My Windows 7 Rant

It's pretty funny that all we ask as consumers is that said company we buy goods from produces a product worthy of a purchase. Way back when Microsoft bestowed upon us Windows Vista the collective masses said holy crap is that the best you can do, especially when we have a refined Windows XP?

The press was similarly critical of Windows Vista basically saying the same thing without the 'holy crap' part. Now Microsoft had to go into PR/defense mode trying to figure out how to salvage this PR egg on their face until the next offering came from Redmond. Instead they gave the ill fated Mojave experience and Seinfeld commercials both were pulled as the masses saw thru that.

On NBR there was a distinct group of made up of basically defending Vista and those that said you'll complain about the next OS because we heard the same thing when Windows XP was released. The other group was primarily made up of, 'no thanks' i'll stick with XP.

While i'll be the first to admit I was in the latter group, Microsoft to their credit made Vista workable with SP1 and SP2 but it's underlining problems were still there.

Fast forward to Oct. 2009, Windows 7 arrives. Well based on all those who said so what? Windows 7 is basically Vista and you'll complain again until SP1 is released. Let's take a preliminary snap shot. The general consensus is that Windows 7 is one of the best OSes Microsoft has released even if it's based on Vista code. You see the populace including the press didn't have an axe to grind with Vista because it was new and was a change from the tried and true XP. No it was because it was annoying and most importantly it sucked. That's why we sent the message to Microsoft and said fix it and make it better.

Upon installing and booting into Windows 7/Vista 2 for the very first time was not amazement but rather the feeling that I knew Microsoft was capable of making a product this good right out of the box. If Vista had run as good as Windows 7 does right now I could have eliminated all but the last sentence. So in the end, job well done MS. Looking forward to Windows 8.

 

Yeah 4 years later, Microsoft finally catches up to Mac OS X. Let celebrate.

W7 is still no where near as functional or versatile as OS X. Plus W7 is a whole lot less attractive. why does Microsoft still insist on using the cartoon like fisher price icons. When OS X has Cocoa and Icons that scale and zoom in real time and are more Photo Realistic.

For example W7 Movie Maker still lacks the simple functionality of dedtecing and finding my Webcam to record a video.

Something XP Pro does immediately with 2 clicks.

 

What is your problems with Vista and Windows 7? I run both OS, and I think they are major improvement over XP. Both OS are features rich when they compare to XP.

From my experience, I have less problems with Vista than XP, and my network has 4000+ users. Vista is much easier to deploy, secure, and manage especially team up with Server 2008 domain. Yes, you might encouter with older software incompatibility, but that is virtualization comes into the play.

Most of the problems come from users themselves not OS.

 

Listen to the man!

 

Well, Vista was a crap OS when it got released. Not because of the OS itself, rather because of the lack of compatible drivers, lack of compatible software and especially lack of almost all the interesting features MS promised to release in their next OS.

With Win 7 all this is solved. Vista was long enough out to allow hardware manufacturers release compatible drivers, also for older hardware, to release compatible software, and Win 7 does also have much more features which are interesting for the normal user than Vista has, it's a win. Vista also had much more features than XP, but for the normal user, almost only eye candy.

The next part was the really impressive PR MS did with Win 7, it's an OS which gets loved and wanted by almost everyone I know. Great job.

Re Apple: Don't understand what Mac OS has to do with Windows. Design, I personally prefer the stylish modern 7 over the clunky Snow Leopard interface, Windows has tons of more features than Mac OS, e.g. tablet PC, and has to be much more versatile because of different hardware.

Apple always does a great job on marketing, and that's impressive. However, this time, MS also was able to do such a good job once, while also improving the OS, which is even more impressive for MS.

 

They are all good OS's, vista needed work to make it much more usable, but it was definately not bad in my oppinion.

Windows catching up to OS-X? Thought that was a bit of a fail comment...but whatever you say ^^.

Windows 7 is fantastic, thats all i can say, and i class it as not a re-made vista, but an upgrade.

Fast, stable, eye candy , gota love it.

 

Simply not true.

Windows got Journaling in 2000 while HFS+ got journaling in 2002.
HFS+ is a old and aging filesystem hence a while back it was losing data in SL in certain cases.
You can also be sure the threading in Windows is far more advance than OS X.
Comparing low level features you will know it is more advance.
Some issues like the registry simply cannot be replace due to legacy issues they already tried to virtualise it.

I do admit due to bash and terminal, Mac OS X is more versatile, the basis of Windows was built on GUI hence less versatile compared to Terminal CLI
HOWEVER you have to understand these are the features taken from FreeBSD userland not programmed by Apple so you might as well say Linux/BSD is more versatile.
Also to keep you updated on Windows there is the new powershell.
It is a very versatile shell scripting with high level of parsing and control.

Reason why that feature you would like is not in Windows is because OS X has only a few hardware to support hence integration is simpler.
While Windows has to tackle more pressing issues like hardware compatibility and drivers.
So before comparing additional optional features to judge them you have to consider the developer situation as well.

