Poll! Built in defragger vs 3-rd party. Your opinions of using it

Install Paragon Partition manager 11. Choose that sector 14 GB and select Unhide partition or Show Partition.
Then you will be able to put a letter on that partition using Windows's tool
When even reinstalling Windows didn't help me to select 2 partitions (after accident with format and playing in CMD Prompt trying to get lost data back) that was what helped me

Edit: But remember that it might be a Rescue Partition. It is the same on my Sony but it is 9.6 Gb size

 

no it's not far slower. just a bit. now both are far slower than an ssd

my ssd here has a 220x lower latency than your external hdd, 260x lower than your internal one (as you can see, not much difference between the two).

troughput doesn't mean much anyways. even for games.

 

your external interface needs to be very fast to realize that difference or else your internal is badly arranged so it is heavily crippled.

 

I'm just thinking... it would be completely daft, but is it possible that the internal drive runs in "PATA mode" without AHCI and the external runs with it?

 

also those are averaged latency...again if its optimized i can get 5ms-10ms on the outer platter for my external. big difference.

the difference in the 2 drives is that one is a 2.5 inche and the other is 3.5 Also onee is 320gig and the other is 1TB

 

no. by his numbers it runs just fine. he just thinks that around 20% difference is "a lot".

det: backup is done btw, horray!

 

Well depending on what kind of difference it is, it can be from a statistical point of view.
But once you are in the ms area you won't notice it because humans can't perceive such differences unless they are amplified by maybe a factor of 10 to 100.

@Dave:
Should be in the 30GB area on my side - was 29GB a couple hours ago.

 

it can be if that's all that's available. but not if you can easily get 100% and higher differences (depending on use case up to 15000%).

but yeah, speeding up gets less important the further you get.

increasing performance by two the first time might cut load time from 1min to 30sec. second time, it only cuts 15sec, then 7.5sec..

i made the first big jump and now wait till another big jump comes around. not even the newest ssds provide that once you did the first jump to ssd (and no ramdisk would)

 

Whatever you are just too damn stubborn to see that a hardrive is plenty fast enough for those things instead of spending hundreds on a large SSD. Especially if a hardrive is optimized. 17ms average to 5-10ms? thats alot. outer platter is 5-10ms and inner is 25-35ms? thats a ton. Now it is no SSD but for a 60-70 bucks you get 1 TB and a good 200gig of space running at 5-10ms thats really good. Be ignorant and stubborn i don't card its alot better and alot cheaper.

 

i am on 0.065ms for where it matters since over a year (0.1ms since now about 3 years?). i have 5.5tb of storage at >= 100MB/s accessible (and at around 10ms access time).

so i know why i'm ignorant and stubborn againts people who think they know better..

 

You know, there are plenty of cheapo SSDs out there too which are slower than Intels, but faster than HDDs.

Just commenting...

 

Ding, ding, ding!!!! We have a winner. That is PRECISELY what I have been saying all along. Who gives a rats if the difference is 2ms or 10 ms. No human will EVER know the difference. Now I am not suggesting that some optimization is not a good idea, after all I am the person who wrote the thread here about using the built in defrag to optimize the boot files. But mindlessly chasing those last few ms, like moving stuff to the edge of the hard drive, is pointless.

Gary

 

If you had 1 GB RAM and you changed location of pagefile.sys to the fastest area of HDD you (and every other people) definately would feel the difference of system speeding up as good as you would feel a train witch hit you. I'm not saying that you can feel a difference only if you have only 1 GB of RAM. I am saying that difference between 2 and 10 MS is a hell of HUGE! its about 5 times bigger!

Today I booted another my Windows on the same laptop. It was booting for 59 seconds however it is completely clean windows! After I used VAIO Tools and it defragged register I boot Windows in about 30 seconds or so

 

Why would you put yourself into such a situation given the current price of RAM ?

 

I am still waiting for real world proof of your outrageous claims. Not some crazy one gig of ram scenario, not some artificial benchmark, just real situations, measuring real differences in the only way a human will ever perceive a difference, namely using a stop watch. If it can't be measured with a stop watch it doesn't REALLY matter. Anything that can;t be measured with a stop watch will go totally un-noticed by the user.

Gary

 

To "prove" a point. A point that does not actually exist in the real world.

Gary

 

BTW you didn't need any third party tool to deal with the boot files. Everything you need to do that is built into Windows. (See my signature line below for details.)

Gary

 

Something like if you jump from a 3 storey building, it is going to hurt badly so better to wrap yourself in a used tire ?

 

and 2gb of ram cost me 5$ and would give me more than 5 times bigger.

do you remember that my pagefile is on an ssd, gives me 160 times bigger than your hdd. now THAT is huge.