My first experience with Windows 10! WOW!

So I have been seeing Windows 10 Tech Preview and watching the updates build by build but I never cared to try it as I knew it would buggy as heck at the early stages.

Now with the near release of the final build to the public on the 29th of July, I thought it might be time to give it a try to see what it's all about!

UTTER GARGBAGE!! WOW! I am simply shocked by how bad Micro$h4ft can destroy the Windows OS that we all love!!

First of all, this is a Windows 8.1 with more added bloat an non-user friendly settings. I had to first google how to access the Windows updates! I had to go to user accounts then change settings in PC settings, then found it buried there!

Secondly, during the initial setup, it didn't give me the option to customize certain things like Windows 8.1 does, particularly the ability to choose NOT to install drives automatically from Windows updates. Instead of installing my own drivers, I was hearing the sounds of the USB disconnecting / display flickering while it was silently install VGA drivers! Great Microsoft, you choose what drivers I want don't give me a choice to do anything!

Next, big issue, SCALING. In Windows 7, I choose a 125% DPI scaling and i'm done, everything looks right.

Windows 8.1, the default scaling level for me 1920x1080 display is 125% but the problem is, some things look sharp and clear while others look blurry so what I do is, select display settings, then choose make my display settings for all the displays (or something like that) then log off/on again and everything looks right and sharp @ 125 DPI scaling.

Windows 10, that option is completely gone, instead, you only have the automatic choice of 125% scaling just like Windows 8.1 but there is no option to choose "change my display setting for all connected displays" for things to look right. So I tried the custom DPI scaling and chose 125% then log on / off, nothing, the scaling doesn't seem to change the size of anything, then I tried a custom 150% scaling, nope, everything is still the same size.


Next comes the automatically pinned folders. I connected my external USB drives and linked every single folder to my quick access bar! why?!!? why?!!? PLEASE!! Who created this junk OS?!?!

And to everyone who was happy they brought that start menu back, this is no start menu! this is a joke! heck even the metro start menu was better this is a pile of confusing garbage


Then comes the notification center! what is this a blackberry hub or a mobile device??

Snappiness wise, I feel a huge lag compared to Windows 7 in everything I do and this is without a proper antivirus installed, just the useless Windows Pretender!

I was waiting for Windows 10 to be released on the 29th of July to buy a new PC but thank you Microsoft, now I see where this is going.

The only reason I was willing to learn this OS was for DX12 but looking at how things are at the moment, I think this OS needs another year of updates till it becomes useable! I don't know how in the world are they gonna release this to the public on the 29th of July poor people who signed up for the automatic update will only destroy their PC after the update and notice things not working like media cards, FN keys, etc.

Just thinking of this scaling issue, can you imagine the nightmare people with 4K display would encounter?!? LOL

@Mr. Fox

This is what I can recall so far as the number of dislikes I encountered were simply shocking that I lost count.

Windows 7 is the new Windows XP, milk it till it's dead......

 

M$ is claiming to be out of the OS/UI business. Apparently their claim is to be switching over to being an internet service, where are the lessons from AOL. The again was it not this company that beat them down to a pulp?

This again goes with the you have to have every update scenario. This goes too with the you have to have our drivers. Lastly it goes too with you will be locked out of your own system. So as mentioned much earlier in other threads the enthusiast/hobbyist is in for a rude awakening.

As it stands today if you want to stick with a real OS for the future then Linux or Hackintosh are the options. The later though could follow the footsteps here so be wary. Now if buy 2020 you want some real software support for a platform you need to help build market share now. If the money is there developers will follow.

This is the reason for allowing pirated copies to change over to Windows 10, market saturation. Do not think they are just doing this from the kindness of their hearts. As it is with Windows 8.x developers just never bought in. The market was not there. Funny thing is while this will increase market share it is from those that do not like to pay for software the numbers will largely come from.

