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    My first experience with Windows 10! WOW!

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Jun 13, 2015.

  1. 3Fees

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    Humm, Windows 10, 7 versions

    1 Home
    2 Mobile
    3 Pro
    4 Enterprise
    5 Education
    6 Mobile Enterprise
    7 10 Lot Care

    lol. In case you have non pro Win 7,8,8.1 for $99 can upgrade to Windows 10 Pro.

    Cheers
    3Fees :)
     
  2. James D

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    HALF-LIFE 3 CONF... Windows 7 SP2 CONFIRMED!!!
    Just remember that probably you need to stay online while upgrading and create/have MS account.
     
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    This would be good news...
     
  4. SL2

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    About preinstalled updates, do you have any more info about that, or a link?
    The only tweak I need is the $OEM$ folder (with all the SLP keys and certificates), but I guess I could do that manually. Oh well.
     
  5. James D

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    Well, I use OS with russian language pack so those links won't be useful to you. But I recall I just googled "Windows Seven SP2 with updates" and I got a link on such custom build. However you never know what builder put inside there. That's why I just trust one author and always use his builds as never had troubles with none of those.


    But I can give you 1 tweak if you want. I never liked built in Logon Image. It is too dull-blurred-blue-bright. So... I change it with another one
    [​IMG]
    Instructions:
    1. Navigate to the following section in the Group Policy Editor window:​
    Computer Configuration\Administrative Templates\System\Logon
    You’ll find a setting named “Always use custom login background.” Double-click it and set it to Enabled
    2. Go to C:\Windows\System32\oobe\info\backgrounds and put jpeg picture with proper name (backgroundDefault.jpg) and size <512KB.
    DONE!
     
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  6. killkenny1

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    Are those custom builds even legal? "Windows Seven SP2" lol.
     
  7. StormJumper

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    If true I be happy to get it....considering the updates after Sp1 is almost 2.4gigs big.... lol...hm..so where did you get this news I haven't seen or heard it?
     
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    Joke

    ^Your noggin

    *Woosh*
     
  9. SL2

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    I misunderstood you, I though you said MS didn't activate installs with updates integrated, my bad.
    I make updated ISOs with WindowsPatchLoader, and get the updates from VMs.
    Thanks. Actually, that's the other thing I keep in the $OEM$ folder. Alll my W7 installs get a black logon screen automatically. ;)
     
  10. ajkula66

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    You know, I keep looking at this link and have gone to click on it at least a dozen times, but never actually did.

    After the entire W8.x experience I just have no wish to beta test another MS OS at all. This sentiment might or might not change over the course of time.

    While I own several spare systems that wouldn't have a problem running W10, I simply can't bring myself to spending time to actually engage in the process.

    Maybe I'm getting old and cynical but I'd rather spend that time playing with my kids, napping or doing whatever. Redmond has used up a lot of my time in the past without anything to show for it since W7. And I'm a common mortal man...
     
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  11. James D

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    Oh, so you are in the theme deeper than me ;) I never edited or patched WinPE and other stuff. Highest I did was just downloading modded Win-boot-loader where I could put wim, swm or esd and it would install OS, create VHD and bunch of other stuff.

    In fact I can give you link on that one in PM if you want. I am sure you will find something to play with there.
     
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  12. SL2

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    Yes please! :)
     
  13. Spartan@HIDevolution

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    LOL, this is what I meant by removing functionality from OEM drivers by installing the WU crappy drivers by force:

    "On my machine (HP EliteBook 8570w), an update for the Synaptics TouchPad drivers took away my middle button, it simply did not appear anymore on the TouchPad properties. Uninstalling the update, and installing the Windows 8.1 Synaptics driver from the HP website helped, but within a day it was automatically updated again."

    Source: http://hmemcpy.com/2015/04/preventing-a-certain-windows-update-from-installing-on-windows-10/


    Solution: read that link, a nice wasted of 20 mins just to disable one update
     
  14. HTWingNut

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    They better not force driver updates. That's just plain dumb and irresponsible. Sure give us it as an optional update, but I want to control which drivers are installed. I can't imagine that we won't have the option to at least disable "auto updates" for device drivers.
     
  15. MahmoudDewy

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    lol DX12 or not I would never ever use an OS where I have someone else doing my drivers updates for me. Even if I won't be playing games beyond DX11. It's just unacceptable !
     
