Quick question about Windows 10

My new Legion 5 laptop came with Windows 10 1909 preinstalled and i just installed all of the Windows updates and now its requesting me to install Windows 10 2004. My question is will i miss any features and stuff if i dont install Version 2004? Windows 10 is already a pain to use even after following the guides here....

 

No. The only thing 2004 will bring you is a decline in performance and the addition of worthless bloat and instability. The fastest and easiest way to see that performance hit is to run Fire Strike and watch the massive drop in the combined test (CPU and GPU combined). There is a measurable performance decline with 2004.

Surprising that even Windows 7 beats Windows 10 Pro 2004 in Fire Strike. It’s just barely behind LTSC because of Windows 10 2004 being such a sucky piece of crap.

These results are with the CPU at 52x on all cores and the GPU running default clocks.

- Windows 7 Ultimate – older 3DMark – driver 451.48
First Run: Combined score: 12089 - https://www.3dmark.com/fs/23451914
- Windows 7 Ultimate – latest 3DMark – driver 451.48
Second Run: Combined score: 12769 - https://www.3dmark.com/fs/23452016
Third Run: Combined score: 12769 - https://www.3dmark.com/fs/23452034
Fourth Run: Combined score: 12126 - https://www.3dmark.com/fs/23452062

- Windows 10 Ent LTSC 2019 – latest 3DMark – driver 418.81
First Run: Combined score: 11225 - https://www.3dmark.com/fs/23451523
- Windows 10 Ent LTSC 2019 – latest 3DMark – driver 451.48
Second Run: Combined score: 12358 - https://www.3dmark.com/fs/23451555
Third Run: Combined score: 12349 - https://www.3dmark.com/fs/23451642
Fourth Run: Combined score: 11894 - https://www.3dmark.com/fs/23451663

- Windows 10 Pro 2004 – older 3DMark – driver 451.48
First Run: Combined score: 11386 - https://www.3dmark.com/fs/23451365
- Windows 10 Pro 2004 – latest 3DMark – driver 451.48
Second Run: Combined score: 11080 - https://www.3dmark.com/fs/23451478
Third Run: Combined score: 11009 - https://www.3dmark.com/fs/23451496
(Note: there were 2 runs after this below 11K that were unworthy of capture)

What is interesting is the Windows 7 graphics score is really good (which is historically unusual for Fire Strike) and the physics test is worse (also unusual to ever see an example of that in any CPU benchmark) but the combined score is much better overall, especially compared to Windows 10 Pro 2004.

TL;DR – Windows 10 2004 is a piece of crap and here’s the proof. (No surprise here… totally expected.) Newer is NOT better. Especially where Windows is concerned.

And, here is a side-by-side look at the best overall scores for Windows 10 2004 vs Windows 7 vs Windows 10 LTSC 2019 (in that order, exactly as it appears in the screenshot) .

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/23451365/fs/23452016/fs/23451642

 

The biggest improvement for me is how Windows deals with mixed refresh rate monitors. I'm using a 60Hz external monitor in addition to my 120Hz laptop panel. On previous Windows builds, if I had hardware accelerated content, such as a YouTube video, playing on the external monitor while I was gaming, my internal panel would get locked at 60Hz and the game would start stuttering like crazy. This is no longer the case with 2004, and mixed refresh rate displays in a multi-monitor setup work properly as intended now.

In addition, 2004 introduces Hardware Accelerated GPU Scheduling on Pascal and Navi GPUs onward, which shifts video memory management from the OS to the GPU, and can potentially improve performance and reduce latency. This doesn't seem to matter much for current games, but may become more important in future titles.

 

I see and thank you guys for the info, It just more proof that Windows 10 is a trash OS even its updates are not worth the hassle... Tbh i wish i can go back to Windows 8.1 or even 7, Linux is another option if it gets to that point.. Also i miss the auto brightness settings in the power options which was very helpful especially on laptops

Another problem that been annoying me that after a restart/hard reset it takes about 2 or 3 mins to boot to the login screen and my laptop uses a NVMe SSD, I even reinstalled windows and the same issue still occurs.

 

This on a clean install without OEM bloat, drivers and software? Not normal. Not even with the latest Win 10 tragedy.

 

Yeah..2-3 mins is quite excessive

 

Something is clearly not right with that. Even a mechanical HDD would boot up faster than that. It makes me think that either there is a storage driver corruption problem (like a buggy or corrupt RST/AHCI driver) or there is something wrong with the SSD.