 

Funny you mention this, just as I was reading your post I got a big popup saying Windows is now adding new features! Great! Give me no control, do everything in the background and surprise me! That's how I like using me pc......NOT

You know man, I was not trying the Tech preview all these months because I had high hopes that this will come and fix Windows 8.1 and the skipped Windows 9 that they allegedly skipped altogether because Windows 8 ate Windows 9 and because they wanted to keep a distance from the horrible OS called Windows 8 to make people think they are in for something totally new and better.......

Unfortunately, this OS as it stands is worse than Windows 8, heck I'd take any time of the day over this garbage! Did anyone take a look at how the settings are now even more scattered between the Control Panel and the User Settings? We asked Microsoft to fix this and gave feedback, what do they do? instead of keeping everything centralized in the Control Panel they scatter stuff more now and they remove the option to properly select scaling for all displays so now my text either looks super tiny or super blurry, cannot choose the good ol DPI scaling for all displays..... sigh........

BTW, this is a small example by what I mean with scaling, some parts are super sharp like normal, and other windows are blurry:



It's the same in Windows 8.1 but you can then change the scaling setting to match all scaling for all displays then everything looks sharp everywhere....... in Windows 10 that option is gone! so you're left with this junk

 

Give MS feedback.

I don't know what to think about W10 just yet. Things are changing with each version coming out. Settings are slowly being migrated from the old Control panel, but it's not finished yet.

One thing I hate is the inability to hide taskbar labels without being forced to use THE INCREDIBLY STUPID combine buttons. I hate it so much, just as much as some hate the W8 Start page. In the feedback there's a vote for "Never combine, hide lables!", but I dunno if enough people cares. Editing the registry doesn't work anymore here.

 

Give MS feedback, look where this has gotten us so far. It seems unless the feedback is advancing the agenda then it is largely being ignored. At least this is my take so far.

 

Is some fuzziness around some of the system text really a big deal? Maybe I'm too lenient but that would be filed under my 'Ah, that's a shame but never mind' category.

The settings being scattered is annoying but it's probably worth waiting for the final release to see if it stays that way.

 

UI friendly is what is it fuzzy icons is sign of poor programming and not doing their testing before releasing it. So yes this tells you alot how much they didn't listen to testers and preview tester and technet testers. So this looks like it will be another flopp and the CEO will go and another will be chosen again.

 

umm...not sure what your talking about with the scaling thing, when i installed windows 10 it was scalled at 150% which looked horrible. A simple right mouse click on your desktop, then left click on display brings up the scaling page. It comes set on 150%, just have to slide the circled slider back down to 100%. Not sure if there is some other scaling issue your talkign about.

 

Some do not want 100% but 125%.

 

no this issue has been there since windows 8.1......

Here is how I can explain it simply....

Windows 7 - You set a 125% DPI scaling, everything looks perfect after logging off/ on. All windows, text, icons are sharp as if there was no scaling but that was the actual size.

Windows 8.1 - It brought a new feature where you can have scaling for only your current screen and diff. scaling for other screens (let's say you had a TV or external monitor connected). That causes things to look funny, some windows / text are sharp and fine, while others like for example the services.msc, event viewer, gpedit.msc windows all look blurry as if they were running on a non native resolution.

Solution, right click on the desktop, screen > screen resolution, then there is a blue text that is clickable (I think it says make this the default scaling for ALL my displays), after choosing that, everything looks perfect just like Windows 7, and in fact, a bit better than Windows 7


Windows 10 - It gives the same default scaling like 8.1 which is a different scaling level for each display which in turn brings back the same bug, some windows look fine and others look blurry as if it wasn't the native resolution. The problem is, in Windows 10, there is no option like Windows 8.1 to choose a standard scaling size for all connected screens which is why I am facing this issue!

I would've thought that with Windows 10 Micro$haft is going to make the DPI scaling even better but nope, may the lord be with those poor people who have 4K screens on a tiny laptops they would probably need to attach a magnifier to their screen or enjoy super blurry text / windows everywhere

urghh,, I have an HD 1920x1080 screen, if I do 100% scaling, obviously everything would look right no doubt about that, but that's too tiny even though I have good eyes, it's just way too small for my liking, hence the 125% is the perfect size.

