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    The Opera Thread!

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by MidnightSun, Jan 27, 2012.

  1. MidnightSun

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    Ah. Make sure you don't add too many subscriptions, especially those under the "Experimental" section (including EasyList). Try using only one list (Fanboy main list) and see if the freezes continue. You can access all these configurations at Ctrl + Shift + E > wrench icon by Opera Adblock > Preferences.
     
  2. killkenny1

    killkenny1 Too weird to live, too rare to die.

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    Thanks gonna check it out.
    Strange though, I have signed to 3 subscriptions in FF and it works well.
    I may have signed to one of those experimental lists :D.
     
  3. MidnightSun

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    Yeah, I think it comes down to the fact that extensions in Chrome and Opera don't have the "privileges" that extensions in Firefox do, which allow extensions to be better-integrated. Opera's improved this somewhat with 11.50; extensions could do remarkably little back in the original 11.00 release.

    Give the default Fanboy list a try and see how it works out for you.
     
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    This week's Opera 12.00 build has some significant hardware acceleration improvements, and for those on Mac there's some major font-rendering changes. See here for details.

    There's also a new Opera 11.62 snapshot with minor fixesd and speed improvements.
     
  5. Johnny T

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    Been crashing alot for me (12 alpha, not the 64 bit).
     
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    Yeah, I haven't tried 12.00 myself, so I can't really speak to it. Is it just with the latest release?
     
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    Shemmy Notebook Evangelist

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    I'm running the most recent build from Opera Next on my 32-bit install at work. I haven't tried it on my W2K8R2 workstation at home yet. There haven't been any issues on my 32-bit install. I'll check out the 64-bit at home and see how things go.
     
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    The last two builds have been pretty buggy for me. It doesn't seem to like Facebook. :p
     
  9. MidnightSun

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    Yeah, Opera has historically had some issue with Facebook. The plus side is that since it's such a widely used website, the issues get squashed pretty quickly... but then FB tweaks their layout again.

    In any case, there's a new snapshot of Opera 12.00 today with a bunch of fixes, so give it a try, Johnny! ;)

    Opera Desktop Team - Core update with better CSS unit precision
     
  10. Cin'

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    Thank you for this thread, MidnightSun. : ) It's very helpful!
    Started using Opera more heavily now as Chrome has been causing issues me.
     
  11. tijo

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    Quick question although no one may be able to answer.

    Opera assumes the .mph extension is a zip file for some reason, any way to fix that? I must be honest, i didn't take the time to look for one yet though.
     
  12. MidnightSun

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    Thanks for the sticky, Charles! ;)

    Glad it's been helpful, hope Opera works out well for you! :)

    Go to Ctrl + F12 > Advanced > Downloads, perhaps there's something funky going on there with the file type?
     
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    Well, it's in the mail client and to be honest, .mph is a rather obscure file type (COMSOL Multiphysics, formerly FEMLAB).
     
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    Opera 11.62 is nearing release, with the RC1 just announced today. The final version should be released very soon as well.

    In more exciting news, the Opera 12.00 alpha has been updated with both Windows and Mac 64-bit builds that feature out-of-process plugins, new HTML5 additions, CSS optimizations, and a new version of the Presto core engine.
     
  15. Johnny T

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    I need to try that new 64bit build when I get home. :p

    -Tapatalk
     
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    As promised, Opera 11.62 is now released: some security and stability fixes, as well as a few minor performance tweaks. You can go to Menu > Help > Check for Updates to get the update manually, otherwise it'll roll out gradually this week.

    The next release will be Opera 12, which will be pretty exciting :)
     
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    Updating right now, will report if i experience any problems or oddities.
     
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    Could just be me, but FB seems to load faster and take up less CPU cycles. Not sure, though.

    Some people are complaining about Steam Store issues, but it seems to work fine for me.
     
  19. Bullit

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    These last v12 alphas have been horrible incluing 1351. Hang ups, crashes, forums that can't work because it hangs.
    I understand that there are bugs in an alpha but don't understand why it can turns for worse several times.
     
