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    Recommend me a serious Defragmentor.. Speed irrelevant.

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by Nocturnal310, Mar 20, 2008.

  1. Nocturnal310

    Nocturnal310 Notebook Virtuoso

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    Hi,

    I will leave my comp. on all nite... can u suggest me a really really good Defragmentor?

    Auslogics is fast but not Great.

    Any other ?
     
    Nocturnal310, Mar 20, 2008
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  2. qhn

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    jkdefrag, iobit, windows (even) etc ...
    how do u define "great"? each user has her/his own preference and her/his own measure of "great"

    i personally use jkdefrag

    cheers ...
     
    qhn, Mar 20, 2008
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  3. John Ratsey

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    I use Diskeeper. It seems to do a very good job, but it costs money.

    PageDefrag will defrag the paging file for free.

    John
     
    John Ratsey, Mar 20, 2008
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    I use OO Defrag, seems to work exceptionally well
     
    tphilly1984, Mar 20, 2008
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    I used to use Diskeeper, then I loved O&O, but now I've started to use AusLogics, it's free and performance wise it's amazing.
     
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    How i define a great defrag is which does MAX defragementation. time irrelevant. and Doesnt crash like Auslogics does on Vista.

    PERIOD
     
    Nocturnal310, Mar 20, 2008
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    I love diskeeper works quick and is easy to use.
     
    jooooeee, Mar 20, 2008
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    "MAX" will be hard, such definition cant be pinpointed
    . i m not using auslogics at the moment, but never experienced any "crashes" under vista when i used previous version of it

    may be u could submit a bug report to auslogics for it, but it always seems strange when a defrag app crashes

    u have some good recommendations in the above posts - just try them all until u r satisfied with one that works well in ur environment

    cheers ...
     
    qhn, Mar 20, 2008
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    If Auslogics doesn't work for you with Vista, O&O or Diskeeper might be worth the investment. They're both excellent.
     
    bmwrob, Mar 20, 2008
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    Hi.

    try this free defrager, I have tried all the free ones and this one is the best i have seen, works great

    http://www.defraggler.com/

    regards

    John.
     
    Tinderbox (UK), Mar 20, 2008
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    I have tried Raxco Perfectdisk for a couple of years. Seems steady good defragger never had any trouble with it.
     
    beakerss, Mar 20, 2008
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    I'd say diskeeper (I'm currently using, love it) and perfectdisk is pretty great...the other one is O&O....take your pick
     
    theZoid, Mar 20, 2008
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    The most powerful free one I've encountered so far is jKDefrag GUI.
     
    Gintoki, Mar 20, 2008
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    Co-sign Calvin on the free one....however won't do a boot time defrag
     
    theZoid, Mar 20, 2008
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  15. roytse

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    just a reminder, this one still in beta :)
     
    roytse, Mar 20, 2008
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    There is no such thing as "MAX" defragmentation. There are many issues involved in defragmenting, and also many rumors and inconsistencies in the "lore" of why and how you need to defragment.

    Some files may benefit from defragmentation, like large video files which could stutter if they are very fragmented. Some other defragmenters will take all of your files, defrag them, then smoosh them all to one end of the disk. THIS IS A VERY BAD IDEA, and that type of defragmentation should not be used. It can and will cause MORE fragmentation, and also doesn't really benefit anything.

    The ideal situation is where you have all files evenly spread randomly around the disk, so there is space between them for when data is added to the end (so it will not fragment).

    The only other gains can be when Vista defragments the boot files into one place, which will reduce random seek during bootup.

    PS: jkDefragGUI is the best and free one. Ultimately, almost all defrag tools use the built-in Windows defrag API, so the only difference is how they decide where to put the files.
     
    orev, Mar 20, 2008
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    Hi.

    http://www.defraggler.com/

    I have been using it every day for over a week, and my system has not croaked yet.

    Still the best free one in my opinion.

    regards

    John.


     
    Tinderbox (UK), Mar 20, 2008
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  18. roytse

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    this make sense to me :)
    do you know any defragger that can defrag this way?
     
    roytse, Mar 20, 2008
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    When files are created they are done so in a more or less random way. So the defragger should try to leave files where they are and just consolidate all the parts. That will maintain the "randomness". As soon as you use one that smooshes everything into one spot, you can't go back, and as a result your defrags will take much longer every time you run it.

    To defrag the boot files, take a look at Gary's method:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=2737834
     
    orev, Mar 20, 2008
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  20. roytse

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    yea, i knew gary's defrag boot file method,
    i'm finding a defragger that can place files more randomly, and give some spaces between files.
     
    roytse, Mar 20, 2008
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    Same here.
     
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    +1 for jkdefrag
     
    FusiveResonance, Mar 20, 2008
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  23. DPCS

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    I usually set JKdefrag as my screen saver.
     
    DPCS, Mar 20, 2008
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  24. swarmer

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    Well there are pros and cons. Smooshing everything to the beginning of the disk does have some benefits. The drive head has to move around less if everything is close together, so seek times should be reduced. Also, transfer speeds are faster toward the beginning of the disk, and slower toward the end. You can run HDTune to see this on a graph. (Both of these benefits only apply to magnetic hard drives, not SSDs.)

    The drawback of this smooshing is as you explained: to grow any file at all, it needs to fragment it.

    I haven't used it (I can't get too excited about different defrag programs... I just don't think it matters all that much which one you use), but you can check out Contig if you want: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contig_(defragmentation_utility)
    It just defragments files without moving them to the beginning of the drive.
     
    swarmer, Mar 20, 2008
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