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    Sata driver needed for XP on HP dv6626us

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by FermiDirac, Dec 2, 2007.

  1. FermiDirac

    FermiDirac Newbie

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    Feeling horribly burned here. Yes, I know that downgrading to XP is not supported by HP, but who would have thought that they'd block you from the attempt by giving you a BIOS that won't allow you to do anything? That's the case with my dv6626us just purchased today. I can't disable native Sata.

    So I need the SATA driver. Trouble is, I don't know what one or where to get it. Does anyone know how to find out? TIA
     
  2. manu08

    manu08 Notebook Geek

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    You can do an online chat with HP & ask them to give you the link to the drivers. Do keep in mind that you will need a floppy drive to install these drivers before XP installation.
     
  3. nobscot6

    nobscot6 Wise One

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    I think you have the Intel T5250 chipset, but do a goggle search to be sure. I looked at the Intel site and didn't see the drivers. If there is a similar model on the HP support site, you might see if it lists a SATA driver. It will probably work for you.

    You can create a slipstream install XP CD that should work for you w/ vlite or nlite. Search this forum on how to do it. It's really not that hard..
     
  4. orev

    orev Notebook Virtuoso

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    I just want to clear up the rhetoric... HP is not trying to "block you" from doing anything. Disabling native SATA support in the BIOS is a legacy option that was required as a stopgap, and now is mostly no longer needed. Remember, XP is over 6 years old.

    What you are running into is a legitimate technical hurdle because you are using an old OS -- this has nothing to do with willful disruption on HP's part.

    For more information on installing XP on this system, please see this thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=165319
     
  5. nobscot6

    nobscot6 Wise One

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    HHHmmm, maybe, maybe not.........

    I just decided to check the BIOS on my dv2419us and check my settings. DANG, when I reboot and the corner screen says F2 for System Utilities, not BIOS!!. I hit F2, it goes into a help screen where I can choose to boot into my Vista Ultimate or arrow down and hit F8 to go to the usual Safe Boot Screen mult-options.

    Damn, where did my BIOS go since I went from Vista Premium (pre-installed) to a clean install of Vista Ultimate, 32bit.

    Help me, help me, I'm melting!!!!!!!!!

    HHmm, HP or Microsoft updates?
     
  6. orev

    orev Notebook Virtuoso

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    You sure there's not another key to get into the BIOS, like ESC, F1, Delete, etc...?
     
  7. nobscot6

    nobscot6 Wise One

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    Ahhh, thank you, thank you

    F10 now, I swear it was F2............... :eek:
     
  8. FermiDirac

    FermiDirac Newbie

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    Thanks for the reply, orev and I'll check out the link. But I think it's naive to believe that the major manufacturers are not under financial incentives in cooperating with Microsoft in pushing Vista. XP is very much alive and well. It's still the OS of choice in industry and schools, and Dell and others are still shipping many, many systems with it--even to consumers now. To make it difficult for users to use a still popular OS of their choice while the drivers are well known is creating a hurdle which is not legitimate. But that's just my opinion.

    [Edit]Thanks again for the link. I had already slipstreamed the SATA driver, installed XP and tried some other drivers, but could not get the audio working. Using the Driverpack_1.01_dvX500.zip package of drivers in the first post of that thread, installed in the order suggested in the included readme, I can confirm that they work perfectly for the dv6626us. I have no exclamation points or question marks showing in Device Manger.
     
  9. orev

    orev Notebook Virtuoso

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    HP only has an incentive if MS pays them to do things, but that is also balanced out by their customers wishes and their reputation. If HP or any company were to start intentionally locking out other OSes, especially these days with Linux and even XP, the customer backlash would be huge, and the damage to their reputation would be huge. That's why they would not do it.

    These companies are in business to make money, not to conspire against their customers.
     
  10. FermiDirac

    FermiDirac Newbie

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    I don't know how you can say, "if." Here they have a popular notebook, the dv6626us, which runs XP perfectly well with drivers that are in HP's possession. And there are customers who would prefer XP. But not only do they not simply offer the drivers in the so-called XP download section for that computer on their "award winning site," they actually warn against installing XP, claiming that the computer won't work properly. I call that a lie. And not only that, they deliberately remove the option to disable native SATA in BIOS, which locks out a normal XP installation. Only the really determined and somewhat knowledgeable will find the workaround. I call that conspiring against the customer, and they should be called out for it. You say that such behavior would cause a backlash? Well, this is it. I'm backlashing :mad:

    Wow, you think that making money and conspiring against customers are mutually exclusive? :rolleyes:

    No offense to you intended here :) Just debating a topic near and dear to me. I would consider this off topic and inappropriate in most threads, but this one started with my assertion that I'd been somewhat swindled, so it is on topic.
     
