Stuck at .77 Ghz on battery

Hey guys, I purchased a G750JW today and after charging it for 6 hours like it said, after unplugging it now my speed is stuck at .77ghz and I can't even play this non demanding game.
I can't find how to adjust this in power settings either...can anyone help? Thank you.
Edit: Even in the high performance setting its still .77ghz

 

games arent meant to be played on battery, plain and simple.
telling us your spec will help. cpu/gpu/ram/hdd/ssd and also what game you was trying to play.
what you might not think is demanding could well be demanding especially running it on battery.

 

The thing is though that I was able to run this game (Runescape) even on my old laptop on battery which had a way worse setup that this.
I have a i7-4700hq
8gb ram
1tb
gtx 765m
yet I'm stuck at .77ghz on battery and can't figure out how to fix that haha, thanks for the reply.

 

what sort of temperatures are you getting. sounds like it could be downclocking to protect the hardware.
when was the last time you cleaned the vents and fans out with compressed air. should be done every 3-4 months as a build up of dust is a lappys worst enemy.
also what ambient room temps are you in.

download core temps/ hwinfo64/ gpuz / nvidia inspector from my sig below to see what temps you are getting. anything near 90c ?

 

The laptop is brand new I got it today. It's running very nice and cool too. :/

 

its not that then
roll your mouse over the battery in task bar on bottom right and see if its ticked on high performance. ballanced or power saver is no good for gaming.

 

Yes, make sure to set to high performance. Also make sure the GPU is set to the nVidia card in GPU settings. Chances are your GPU will also be downclocked as well.

 

I'm pretty sure it is set that way, but of course I put it in high performance yet it was still stuck at .77ghz

 

what software are you using to show its stuck at .77ghz

 

task manager.. when plugged in it says it is 3.2ghz and it goes between 3.2-3.3 constantly...

 

You could use throttlestop to monitor more accurately. On battery, it is likely that the CPU could run at lower frequencies to preserve battery life.

 

Well how can I speed it up? I had an older cheaper laptop that ran way better than this GAMING laptop on battery, theres no reason it should slow down THIS much

 

Throttlestop with hasewell support should be out soon.

 

I read about that, but can that be harmful to the laptop? I don't know what it messes with...

 

If your laptop can't cool itself properly at full speed, then yeah it cna be harmful. If you try to game on battery, you'll likely destroy your battery within a year, draining your battery as fast as gaming does isn't a good idea. Maybe Asus will put out a new BIOS where the CPU won't throttle so much and they'll throttle the GPU a bit to even things out. I'm guessing they did this because the battery can't provide enough juice to run the GPU and CPU at full speed, but in my opinion, they were way too aggressive with the CPU clocks on battery.

If you only want more performance out of your CPU while not using the GPU, then you should be fine as far as the battery is concerned provided you don't run it at 100% load all the time on battery. Forcing the clocks to be higher will likely result in a shorter battery life.

 

Is that the only thing it can ruin? Just the lifespan of the battery? I checked out the older model, the G75VX, and that ran at normal speeds while unplugged from the charger. Is this something that can actually be fixed through an update from ASus, if so, is that something I should rely on? Or go for the older model with 3rd gen instead of 4th gen processor and a lower graphics card, but still be not be slowed down while on battery.

 

In the Amazon add it says 3.5 hours of battery life. I am sure the battery alone usage has been tuned aggressively..................

 

Very few "gaming" laptops run full speed on battery. That laptop can draw 100-120W power while gaming. That kind of power draw on battery would overheat and blow up the battery. There's no way the G75VX could run full speed on battery either. The system would draw more power than the G750JW. The only laptops I've been able to get to run full speed are AMD laptops because they have much lower power draw and heat, but they are also underpowered compared with the 47W Haswell quad cores.

 

You usually get one component or the other that you can run at full speed or some amount of throttling on both, the implementation varies form manufacturer to manufacturer and between models.

Have you tried running something that doesn't use the GPU, like wPrime just to see if when the GPU is not in use the CPU clocks higher?

 

I just don't see a reason why it would run so SLOW, like that's a bit too much just to protect the battery. I haven't tried that yet tijo, but simply navigating around the computer was slower and I noticed.