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    totally agree! until that's changed, I won't even dare to install it and screw my system.
     
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    We do, right click on computer, properties, system properties, hardware, device installation settings, then disable auto driver updates.....only thing is......Windows does not honor the setting and silently updates the drivers to its liking. it's all or nothing`

    also remember when you first install Windows 8.1, you had a chance to choose to NEVER get device info and drivers for my devices, now that whole thing is gone
     
  18. StormJumper

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    Are you sure about this? Only of two situations would you get such a screen when Windows does the Genuine Check..

    1. Blacklisted Product Key
    2. Pirated Windows that fails WGA check.
     
  19. SL2

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    3. http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...th-windows-10-wow.777304/page-6#post-10029966

    I've picked the backgound myself, and it can be changed afterwards. I use black just because it looks better together with the black boot splash screen. Sometimes I change it to the same pic as the wallpaper though.

    If it was anything wrong with it I'd get a black wallpaper and a notification...
     
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  20. pete962

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    Quick question: can we still access system folders? I read somewhere in Win 10 access to system files is verboten.
    Disabling auto updates shouldn't be that hard: either disable auto update service altogether or use firewall to block internet access, but there is no way I'll be rooting my computer, like I did my Android phone, just to access system folders.
     
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    Things that I find different in 10147 compared to what you wrote.
    Search in the start menu works, just type "update". Yeah, the settings are still scattered around...
    It works now, I even managed to get rid of the blurriness once, but I couldn't replicate it.
    That doesn't happen for me.
    You can turn off the Action center (if that's what you mean?), just like all the other system icons. Right click the clock, just like in W7.
    Skärmbild (26).png

    I like this version better, less bugs and it's more responsive. Will MS make it in time? Don't think so, but who cares? I don't mind waiting a few months, and if it's bad I just stick with W8.1 for now.

    If anyone wants to run this version in a VM, turn off Floppy disk or the installer won't start. (It complains about a missing product key.)
    This version doesn't need any key to install.
     
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  22. SL2

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    Yes.
     
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    I just came to know that Win10 Start searches over the internet also by default....WTH is this !?
    And to disable it we need to edit in gpedit.msc...Micro$lop is destroying the OS once and for all with this release.

    Someone should release the src of win7, M$ can go to hell then :p
     
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    oh my! just when I thought it couldn't get any worse! now if want to search for a friend's pic on my PC called John it would search on BING too! great! Just what I was waiting for!
     
  25. Nemix77

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    Yup one of my biggest gripes with Windows 10 too, apparently you need Windows 10 Pro/Enterprise to have the options to just check for updates and not download or install them like in Windows 7/8.1.

    Still DX12 looks really good on paper right now, it's about 50-100% boost in performance for DX12 optimized games one of them being Gear of War Ultimate Edition.
     
  26. SL2

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    As much as I don't like it either, it's not really news because W8.1 does it as well.
    Skärmbild (27).png
     
  27. MahmoudDewy

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    I am not about to either buy a new copy of windows pro for 199$ or upgrade a license of an existing one of my windows OS to get a "feature" that allows me to actually control what is being installed on my machine.

    That update thing they are doing is ridiculous
     
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    What? Mine certainly doesn't...
     
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    I've checked on Win7 gpedit.msc and found them disabled, didnt try enabling tho...stupid MS
     
  30. Pirx

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    Like I said, I'm curious were these fairytales are coming from. Where is this DX12-optimized version of Gear of War Ultimate Edition? Where is the benchmark? Until I see any real evidence, I'll call statements like the above starry-eyed BS. What I find is that people babbling statements of that sort typically have no clue at all of what it is they are talking about. Put simply, a 100% increase in real-world performance of a game is flat-out ludicrous, period, end of sentence.

    P.S.: Just in case you are referring to articles like this, you may want to notice statements like these:

    That "more subtle" above means that, in any realistic scenario which, mind you, is always GPU limited unless you'd like to play in 640x480 resolutions, the improvements will be minimal to unnoticeable.
     
  31. Nemix77

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    On paper, I never said there was hard evidence yet don't make it sound like I'm trying to sell DX12.
     
  32. killkenny1

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    [​IMG]

    Doesn't that option turn off the online search? If not, good thing I live in a "good" region :D.
     
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    I turned it off but that didn't work. Perhaps it worked on early builds but latter gave you info from web.
     