I did, I really hope they do fix this because I want to jump onto Windows 10 just for DirectX 12 but all I'm asking for it to be useable

 

That part is the one thing I'll never get: What wonders is it that you expect from DX12? I mean, really, do people seriously believe that starry-eyed nonsense about fantastic increases in performance? That's complete nonsense, of course. Think about it this way: If such performance increases were indeed possible, it would mean that current implementations (DX11 or lower) are horribly inefficient. Fact is, they're not. Sure, they're not perfect, but if you see a few fps improvement with DX12, then I'd say count yourself lucky. I might also mention that, in the history of DirectX, there have never been any such fantastic increases in performance. So, with DirectX now at version 12, why in all the world would you expect such a performance increase in a very, very mature product?

Finally, new features in DX12? A) Who cares, games showcasing such features are probably years away, so there's no reason to "upgrade" to Win10 now. B) Along similar lines to the above, given the maturity of the graphics capabilities of today's games, what else do you expect? Why would you expect to even be able to notice a difference?

Bottom line: Sure, there will probably be some incremental improvements in DX12, but they will be so minor as to be mostly unnoticeable.

Full disclosure: I'm not a gamer, so I don't care either way, and I'm probably not a good judge in any case.

 

If you expect everything to be fixed on July 29th, well, no one expects that. But this isn't a Windows XP type of launch where everything is set in stone at RTM.
If you give feedback, there's a chance that MS might listen. It's not that hard to click "+Me too"

And if you think it's useless giving MS feedback, then why posting anywhere at all?

Nice facts you've got there.
If you're not a gamer then I don't know why you care. AMD Mantle have already showed that DX11 is inefficient. Obviously it doesn't give tangible performance in every case, especially not in higher resolutions.
http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/793/bench/280X_BF4_gain.png

 

I don't. I'm just curious; and slightly amused.

So you're confirming what I said, I take it? Or are you saying people are now all excited about the prospect of running games at insane frame rates in 640x480?

 

I never mentioned DX12. The comment was about Mantle, and the lower resolution was obviously 1680 x 1050, like the pic clearly shows.

Mantle just proves that DX11 is inefficient, it doesn't tell us anything about DX12 performance.

 

Problem is they have told us now 3 times that we are listening and have not been so to the enthusiast consumers running their previews and beta's. Why would we expect they will listen now? Next time actions speak louder than words and we can see so far what you are shouting to us.

Why post anywhere, well this is the hobbyist/enthusiast forum of the exact users that are being ignored. As a community we need to address our issues, then again we could just be silent about everything too. I am quite sure they would be very happy if all we did was fluff Windows 10 or at least be quiet about its issues.

 

What really came as a big surprise to me is that fact that I never tried Widows 10 for all these months thinking, I'm not gonna be an early beta tester, let them polish it up.......so now as we're just one or 2 builds away from RTM, I expected an almost perfect product with a nice start menu, better features, better DPI scaling which crApple does well, etc. Yet I was shocked to see the amount of bugs and no control for the user like even when I disabled automatic driver updates, when I hit Windows updates, I saw it downloading Audio / VGA drivers automatically and you can no longer select which updates you want to install selectively, it's either all or nothing.... pathetic........

this OS basically puts the uer in Auto Pilot mode and lets him control nothing other than use the PC according to what Micr$haft want! They choose our drivers, they choose your spam popup notifications that you get randomly, they choose your blurry DPI scaling. I don't think any amount of feedback is going to change this. Or maybe I'm just being too pessimistic.....

 

FYI: XP was everything BUT "set in stone" at RTM point. It has been altered so much from that point throughout its life - in *major* ways - that it wasn't even funny. I'm still in possession of the original install media dating from pre-SP1 days, as well as of RTM on 3.5" FDDs.