 

Asus is using the BD PROCHOT feature to throttle their G750 laptops while on battery power. This immediately locks the CPU multiplier to 8 just as if it was thermal throttling. The multiplier will not increase regardless of load or CPU temperature until you plug back in to AC power.

ThrottleStop 6.00 works fine on Haswell and allows you to easily disable BD PROCHOT so you can run your Asus G750 at whatever speed you want to when on battery power. Without access to a G750 and a box of batteries, I have no idea how safe this fix is. Keep a fire extinguisher handy just in case.

There is a good thread about this issue on the Republic of Gamers forum. TS 6.00 is not finalized yet but this problem is serious enough that I thought I should release it as is so users can quickly decide if they want to keep their new Asus laptop or not. At the moment, the only way to go beyond 798 MHz while on battery power is by using third party software like ThrottleStop. That's a ridiculously slow speed for a high performance laptop to be running at in 2013 when on battery power.

 

I think that's something we can all agree on. Crazy Asus, not the first time BD PROCHOT has gotten in the way of people on the G series either.

 

That make my day

 

Well if it's not guaranteed to be safe I'd prefer not lol... I don't wanna ruin my brand new 1250 dollar laptop haha

 

Here is some number of battery draw, so people can design if it is safe
(pull from hwinfo64 ,ts of my machines and some links from google just to verfiy)
Review AMD Radeon HD 6970M Graphics Card - NotebookCheck.net Reviews
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4223/eurocom-racer-radeon-hd-6970m-rocks/6
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typical optimus/switchable graphic idle power draw = ~10-2x W
A quad i7 TDP = ~45W
tpyical igpu machine i7 quad full load = ~ 70W
A old gen massive power hungry always on dgpu (6970m) at 1D clock with i7 quad idle = ~ 40-50W (mine is actually higher due to the amount of components)
6970m at 2d clock with low activity i7 = ~ 60- 70w

Finally, I never burn my hand or have lithium ion liquid in my face.

 

You never cease to amaze me unclewebb. Where might one find Throttlestop 6.00? I don't see it at T|I.

 

Thanks HTWingNut for the thumbs up. :thumbsup:

As mentioned, I wasn't planning to release TS 6.00 in its unfinished state but what the hell. If you want to do some testing, here you go.

ThrottleStop_600b1.zip

It works OK on Haswell from what I have heard so far but there are still a few things that need to be finalized and tested before the final version gets released.

 

So far clock multiplier works great. Thanks!

Also just noticed it lets me set whatever clock I want on battery.

EDIT: Any idea how to get the IGP to run at full speed while on battery? It's kind of silly to have a decent IGP now but have it clock to 400MHz while on battery.

 

I was recently playing around with a 3rd Gen UM CPU. They let you adjust whether the CPU or GPU gets the bigger share of the power budget. Can you post a screen shot of the TPL window? Some new features in there are UM only as far as I know but there are 2 boxes at the bottom where you can adjust this. Not sure if the 4th Gen is supported but it probably is.

 

Here's the TPL window:



Although I don't know if that's really the issue. With AC power the IGP runs at 1300MHz. On battery it won't go above 400MHz.

 

PROCHOT - 2 means your laptop manufacturer decided to set a 2 degree negative offset to the Intel recommended throttling temperature. These CPUs are designed to start thermal throttling at 100C and yours is set to 98C. That's not bad. My Asus UM uses a -13C offset to the thermal throttling temperature.

The Level 1, Level 2 and TDP Level Control is for the 2nd Gen, 3rd Gen and probably the 4th Gen UM CPUs.

The last feature lets you balance the power budget between the Intel CPU and the Intel GPU. If you check off Intel Power Balance and set CPU to 0 and GPU to 31, that should favor the GPU when you reach the TDP limit. I am not sure how useful this feature is going to be but I decided to throw it out there so users can check it out. I found that adjusting these two values could make a significant difference on what got throttled first. I tested this on my 3rd Gen UM CPU with the Nvidia GPU disabled.

Can you open a command window with Admin privileges and type in or copy and paste this:

powercfg -qh >C:\results.txt

The first q option Querys your power profile, the h option includes the Hidden values and > sends the output to results.txt and puts that file in your C: directory.