  34. SL2

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    Am I the only one who can search the internet in Windows 8.1 Start? I had the chance to try it again on a clean install and it gave me results from internet.
     
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    Windows 10 may not reach you on its July 29 launch date

     
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    There's a setting somewhere where you can activate or deactivate that. For me, it's set to search locally instead, if I want to do an Internet search, I'll fire up a browser and use a search engine. I'd bet it's the same for Windows 10.
     
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    TANWare Just This Side of Senile, I think. Super Moderator

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    Yup, sounds like another unbaked pie to me just like Windows 8....

    Windows 8 = Alpha OS tested on poor customers

    Windows 8.1 - Beta 1 OS of Microsoft's worst OS in history

    Windows 10 - Live Beta 2 tested on millions.....
     
  39. killkenny1

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    Looks like someone never tried ME...
     
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    ME was the mother of all failures :confused:
     
  41. Spartan@HIDevolution

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    Origin PC - Millenium
    Remember Windows 98 SE? That was my favorite OS of all time.
     
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    To me Windows is 98 - XP - 7 .... Everything in between was a joke
     
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    100% agree with you.
     
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    For the unwashed masses, perhaps. Those of us who were using professional operating systems liked Win2k a lot. Having to go to WinXP from there was quite a mixed bag (despite the clear security deficits in Win2k), not unlike the way naïve consumers perceived the transition to Windows Vista.

    As an aside, the main downfall of Windows Vista really was that Microsoft tried to get people to use their computers in at least a borderline secure manner. Unfortunately, that backfired badly since those consumers were used to DOS-based toy operating systems that had no concept of system security whatsoever. The result was that a) those uninformed consumers despised Vista for UAC, and b) the first thing almost everybody did was turn UAC off, and run with admin privileges by default, in effect turning the operating system back into MS-DOS as far as system security is concerned.

    Heck, to this day the clowns proudly declaring that the first thing they do on a new PC is turn off UAC are legion. Oh well...
     
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    I'd add 2000 to this list.
     
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    Very true.

    Another thing is that - in my experience - W2K and W7 were the only MS operating systems which could pass as "stable and somewhat mature" at the time of their release. Were there bugs to be found in those? Of course. But nowhere close to what we've seen in some of the other offerings, both before and after...


    While I'll agree with most of what you've stated above, there were two other major issues that turned people off when it came to Vista, and seriously so:

    a) Memory management. Vista - as RTM - was an absolute memory hog. This was fixed with updates and service packs for the most part, but back in the day it was bad. Really bad.

    b) With the introduction of Aero, it made a bunch of older GPUs obsolete on purpose with MS making some quite weird distinctions on what was able to run it versus what wasn't. There was a bunch of cards which would've been just fine but MS had decided to qualify them as unfit anyways. Needless to say, there were a lot of people whose reaction was along the lines of "Get lost, MS, I'll just sit on XP until Kingdom Come, since I'm not dishing out $2.5K for a new laptop in order to be able to run your latest OS."

    Personally - as it stands now - Vista is a fine OS in my opinion. It has been improved tremendously from what we've first seen but too little too late...oh well.
     
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    UAC was never the problem of Vista; till Vista-SP2 the performance & stability of that OS to me was a wreck. Vista-SP2 to me is identical to W7 performance & stability wise but it was too late. Also, dunno anyone who actually run their machines with UAC off & admin privileges by default.
     
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    Don't forget to add third parties that didn't get their software/drivers in order given the changes from XP and before as well as OEMs cranking computers that barely met the hardware requirements which slowed things down as well.

    Vista at launch was rough, but it's nowhere near the turd that people make it to be. I'd still take 7 or 8.1 over it, but I'd be fine with using up to date Vista. XP makes me want to shoot myself nowadays though. As for Windows 10, not getting until at least a month after release, I'll see then.
     
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    Never, heck, some programs won't even install if UAC is off.

    Example: Office 365 Live Online installer

    If you try to run it while UAC is off, it will say this programs needs admin privileges to work properly even though I had right clicked on it and chosen Run As Admin
     
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    I like Vista more, to me it is like XP with 64 bit support, simpler control panel, I like the interface more actually. But I cannot run it as programs such as Office 2013 won't run it. Another cheap attempt from Micro$h4ft to force people not to use the older OSes which they love
     
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