I believe that it's fair to say that no one really expects W10 to be a 10001% perfect product "out of the box". However, if we have to wait for a year for it to get somewhat palatable, why bother releasing it on July 29th to begin with?

 

QFT!

 

I just think it's not a good move to discourage users to give feedback. There's nothing good coming from doing that.

I think you missunderstood me. I meant more in terms of features rather than bugfixing. XP eventually did get new features due to the lack of a successor at the time.

Dunno what install media has to do with it, I still have a Windows 95 CD tho.

 

I understood you perfectly well. For instance, the original XP didn't have the 3GB addressable RAM limit. Hardly qualifies as a "bugfix", at least in my book.

Heh...I've got more old install media than I could possibly account for without taking a few days off to make an inventory. I also own several working old systems on which I can re-create the original OS environment from 2001/2002 within a matter of hours, and do so for a variety of reasons on fairly regular basis.

My point being:

Once the XP install from the aforementioned media on such a system is completed - in A.D. 2015 - one quickly understands that the debut version of MS' most popular OS to date had next to nothing to do with the one that we've gotten used to after SP2.

 

Haha, no that's just removing features, and mean! Did they remove PAE? Don't remember.

Edit: Found it.

My point was that back then we had to wait for Service packs, and now MS is churning out big updates whenever they can, partly because of internet.

 

XP is a special case. It was the version that was had to wait the longest for a successor. Originally, Microsoft planned Shorthorn to be the successor of Windows XP, to be released in 2003, and Longhorn, the successor to Shorthorn, in 2006. Longhorn eventually turned into Windows Vista, after a very troubled development (Microsoft wanted too much in a too short time frame - Ballmer later said Longhorn was his greatest failure, as he Microsoft wasted precious time they should have used for the upcoming Smartphone and Tablet wave). Shorthorn got scrapped in these troubles, but some of its features found their way into Windows XP Service pack 2, and the other 2003 Windows products (like Server 2003, Windows XP x64 edition). Very important back then as a new feature: The Windows firewall.

So you could say, Microsoft extended the life of XP, which they had not planned initially - the original plan was, hat XP was finished after Service Pack 1 and should be replaced in 2003. It was very much finished after RTM - until Service pack 2 came around, which really made it into an "XP version 1.5".

 

Longhorn was initially planned for 2003, IIRC there was no Shorthorn.
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Pushing-Forward

 

Good to hear some more user experiences on recent pre-release builds of this upcoming "OS." I haven't tried it yet and honestly don't intend to until literally the last month of the one year-free period (ie. July 2016). I'll undoubtedly still hold on to my Win 7 Ult but fortunately I have a Win 7 Pro key for that time. By then there should be a more thorough impression on Win 10. Also any bugs/UI deficiencies should have a workaround by that time...hopefully. On a related note, if I upgraded a Win 7 key to Win 10, is it possible to fresh install Win 7 with that key again? Or is it forever lost to Win 10?

The one thing I can't seem to get past is Micro$haft's Windows Update implementation in Win 10. This ARTICLE was an interesting read, but essentially like Matrix Leader6 noted, the home user seems to have no say in the matter. They will immediately shove any new "features" (as well as security updates) down the user's throat. Either that or the highway. With Win 10 they can pretty much push their agenda without you having any say in it. Even Win 10 Pro users can only delay the "features" updates for a few months before Micro$haft forces it on you by taking away any security patches. Only the sub-sector of Win 10 Enterprise users seem to have any semblance of choice on the matter. Compared to how they used to do it, that sounds somewhat draconian. Not only do they take away user option but they are essentially trying to eliminate any kind Win XP or Win 7 situation where users can just sit on a good OS until Micro$haft wises up. That, they don't seem to be doing. The $haft seems to be growing longer and longer...I measure up to 10" at this point . Overall they just seem to be moving toward a greedier service strategy.