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    It's often because a fix for one issue may break something else.
     
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    A new Opera 12 Alpha version is now released. Several major hardware acceleration fixes, and most users are reporting that it's more stable overall. Also, a new opera:cpu page to monitor CPU usage of the opened tabs.
     
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    I'll still wait for the official release to update, but it's nice to see things moving.
     
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    I returned to 12.00 alpha 1227 the last that don't have too many bugs.
     
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    kakarlsen Newbie

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    I've been using Opera as my main browser since 2001, so thanks a lot for trying to spread the word!

    One thing I didn't see in the OP was the use of single-key shortcuts, witch I find very useful. Especially 1/2 for tab-switching.
     
  26. MidnightSun

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    We're getting somre more fleshed-out address bar tweaks in the latest Opera Next build, along with the usual bugfixes: see here for more information and to download.

    Definitely :)

    I'm thinking about adding a section on keyboard shortcuts in general, as quite a few people seem to use them in other browsers. It's unfamiliar territory for me, though, since I'm a mouse-reliant person. Thanks for the tip!
     
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    One extension I really like is Snap Links. It may have a limited use, but I find it very useful for opening separate tabs for active threads on forums I frequent.
     
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    Is there any way to have 2 tabs opened side by side?
     
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    re: single key shortcuts,
    i don't know about the rest of you, but I find that i'm using the q/a and w/s shortcuts A LOT.

    i find the easiest way is to right-click the tab, select "restore" on each tab, then arrange them as you need

    or if you only have 2 tabs open, just shift + f6
     
  30. Bullit

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    Thanks daver160

    rep sent.
     
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    glad to have helped. i can't believe i missed this thread! very handy to have all the tips and tricks laid out in a linear read (rather than relying on stumbling upon my.opera.com blogs)
     
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    Does anyone have issues with the Verge's website? Even its main page is horrible to scroll in on Opera, its laggy and jerky on pretty much any page you go to there; I'm not sure why, but its the only site that gives Opera issues for me.
     
  34. MidnightSun

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    Yep, same. I'd imagine it's the same thing as what was happening with Facebook a while back: Opera's doing too much "work" rendering the content with their layout code. Doesn't help that The Verge is very content-rich as is.
     
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    Kuu That Quiet Person

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    Ah, that helps me because I was thinking it was an extension I added in or something.

    I haven't tested it with the beta though, I installed that on Windows 8, maybe I'll look into that tomorrow..
     
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    After some detective work, it would seem that a possible reason for the poor performance on The Verge is the heavy use of Javascript. The Verge does suffer a bit from " content overload" though...
     
  37. baii

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    Interesting, I think I should give opera a try. Does opera suffer as much compare to chrome for multi-tab?

    chrome kneel down around 20 tabs per windows on some of my frequent visited blog/forums/youtube.

    Edit: one thing that I notice is that opera seem to don't have much customized skin? I am a "kid" and need some color and girl on my browser xD

    falling in love on opera abit for the amount of customization it have like firefox, just hoping it wont become a turtle like firefox when mounted with extensions.

    edit2: my opera adventure ended , no drag and drop kill it for me ~~ on a laptop with a clicky touch pad, right clicking is annoying , even with 2 finger tap.
     
  38. daver160

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    Don't forget that you can customise mouse gestures. (click and hold right mouse button).
    As for memory usage, Opera is not immune to the "XYZ browser is eating up all my memory". I find that Opera is generally more... hungry... when there is lots of free RAM in your system, but it can also be very sparing if there is not much memory available. For example I currently have about 30-40 tabs open across 3 windows (on 3 different monitors). Right now Opera is using up about 1.5GB/16GB of my desktop's memory (keep in mind that I hav some web apps debugging in the background so this is expected). Normal usage on my laptops is anywhere from 50MB to 500MB (both laptops have 8GB RAM).

