranks the brightness on the picture to a silly level. this makes every picture you have look way way way overexposed.

Ive tried lots of different things including changing my video driver many times and its an os issue.

overall though I like it as a system.

 

sais the one with the os that gets cracked in any contest with ease.

osx is nice for its 3% market share. and will be nice while it stays there. /me runs away

 

In regards to comparing OSX to Windows. Windows 7 is better than any OSX I've tried on lower spec machines. Win7 runs great on 512mb with not much lag, but OSX(even Leopard) lags alot on Macs with 512mb-1gb.

 

Didn't you know that the code was completely re-written 2 yrs back with Vista?

 

In terms of eye candies?

 

You're confusing OSX vulnerability with Safari vulnerability. I use Firefox

So it's like saying that Windows security sucks because IE is rubbish and full of holes, to a user that doesn't use IE....

Seriously though, having used Vista and Windows 7, I can honestly say that OSX is a breath of fresh air in comparison. IMHO, Windows needs to trim the fat seriously before it becomes a contender. If they stripped down windows, got rid of the registry etc.. then it would be one hell of an OS.

Until it does that however, it feels and behaves like a bad bloated patchwork OS, even Windows 7.

That's why I say that Windows 7 doesn't offer much apart from Vista with a spit shine. So if that's "good", then I guess Windows 7 is quite good?

 

It's hard to argue points with people who very obviously taken sides already. There's almost no chance of convincing any of you anyway, Captain Fail is already on a Mac and obviously loves OSX. Your not going to be able to convince no matter how true your facts are hahah.

That said being said, I don't see any attraction for OSX for me even with all the special eye candy. Having used Linux, OSX, and XP/Vista/7 for awhile...well, none of them are perfect, but OSX is no more awesome for me than XP/Vista/7. Linux was fun to play around with, but a real pain in the to really use everyday on a laptop. Either way, I do game a lot and I really do need the native support...

 

I agree, which is why they should give users the option to configure it to functionally work close to XP, but still have the W7 feel. You will never win anyone over by changing most everything and expect them to like it.

 

Let see:

(1). Lot of cool software for Windows and maybe 1 or 2 titles for OS X.

(2). Windows can update drivers and I can manage drivers from the device manager. OS X - what is a driver.

(3). Windows does not cost a lot to run. You spend a hefty tax to run OS X on hardware that Steve tell you to buy.

(4). Windows can run new killer games. OS X runs Solitaire great.

(5). OS X ask for you life history when setting up OS X for the first time. Windows has a 25 digit key and a simple authentication.

(6). Windows UAC is simple and works very well. OS X ask you to enter a password every time you want to do something.

The list goes on but I got stuff to do and will stop there.

 

Windows 7 on my broken lap (in repairs) with a 1.8GHz C2D and 1GB ran really fast and almost no hiccups when I used it. It choked on Vista Business (not bashing Vista, just saying it's slow on this laptop).

And Windows 7 ran well on this desktop (uninstalled it though since I use XP more here). It sort of lagged with the transparency (not super laggy), but when I turned it off, it was perfect.

Still deciding if I should wait for RC or install 704X/705X.

 

So what is the official / unofficial release date again? Sometime end of this year?

 

August IIRC?

 

Hmm I wonder why somebody with a mac avatar and a sig full of apple stuff would say something like that?

 

i used osx as i used mac os around 10 years ago. in all those years, not much have changed. how about fresh air for osx?

and about removing stuff like the registry. it doesn't really exist in vista in any form you'd expect it. it's completely virtualized in different files per user, per program, and for the system itself.

most of the old stuff the unsecure stuff got removed in windows. but it's still backwards compable to have secured ways to still handle that crappy old stuff.

if you learn a bit about the backends of vista/win7 you'll learn that both have very low amount in common with xp, which had nearly none in common with 98-friends. and still they "behave the same".

removing fat, maybe. but current windows are secure, stable, fast. and even me, on a 32gb ssd, don't care about the fatness on-disk.

and if you want to tell me osx is any better, then i can tell you i'd have switched long ago if that where true. it may be better for the people who have some photos, some music, and some internet. then again, a phone is enough for them. but for someone who does quite a bit of its life with it, the mac doesn't give me any gain, but quite some losses.

and still, after those years, it's awkward to use for me.

still, anything that fits your boat, no problem. just don't bash windows for stuff that isn't true.

 

I see...so now it is a crime to say that OS X is better for yourself?

P.S. captain fail was huge lover of windows before switching.

P.P.S. and before calling me a fanboy,take a look at my sig

 

You are a fanboy, a CIN fanboy...

 

I am... can't argue with that...

 

I haven't a problem with mac users. But they shouldn't base their knowledge on how superior it is on old facts that are not true anymore. That's all.

With Vista (and so with Win7 for the majority), a lot of security features changed under the hood. A lot of old jokes on windows got fixed that way. Still pointing on them is ridiculous and makes the pointee look stupid.

He may still be in love with his apple (and he should, he payed a lot for his very own apple reality distortion field ).

but if you're serious and open to any of the systems and use them all (and sometimes get forced to them), you should notice that apple is rather behind in a lot of things. they just stay small, and that's fine. they stay very closed, thats not fine. but bashing windows is just soooo hip, it's ridiculous.

I don't know what he switched from. but if he still believes in the registry joke, then i'd guess from xp. there, the registry was better, more virtualized than on pre-nt systems, but still far away from perfect. but we're not in 2001 anymore.

 

I see your point. Win may for work you,but for some it does not- I own 9 different PCs ATM(HP HDX 18,HP Elitebook 8530w and Compaq 7400,Dell m4400,Lenovo x200 and x301,IBM x40 and 2 desktops) and just 1 mac,and I think that the points Captain F maid are close to reality...after all,he just said what he thinks!

Let me put it this way-
1)Apple now costs more then HP+Dell
2)they passed 10% of OS "share"
3)their "sell numbers" and profits continue to go up

this can't happen just bc apple has crazy fanboys who buy everything with apple logo on it!

 

For some reason...every time you post, you always forgot to include spaces sometimes in your sentences... Also have to say...Captain Fail's points are not very technically based, he's just arguing from his standpoint without using any evidence or factual based claims. I do have to agree with davpermen here that Fail hasn't really tried to fully argue his point through.

 

Sorry,but I fail to understand your post...please rephrase.

 

Do you know ANYTHING about Vista?
Vista is Windows NT 6.1........
Vista started out as Longhorn which was a rewright(for some parts) but was scrapped and bassed on Windows Server 2003.

Yea, when Windows 7 comes out it has 2 competitors from MS alone, XP and Vista. Not to mention Linux in the enterprise/server market and OS X in the Desktop/Media environment.

 

To sum it up, fanboys are full of empty facts. You claim that windows sucks but at the same time cant back it up.

Really, windows is way ahead of OS X. 7 is going to lay the smack down on OS X really soon. Just look how MS has driven hardware progression by helping out with new standards. I really dont see apple doing that.

 

It's still Beta version, right? When the Final version will be released?

 

ONCE AGAIN-
1)I NEVER SAID THAT WINDOWS SUCKS!
2)I OWN 9 WINDOWS MACHINES,HOW CAN YOU CALL ME "APPLE FANBOY"?

 

I like Vista but Windows 7 is also not bad. Just want to get rid of that annoying message whenever I try to copy,delete,paste files as well as reinstallation and installations.

 

Thread closed to prevent a flame war(remember that everything has pros and cons...choose what ever suits your needs/wants the best).

If you want to find out more information on Windows 7, do a search...there are plenty of threads.