Like I said, I'll give it a chance but if Win 10 is far too closed/UI-challenged for my taste, then I'll just sit on Win 7 until 2020 and then jump to Linux or a better alternative. I'll take the highway...'Nuff said.

 

Almost exactly my own train of thoughts, and very well put. Thank you.

 

Come on, it's just as easy as hitting "Anytime upgrade" and enter that key before upgrading...

I'm not really thrilled about W10 either. WU is one of the annoyances.

 

for me it started out as being exciting but has now turned into a nightmare trying to get it to work.

 

I read that some DX12 will come to Windows 7 because like you and me not all of us are the happy go Bandwagon users.

I doubt your the only one that found that out...

 

i found a leaked ISO of build 10135 so if that works that'll be good

 

To give you an example of how bad this updates stuff is.....

I reinstalled Wincrap 10 again but this time didn't connect to any Wireless Network so I get the chance to preinstall all my drivers myself......

I installed the Realtek Audio Driver that also installs the Dolby Digital software enhancement app then creates a proper integration / link into the OS with the Sound Card so when you change effects it actually works.

After installing all my drivers, I connected to the internet and boom, automatically the updates started downloading and I could see it downloading VGA card updates for my Intel HD Graphics and Realtek Audio driver and after that, the Dolby Digital doesn't work! it's there but changing the effects have no effect! This is exactly why I prefer to install only Manufacturer drivers and not a single Windows updates driver but no, who am I to decide what gets installed on my system? Leave that to the almighty Micro$h4ft

 

Actually I can't understand how can DX12 improve the performance when usually the GPU is the bottleneck in today's big titles ... So what difference would it make if the CPU load is uniformly distributed if the GPU is already well fed with data & working at 99% & can't processor anything further

 

It'll probably help with high refresh rate gaming, e.g. 120Hz/144Hz screens and VR, and with SLI rigs

 

Either high refresh rate gaming or where the CPU is an issue, as in either lower end CPU's or where these metro games need some oomph on lower end devices. Every iteration of DX there are touted improvements but in the end it is all just vaporware till we see it and then what it can do for real world games.

 

I can't just believe things are going very unusual dark path, I hope the Win7 will be still most favored OS as it is till today...
Maybe (no point in wishful thinking, a ray of hope though.. Micro$lop stops being the tech mafia, draconian BS & understand the meaning of PC)

Spoiler

This is hell of an OS such BS, DX12 can go to hell, Im sticking with my Win 7 till it's dead !!

 

Windows 7 just won the award of (Next Gen XP) that will last at least until 2020 unless Windows 11 comes along and saves the new Winblows 10.

Heck I'd take Windows 8.1 with all of its quirks and metro crap menu any time of the day over this joke called 10.......

but hey, whatever happened to Windows 9?? LOL They must be on white horse at the Micro$haft headquarters.

just read the last page in this thread it sums it all up: http://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/windows-10-announced.368734/page-40

Now we also get popup ads from Bing!! Great! as if the ad infested sites aren't enough! now the OS is adware!

 

Micro$lop said that this will be the last of OS & WTH is that candycrush saga being shipped with the OS, heck that game has a dark background with all personal details grabbing crap and the beta preview being shipped with an inbulit MS keylogger....I'd bet with this kind of crap-adware-spyware OS people will just ignore the Winblows10, Atleast enthusiasts and the the people who know what a PC means, It's just " commonsense"...then they will realize what big blunder they made like Vista.

And do a proper work over the successor of 10 with a better User control & UX over the OS..

 

This is the last Windows version. That is unless consumers bail on it and start using an alternate OS. If developers start wandering let us see what is done about that. But don't not wait till 2020 as developers need to start wandering now.

 

BTW, what is your opinion about this OS? I made this thread but you didn't give a lot of feedback you were more like watching and agreeing to what is said.......

please provide your review about it

 

Buy a high res monitor, scale it down blame the software...

