Is there a PageDefrag for Vista?
This is the one for XP: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897426.aspx
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JKdefrag has a built-in page defrag utility, in "system" tab.
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Tinderbox (UK) BAKED BEAN KING
Hi.
what dose "page defrag" do?
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John Ratsey Moderately inquisitive Super Moderator
It looks as if PageDefrag will work with Vista.
I also use a fixed size for the virtual memory to avoid progressive fragmentation of the swap file.
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. pagedefrag was kinda "ineffective" since XP SP2
. John's mentioning of a fixed size vm file is one of the best bets around
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my page file is disabled, will running a page defrag show noticeable improvement?
and roytse is that jkdefragui or jkdefrag -
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it doesnt work with vista
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" Note: On Vista right-click the JkDefrag program and select "run as administrator"
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ScuderiaConchiglia NBR Vaio Team Curmudgeon
Think about that for a second. If you are not using a pagefile then how could defragging the pagefile give you any sort of improvement?
I mean no offense, but if you are asking that question, then do you REALLY understand the implications of running without a pagefile??? Do you understand what a pagefile is and why it exists in Win98, Win2000, WinXP and WinVista??
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ScuderiaConchiglia NBR Vaio Team Curmudgeon
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ScuderiaConchiglia NBR Vaio Team Curmudgeon
Thanks for the backup. I hesitated when I wrote it because I didn't want McGrady to think I was picking on him. But after I thought about it a bit more I decided, no this had to be said. You and I are always in agreement on this, uninformed tweaking has no place here. Just applying a tweak because someone told you it was faster, is never a good idea. If you don't understand what the tweak does and the ramifications, then you should just trust the original authors of the operating system.
This is why I take issue with tweak apps that do not FULLY disclose every last detail of what they do.
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Personally, I prefer my systems to just work, so I can get on with doing something that has real value. Many tweaks only give the perception of performance increases, and others give real increases but the amount is such a small percentage that you will never gain back the time spent on it. I do understand, however, that people like to play with things, and that is a hobby and can be fun in and of itself. -
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ScuderiaConchiglia NBR Vaio Team Curmudgeon
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Ah ok. why do you recommend not disabling page file or having a fixed one. you just recommend vistas default settings?
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well, with 3gb ram which is what i have, i dont even come close to using even 70% of that. ;o
ya it can be dangerous if i had lower ram, but i dont game intensively or do video editing. -
ScuderiaConchiglia NBR Vaio Team Curmudgeon
The overhead of having a pagefile is so small that it is not worth the potential data loss.
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yea, but if i dont come close to using 65-70% ram usage, then having it off is fine
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ScuderiaConchiglia NBR Vaio Team Curmudgeon
You may be able to operate just fine without a pagefile for most web surfing and other apps that don't really tax the OS. But that just lulls you into a false sense of security. Then one day while running a particularly memory intensive app, like some games, or a audio editor or a video editor, or just a combination of a lot of programs all at one time, then WHAMO one or more apps dies, taking your work in progress with it. Is that risk REALLY worth the small increment in performance you might get?
I spend my day in front of the computer. It is how I make my living. I can't afford to risk loosing work for this small bump in performance. A bump, by the way, that I have yet to see actually quantified. I have asked several folks who claim that it is faster without a pagefile, but not one has been able to SHOW how much faster. It is always a "it feels faster" answer never a real number.
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ScuderiaConchiglia NBR Vaio Team Curmudgeon
This is the false sense of security I mentioned in my longer answer above.
But let me turn the tables around for a second. Why is it important to you to have it turned off? What do you hope to gain?
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i dont edit videos and probably never will.
its not important to turn it off, but if it doesnt need to be on, then i dont need it on. if i could have a tiny bit of performance better then ok. -
ScuderiaConchiglia NBR Vaio Team Curmudgeon
Editing video is not the only thing that consumes large amounts of memory. That was only an example. You mention better performance. So I will ask, how MUCH better performance?
Obviously, I am not going to convince you that a page file is a good thing to have. Your mind is made up. And that's fine. That decision may never come back to bite you. But I still would like to know, how much performance change are you getting by rolling the dice?
McGrady, thanks for engaging in this conversation. Many other folks just blow it off. I am glad to see you are willing to DISCUSS this rather than taking some dogmatic position. It is my hope that it will allow some other folks who see this tweak mentioned make up their minds based on the facts that you and I have discussed. This goes back to what Orev and I were talking about earlier. There is a difference in "informed tweaking" and "uninformed tweaking".
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I understand that isn't the only ram consuming thing, but I probably will never come close to using 3gb ram. Performance wise, I haven't noticed a difference from having it enabled or disabled. I may turn it back on later but the fact that it COULD boost performance slightly is whats stopping me. Lol. Ah, discussing isn't a problem and I never do a tweak unless I understand it. Thank you Gary.
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if McGrady feels that the running of vista w/o a pagefile works well under the current configuration/environment - i would just leave it. Personally i saw it both ways, work "well" with and without it. Personal preference is ON.
Both sides can always quote statistic and reports and "experiences". Bottom line is - if it works, leave it be.
The interesting part comes first when an issue (gaming, vido editing, office apps etc ...) occurs. This is when/where one must decide if the pagefile should be turned back on (or off) in order to make an informative diagnostic.
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ScuderiaConchiglia NBR Vaio Team Curmudgeon
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- just to be contrary and always a belief that "nah, it'll work for me" - that what makes us human species soooo interesting
and urs "waiting for some statistics on the performance improvement without a pagefile" statement can probably be used to get no/non/nein/nyet-pagefile-users to post some benchmarks for us all to study
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ScuderiaConchiglia NBR Vaio Team Curmudgeon
Gary
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