  11. orev

    orev Notebook Virtuoso

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    You conspiratorial tendencies are getting the better of you. If you think more rationally you will see that this is not the case. HP is not actively preventing you or anyone else from doing whatever you want with your system -- but they are not supporting it either. If they were to put the drivers up and encourage users to install XP, they would incur additional support costs dealing with those users. They don't want to do that, and those are the ONLY reasons for it.

    As for "disabling" legacy SATA support, I will say again and highlight, they disabled legacy SATA support. It's like saying that removing support for a floppy disk or some old SCSI scanner, and therefore they are intentionally preventing you from scanning in DOS. Legacy SATA support was for old technology which is now obsolete.

    The bottom line is that you have a new laptop which does not fully support older technology, though you can update that older tech to work with it. That's up to you and there's no problem with that, but it has nothing to do with a conspiracy or with HP forcing you to use Vista. After all, you already paid for it at this point, so what do they care?
     
  12. FermiDirac

    FermiDirac Newbie

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    Ouch! I was going to quit because my rationality informed me that neither of us was going to change the other's mind. But now I feel I must defend a bit.
    orev, somewhere between the one and a half people in the world who might want to scan in DOS and the tens of millions who are running XP and would like to continue to run XP, there's a point where a clear thinking person must admit that the two situations are NOT the same. XP is far from obsolete, ergo the technology that supports it is far from obsolete.

    Knowing this full well, HP adopted a BIOS that does not allow the option of having the hard drive seen by an XP install disk. And knowing full well that any of their machines can run XP (and actually run better than with VISTA), they take the official position in writing on their site (and train their offshore legions of tech support minions to say) that the machines are designed for VISTA and therefore will not run properly with XP. Am I paranoid or irrational for calling that a lie?

    Incidentally, I'll say that the HPs are very nice laptops. I don't mean to take that away from them. I'm happy with mine.
     
  13. nitro2007

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    orev how much is hp paying you to kiss their ass
    microjunk windoz xp is not the only OS out there that has problems with this
    (lets force everyone to use vista feature)

    older technology.. hmm nothing wrong with dos apps for diagnostics ... oh wait hp charges a nice hourly rate to do that
     
  14. orev

    orev Notebook Virtuoso

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    I wish HP paid me. My main motivation is the facts. You cannot arrive at any satisfactory conclusion without the truth and facts about what is going on. Feel free to engage in your theories, but know they are wrong because you have not accounted for all of the contributing factors.
     
  15. nitro2007

    nitro2007 Newbie

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    go on believing what you want, fact is the phoenix bios is a POS and HP is trying to regulate what gets installed on the laptops
    technology= more ways to get people's money because most are creatures of habbit and have to run out and buy the latest and greatest just because they think because it's new it's better......... that's b.s.

    if it ain't broke don't fix it or try to reinvent the wheel
    if windoz wasn't such a resource hog none of this crap would be needed in the 1st place
    most home users do nothing but email, browse the net and maybe a document or spread sheet


    fo all of those wanting to install XP on the POS bios, just get a toshiba (dell) usb floppy drive and copy the sata drivers to a floppy disk and get after it.
     
  16. Metamorphical

    Metamorphical Good computer user

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    Ok guys, get back on topic and keep it clean with no more flaming and insults. Again this thread gets reported and this thread will ne closed to discussion. Sorry.

    -Niki
     
  17. FermiDirac

    FermiDirac Newbie

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    I don't believe that I flamed or insulted anyone, or that I didn't keep it clean or that I went off topic. But if I seemed to do any of that, I apologize.
     
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    tHANK YOU very much
     
  19. nobscot6

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    actually, no reason to have to buy a usb floppy drive. Anyone that has an XP install disk and knows anything about pc's can use nLite to slipstream the sata drivers into xp. simple as can be.........

    i think there are guides here and on the net.......... just do a search........

    ann