 

I can not provide a recent review myself, I gave up on the preview long ago. What you are saying about the OS though has been stated by myself and many others for quite some time. The really poor part here is criticism of the OS/UI have only gotten worse not better.

When the first went to the minimal borders I was happy but then the crappy menu along with other UI issues making things worst. Then the OS lockdown is just another final straw. Funny thing is when you think it is the last straw they are pulling they find yet another one.

Now I will place the RTM on my P79xx. I actually am hoping to be pleasantly surprised, I really am. I will undoubtedly review it then and shout out to the world. I am however hedging my bets, as hopefully others are as well, for being let down twice I should not be upset for being let down yet again.

 

Windows is a very complicated piece of software... So MS has a lot stuff to cripple till the end of its days.

Somewhere in 2020:
- Hey, lets make folders to open by a single long click.
- That's a great idea! It's so touch friendly! Don't forget to leave users zero chance to discard.
- Of course. Windows never knew real evolution until today!

 

I'm just curious, and since I have never participated in the process of test driving a new beta OS...

Was Windows 8.x release much different than the beta version everyone tested for them?

My only experience with 8.x is in helping a neighbor do a first run on a newly purchased system with 8.1 and that was very unpleasant.

 

The short answer to your question would be "yes".

The longer one would have to take into equation what one deems as "much different". From my personal perspective, it went from "OK - different - does nothing for me so I won't run to install it" to " completely unacceptable, will burn every single PC in my house rather than installing it."

Obviously, other people are likely to have different opinions.

 

How can you expect it to upgrade right from Windows 7 or Win8 if Win10 FAILS to UPGRADE without bugs EVERY 2ND BUILD OF ITSELF?

I reinstalled Home Basic to some relatives of neighbors and thought that it is good deal to upgrade from 7 H.Basic to Win10 H.Premium. So I installed all Seven's updates (took 10-15 minutes to just search them as I even called MS Support thinking it bricked or smth, and over 2 hours to install) and manually installed Win10 Upgrade Update (Because every reboot it found another 7 updates but it didn't want to find that Upgrade-Advisor). Now I wrote them that they can upgrade to 10 in the end of year because it is more secured OS...

Now I think, how could I suggest them that if for me Win10 BUILD's Upgrade from one to another brought numerous bugs WITH START Panel! Have you ever had bugs with Start??! On Windows 7?
After I reverted to previous build... now I can't even open Start panel! Nice joke by MS and Win10.

Well, I still use Windows 7 afterall BTW, MS calls custom builds of Win7 with preinstalled updates and some tweaks as illegal copies. I can't blame anyone who use Custom build ISOs after it took me over 3 hours to install most (but still not all) updates.
MS, I will never forget how you discarded SP2 for Seven.

 

LOL!!!! Pure class! rep added

I can only imagine the disaster that will take place on the 29th of July when noobies choose to upgrade to Win 10 thinking it's just like a small software upgrade I bet you half of those devices will be bricked or lose functionality like special sound card software that comes prebuilt with their OEM drives, FN key functionality, etc.....

 

Win 8 beta was useable at least, this 10 Preview Build even while we are 2 or 3 builds away from RTM / Final build is an absolute joke! More like an Alpha not Beta

 

While I've already warned everyone and their fifth-cousin-seven-times-removed NOT to call me with any issues stemming from a move to W10, my landline will be set on "silent" and my cell to voice mail for about three days after July 29th...

I don't know about bricked, but could very well see functionally useless...

 

Better set it to three months. I've already told my dad never to upgrade from Windows 7. Someone's life will be shortened considerably if he does.

 

Windows 10 Build 10147 en-US X64 and LangPack

Anyone dares to try it? I certainly won't but just FYI, this is updated from the crippled 10130 and 10135 builds but I have 0 interest of testing it.

 

Well when it does come out for me I will put it on a test laptop not my main computer-I am not that dumb as MS thinks to put it on my main computer should it take a dump on me. That way I can disconnect it from the internet and see how it really works.