 

This single sentence makes your entire argument laughable

 

^^ I know. It's not like I can install OS X on my superduper 16 core workstation that I built my self from carefully selecting top notch components. Or on a dual screen laptop like the Lenovo W7XX series.

 

Vista is a good OS. The problem is that people cant use it. People just like to whine like lil bit***es about this that there etc. No one is forcing you to buy WIndows, there is Mac, Ubuntu etc.
this thread=fail.

 

Uh oh, Apple fanboy alert.

Indeed, there are so many things wrong with his arguments that I don't even know where to start.

 

He's obviously spent too long in Apple's Reality Distortion Field.

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IMO Vista was a pretty good release overall though MS marketed it horribly early on and didn't release it in as good a state as they could have. I don't see why people would downgrade from Vista to XP after SP1 came out.

Things like UAC (and improved security elsewhere), SuperFetch, improved WiFi support, improved multi-threading, DX10, made it vastly superior to XP once OEMs caught up with hardware drivers. Windows 7, though including new features over Vista, is essentially a further improvement in all of these things and most importantly, is a slimmer OS as a whole. I can't see how those who hate absolutely everything about Vista can like Windows 7.

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Quoted as the truth

 

Mac more versitile than Windows? Well, first off, Movie Maker isn't part of Mac OS, so conflating functionality of MM on Win vs MM on Mac is a fail all on its own. But from a practical standpoint, Windows is available to and for so much more hardware and has so many more compatable programs and peripherals than Mac OS that to say OS X is more functional is simply laughable.

Anyway, yeah, W7 is an improvement over Vista, and Vista was somewhat rocky, to say the least. But keep in mind that Vista was an entirely new family of OS, so growing pains of an MK1 product should be expected. W7 is built on Vista, so of course it runs better. They didn't have to spend time rebuilding the OS from the ground up, so they could spend time tweaking and refining. W8 will probably be better still.

 

Sorry but the opening poster was telling the truth for the most part...Vista is compared to Windows 7...

I don't know why people are still apologizing for ms and trying to act like Vista wasn't the bloatware crap that it was...

Even I was one of the people who wanted to give Vista a chance ended up not liking it in the end. It's just that bad.

Millions of people feel the same way. Sure there are some ignorant folks out there but really yall come on. Bottom line is that regardless of whether he's an apple fanboy or not the underlying truth is Vista was a nightmare for most users....

 

Nightmare? That's a pretty strong word there. I would definitely not catagorize my experience with Vista as a nightmare (granted I didn't get in in the first year it was out). Both sides are prone to hyperbole here. Vista had problems, yes. Was it the unmitigated steaming pile that Mac and Linux etc fanbois and marketing execs would have you believe? Absolutely not. Vista was not a Windows ME. It was much more of an early XP.

 

I got Vista in March 08 and did not have any problem what so ever. Instead, superfetch made my experience with Vista better than XP.

 

+1...though I'm not sure if I'm classified as a Linux "fanboy" .

 

Nightmare? Cmon now, most computer users wouldn't even know they were using Vista instead of XP if they looked identical. In fact, some don't know which they're using despite them looking different. Yet these same users will claim that they hate Vista, or that they're going to stay faaaaaaaaar away from Vista. They just say this because of the bad PR.

Someone said it earlier in this thread - Vista's big issue was that it had very poor driver support when it came out. By SP1, there were really no problem with Vista... all that remained was the bad reputation.

And for the record, XP had way more problems on its release than Vista did on its release. And back when XP came out, lots of people whined about all the same things and said they'd stick to 2000.

 

I wonder if the thread owner originally created this thread for us to fight among each other. He might laugh in front of his computer right now.

 

No comment. :laugh:

 

I see through your evil plan. Am I? I might create another thread to create flame war around here.

 

The difference is, Apple did not capitalize on the problems of XP like they did with Vista in those crappy commercials because their OS at that time was far worse than XP initial was.

 

Well, there's a lot of reasons Apple didn't capitalize on the problems XP had.
The biggest is that 10 years ago there were far fewer computer enthusiasts than there are today, so there was much less of a market to capitalize on at all.
This is also probably why not many people really remember all the Switch to XP/Stick with 2000 debates that went on on various tech bbs.

 

i wonder why people cant keep their comments to themselves. seriously. the guy trashes vista etc etc blah blah. while im not a MS fanboy, i think their OS is pretty good NOT PERFECT. Macs OS isnt perfect. Linux isnt perfect. No OS is perfect.
some of you people need to think twice before creating such boring, useless thread.
if you dont like Vista dont use it. Same for Wind 7. its so simple a caveman can do it.

thanks brah

 

Okay...Mac v. PC thread over.

If you have a problem about Wind 7(or any other OS), create a thread asking how to solve that problem instead of ranting.