Here is what my office laptop looks like.

powercfg results - Pastebin.com

Have a look in your power profile and see if there are any Windows settings holding your Intel GPU back when on battery power. Upload your copy and paste your results to pastebin.com if you want me to have a look. I just started playing with the Windows power settings so I am still learning. Manufacturers have a lot of options available to manipulate CPUs so you need to look at everything.

 

Mine is set as -5 for PROCHOT................

 

Ok, so the "Prochot -2" check box (even i fnot checked) the -2 means -2 offset from Tmax then?

Here's my powercfg at pastebin:

W230ST - Pastebin.com

Thanks for any assistance you can offer.

 

Great thread, thanks unclewebb for the help with these problems! I swear the faster laptops get the manufacturers neuter them even worse with performance on battery. I still can't game on battery as well as my old Alienware m11x could with it's now antiquated dgpu... ran awesome on battery.

 

Well heck, the Intel 4600 GPU can manage BF3 at low/med settings at 720p at 40FPS+ for 64 player multiplayer. This could work with battery, if you reduce CPU performance to 2GHz and limit FPS to 30FPS, probably be able to play two hours on battery. But the fact that the GPU is so gimped is frustrating.

 

I don't know if this is a glitch or what, but I set it so Throttlestop would start minimized and to tray, but the icon doesn't show up in the tray.

 

What method do you use to start ThrottleStop? I have had good success with the task scheduler method as outlined in the second post in the ThrottleStop Guide. I can't remember doing any Windows 8 testing of this feature. If the Task Scheduler start up method doesn't work, let me know.

I don't see anything obvious in the powercfg that would be responsible for low GPU MHz when on battery power.

Edit: I tried adding ThrottleStop to the start up sequence using Windows 8. I think there are a couple of minor changes compared to doing this in WIndows 7 but when using the Task Scheduler, it seems to work OK still. I took a handful of screenshots of what the Task Scheduler should look like. Compare to that and this should work for you.

http://www.mediafire.com/?6tnz3ccauuq3ekk

You have to make sure that ThrottleStop only runs when you log on or else it will start before the task bar exists so it won't be able to create a system tray icon for you. Something like that might be happening.

 

I use the task scheduler method and ts start fine in tray (win8 ). 5.0 used to quit after sleep, i believe 5.x beta on ti fixed that. Haven't check with 6.0.

Do you want a new dedicated thread for ts 6.0? Though you will get alot more question and spend load of time replying them.

Edit: confirm 6.0 stay running after resume from sleep.

 

Thanks Unclewebb. I'm using Windows 7, and it happens if I just double click a shortcut icon. But only if I have it start up minimized. If it starts up with the window, it seems to be fine. If I delete the ini file then it starts up fine again but of course lose my settings. I really only planned on starting it up on demand when I need/want it though. Also if I set the CPU and then turn off Tstop it doesn't hand off the control to Windows power config either, it just stays at that same frequency.

 

Did you try doing this?

How to Clean the Notification Area Icon Cache in Windows 7 & Windows 8 | 7 Tutorials

The .bat file in this tutorial cleans out all the icons from the Notification Area / System Tray. This should fix the problem you are having. After you clean out the notification area, go into the Control Panel - Notifcation Area Icons. I use the Show Icon and Notifications option for ThrottleStop and I don't have any problems in Windows 7 or Windows 8. If you delete the ThrottleStop.INI file then you will probably have to clean out the Notification Area again. I will look into coming up with a simpler solution for this someday.

When you click on Turn Off in ThrottleStop, that simply stops ThrottleStop from modifying the CPU control registers any more. Your CPU will be left in whatever state it was in when you clicked on that button. Windows will take over from there but your CPU is not in its initial boot up state so it's anyone's guess what speed your CPU will be running at.

There is a ThrottleStop option called Do Not Reset FID/VID on Exit. Make sure that box is NOT checked and try exiting ThrottleStop after you click on Turn Off. After you do that, switch Windows from High Performance back to Balanced and see what happens. That might allow Windows to fully take over control of your CPU.

There is a thread in my signature for ThrottleStop discussion so head over there if you have some more questions. I appreciate the feedback.