@KING19 - how does the NVMe benchmark look? Does it perform as expected? If you run CrystalDiskInfo does it show any errors? Also, look in Device Manager and see if all of the storage controllers look correct. If you are using default Microsoft Windows drivers for NVMe and SATA you may need to install drivers that are more specific to your hardware.

 

OEM but the only bloatware on here is Microsoft Office 365 and Mcafee Livesafe, The only other software is Lenovo's Vantage that controls the fan modes and other settings.

The SSD is brand new and there no issues with it. Its a possibility that Windows 10 installed a buggy RST/AHCI driver during setup. When i shut down the laptop and turn it on again it takes about 5 seconds to boot to the login screen.

 

Clean install the OS without network enabled. Then check how it perform.

I have the 250GB WD Blue SSD in one of my old. And it boot up quite fast. I see your current laptop is a AMD system with NVMe. AMD is slower to boot but 2 min is bad. Maybe there is an bios update for this? https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-vs-intel-which-pc-boots-faster

Fake shutdown ain't real cold boot... http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/losing-my-mind-with-a51m-9900k-rtx2080.833145/#post-11022464

See also Recommended AHCI/RAID and NVMe Drivers (Or see what drivers the Notebook OEM have on their support download page).

You can also use Autoruns.exe to disable tasks to see what software that hamper the startup. Used with care.

Edit.

Just got my Lenovo Legion 5 4800H + 1660 Ti and putting it through its paces! So far, great thermals and quiet too! reddit

Screwed up firmware and software is a disgusting thing! Pair it with a OS as Win 10 and you have a nasty mix.

 

Here are the benchmarks and the drivers in the attachments, everything works as expected i even installed the Samsung NVMe driver and it doesnt solve the problem.

I updated the BIOS from the one that was on my laptop and it still doesnt fix the issue. I spent last night reinstalling windows again without connecting to the wifi, Updating the AMD and Nvidia drivers, uninstalling Mcafee and Office, Lenovo's Vantage software, and running ccleaner to no avail. I read all of the posts in that reddit thread and he fixed it by updating the AMD graphics drivers which i already tried, I even disabled Hybrid mode which disables optimus and uses the Nvidia GPU for the display.

I agree with you there, I never had a problem with any OS like this, even my old laptop reboots faster than this. Also i forgot to mention when using DDU it boots into safe mode fast like normal... It could be a problem with AMD Processors so maybe a future BIOS update might fix this problem or even updating to Win 10 2004..

 

Did you test with the mentioned overclocking disabled? See pict below. If this is a problem you should take contact with the OEM support.


Another option is to try a standard Sata ssd. They come in M.2 and Sata 2.5" form factor.

Third option... Try out another Win 10 versions for trouble shooting on OS level.... Windows and Office ISO Download Tool

 

Yes, its off by default in the BIOS

I only have one 2.5 SATA SSD but its being used by my old laptop atm.

I tried repair function and it didnt help. Also i tried installing the AMD chipset drivers on their site and nothing changed, I disabled USB boot in the BIOS too. Personally imma leave it alone because im burnt out atm. Gonna accept its a bug and maybe Lenovo will release a BIOS fix for it in the future. I rarely restart my laptops unless im installing windows updates and/or doing driver updates.

 

Update: Somehow i fixed the problem. After updating both the AMD and NVIDIA drivers again after Win10 keep trying to install older drivers i decided to uninstall AMD's Driver software because the software stopped working after being incompatible with the current driver and used DDU again and allowed Win10 to reinstall the AMD driver. One problem through, on the device manager it says i am missing a driver but no clue of what driver it is but now Win10 boots up fast as it should after a restart.

 

What is the hardware ID for the unidentified item in Device Manager with no driver? (You can find the hardware ID by selecting Properties, going to the Details tab and selecting Hardware Ids from the drop-down menu.)

 

It looks like this. I think its a missing AMD driver because this popped up on windows update. Personally i dont want to install it if its going to bring back this issue. Windows 10 is a truly POS OS....

 

You can selectively hide updates so they never appear again using the Microsoft Hide Updates Tool: http://download.microsoft.com/download/F/2/2/F22D5FDB-59CD-4275-8C95-1BE17BF70B21/wushowhide.diagcab

 

Thank you that a very helpful tool to use to have some control of Windows Updates!.

Sometime in the future i will upgrade to Pro or the enterprise version.

 

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The same issue popped up again after updating the AMD drivers so i can use freesync but i found a true fix for the issue and this problem is an known issue for anyone who uses a AMD system.

Uninstall the AMD Audio CoProcessor driver under system devices in device manager and allow windows updates to reinstall the driver or find an update for the driver if you want.