    I find that Opera is less "user friendly" than Chrome and Firefox who seem to dedicate their functionality to every possible person on the planet. A lot of users on Chrome and FF don't seem to appreciate the use of keyboard shortcuts. I can navigate everything in Opera with just one hand using the keys Z,X,Q,W,E,A,S,D,6,9,0,F1 (custom, switch to previous tab), F2 (custom, switch to next tab),F3,F8.

    That said, I understand why many users would like the extra usability functionality such as drag and drop of images (quick download/save to folders) and extra smooth scrolling. However, IMO Opera's features seem to be more appropriate to a niche set of users. I believe I fall under that niche, and I don't customize Opera at all. THe only extensions I have are AdBlock, ImgTip, and Kick a$$ (because coffee breaks aren't complete without Asteroids!).
     
  39. baii

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    does mouse gesture work well with touchpad?(no button clicking). right mouse on touchpad = 2finger tap which is not really convenient for gesture. I tried before with mouse but i find keyboard shortcut is faster.

    I do like the customization, and chrome require some extension for some minimal function. Would had use firefox if not for its slow startup with extensions loaded.

    I forgot 1 thing that make no drag/drop text a pita for me. I read/write/listen/speak chinese but I can't type chinese so drag word to phase/sentence search is fastest :D
     
  40. daver160

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    unfortunately no, mouse gestures require that you hold down the right-click for a full second (to register). i don't know if tap-and-hold the two-finger touchpad would activate the mouse gestures.

    as for drag and drop text, that's a nice-to-have feature that i actually would prefer not to have. i like the granularity of highlighting the text i want and right-click + C.
     
  41. MidnightSun

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    Opera 12 beta has been released! Download it and read about new features here. See the latest blog posts on Opera 12 beta here.
    Unless I misunderstood you, no, you don't have to hold right-mouse for a second to register a mouse gesture (there is a delay before the visual hint comes up, though--personally I have those disabled).

    I don't have multitouch enabled, but if two-finger tap is right-click, it could feasibly work with gestures as well, ie two-finger drag left to go back. Not sure. You could try it out and report back!
     
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    Sorry I think I over-generalised a bit. When I meant it takes a second to register the mouse gesture, I meant that it may take a few cycles for the touchpad to determine the difference between its own gestures and Opera's mouse gestures. For example many multitouch touchpads have their own hardware/driver level gestures that may kick in before Opera's mouse gestures, except for the basic up/down/left/right/hooks. This happens on my Dell Vostro, but not on my XPS15, due to the touchpad's own set of gestures.

    As for the two-finger right-click, I am unable to get the mouse gestures going on my machines. Maybe I was doing it wrong, but I didn't spend any time trying to solve the issue as I only ever really use my touchpad in cramped spaces as I use a USB mouse 90% anyways.
     
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    glad to have helped.

    also, fwiw, if you're like me and sometimes are just that lazy to use a mouse, you can use Z and X to navigate backwards and forwards, respectively, through pages.

    i find that i can do just about everything in Opera with just my left hand: navigate (Z,X,Esc,F5,Ctrl+R), move around the page (Q,W,A,S,Space), switch pages (1,2), zoom pages (8 out,9 in,0 reset). That covers about every "standard" functionality that your grandmother would use in a web browser :)
     
  44. jaug1337

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    Beautiful thread! +rep when I can give ;)

    Good job, I wonder if it's okay if I borrow some of your code? credits will be given.
     
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    Thanks :)

    And sure, a lot of the formatting I used is borrowed from justinkw1 and 2.0™ anyway. All I did was choose the font faces, make the Opera "O" logo, and a few minor tweaks :p
     
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    Hmm, now i'm kinda interested in using Opera
     
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    Opera 11.64 is released, with some minor stability/performance and security fixes:
    Also, Opera 12.00 Beta has been updated, with Mac sandboxing.
     
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    I started using Opera again. I've always like the smooth scroll of Opera. And Opera has features other browsers just started implementing.
     
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    The last 64bit build is very stable. No flash shuttering or crashing.
     
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    Great to hear. I would love to update my Clevo EU reseller thread with this technique hehe :cool:
     
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