There is no powerful laptop yet STILL, which will handle 4K@60 (2160p60) without dGPU?

Or can someone prove me wrong??
Please play this video and let me know ! DO NOT force your nvidia's GPUs , But integrated GPU ! Poor intel HD 630 or if anybody has AMD VEGA latest which is 5x better than intel's .. But I bet not many of you have AMD CPU ...
I wanna see who will have lowest frame drop so best CPU
Here is the video open in chrome -> youtube -> se to 4k@60 and play in full screen then right click on mouse -> bottom choose stats for nerds .. and check how many frames dropped...
Thank youu

 

Also there is no Real world Desktop beyond a Uber 2-3-4 SLI that may be able to handle this if then GPU software was designed to run this. Not all GPU will perform the same or produce the same results. We need to download that software not run it from a site that bandwidth withdrawals. Streaming from YT is a Very POOR indicator of GPU optimizations.

 

Even on desktop 3900X with 5700XT is dropping 48 when I tested it to 10,000 frames. But server with 2700X and Vega Frontier Edition only dropped 13 of the 10,000 frames. Factoring in internet and the fact its a poorly encoded video frame loss on youtube 4k60 is going to be normal.

The mobile variant of Vega on this current gen with the ryzen will handle local 4K60 and even 8K24. Radeons engine for decoding is separate from the actual compute part of the core. Pairing it with a laptop containing a 4800 or 4900H/S would be your best best for meeting needs in laptop form factor, or waiting for 5700M even.

 

It is not about GPU ... tho .. if u open taskbar graphics engages slightly wht it needs to work is actual CPU.. And yet they are soo slow..
This probably needs top RYZEN or EPYC processor ..
NO it is not about download ..ppl not gonna download stuff from YT and watch it.... or me I wanna fluently stream 4k@60 got now 65'' 4k@60 TV and mine laptop Acer Aspire S7-393 i7 5500U haha old I know had 6gen i7-6700HQ with GTX 970M but I sold it as I want to buy either asus with amd 4900HS or Acer Triton 500 with intel 10gen and 2070 RTX

 

NO no it isn't poorly encoded youtube uses their own standard
But it depends of the youtube uploader what format they upload and then compatibility with YT format ..
I already was blaming that action camera HERO god knows what format they use, but I tried other videos and still stuttering.. There is difference if the uploader uploads 4k@24 the video is less heavy .. even 4k@30 handles ok .. but as soon as someone uploads full 4k@60 it is enormously large I can't even imagine 8K@60 which PC / Laptop gonna handle ...
But 48 is pretty good you have no lag or stutter then..
Yes I was checking that asus with 4900HS best laptop cpu and AMD could pair it up with the best vega gpu..

 

Modern graphics cards have dedicated hardware specifically for decoding video VP9. Mobile Vega (as of Raven Ridge) and navi, for example, have dedicated processors that exist outside of the Compute Units just to handle video. I was playing World of Warships when I got those 48 frames dropped. It isn't some magical thing, just like how using the CPU to render graphics is bad, but using a graphics card for graphics works great, using dedicated video decode hardware works much better than using GPU compute. The only limitation is hardware decode has to have "pipelines" for the way the supported codecs handle stuff. Any h.264, HEVC or VP9 will be decoded in special hardware. Not on the Compute Units in the GPU or on the CPU. A whole different little processor within the same package as the graphics core, but not as part of the graphics core. Video can be very cache sensitive so if anything happens on the network such that would cause an amount of buffer bloat you might see frames dropped in favor of maintaining pacing and quality. The internet quality is going to matter in each scenario too. Oh..and not using a ULV proccessor lol modern generations handle it better but you will be fine once you step away from U series.

For your TV if you really want to be watching 4K60 like that I would invest in the nvidia shield and just enjoy yourself! It also has nice AI Upscaling for non 4K content which seems up your alley and is worth it over any PC headaches.

Your best bet will be going for that asus though and also make sure you have nothing like killer networking which does traffic shaping but the new shield for TV specifically is a good grab.

 

There is possibility that hero 7 using h. 265 codec and YT bit struggle with converting...
I know, this 5 year old ultrabook is 5th gen i7 5500U with Intel HD 5500 GPU 8GB ram as my temporary "gateway" hehe until I get new gaming, as I sold my 6th gen MSi and that laptop had i7 6700HQ with Intel HD 530 and it was struggling too with 4k@60 but when I set Google chrome to run with GTX 970M it smoothed out nicely no skipping or stuttering video
Oh and I forgot to mention TV has built-in YouTube and when I tested this 4k@60 video it just freezes after few seconds haha... I had to drop it to 2k...

 

i5 9300h no dropped frames. like what are you talking about?

 

Woow nice .. surprised with i5

 

I don't know if u blind or somettin'
Guys above tested it..
Read PROPERLY no any downlands!!
Stream 4k@60 capito?
Of course downloaded is piece of cake.. For old too
Stream it in chrome!

 

Sounds like more of an internet connection test than a hardware test.

 

Just played some 4K/60 video using Firefox on my Blade Stealth. Only dropped a few frames over the course of roughly five minutes.

 

Over 10,000 frames in, 0 dropped. i7-9750H handles it with no issues at all.

The only things that make me drop frames are making it fullscreen, or leaving fullscreen, or switching tabs.

I don't mean that it drops frames when in fullscreen, I mean it drops 1-2 frames when changing to fullscreen.

 

Do you think firefox is better than chrome ?? chrome is veryt heavy too many processes I could nearly call it an OS haha

 

This is I wanted to see !
of course because u have nearly latest CPU and running high performance and engaged your dedicated GPU ! PLease run video with intel HD gpu .. This thread is ABOUT when intel started HAVE proper CPU which will handle streaming 4k@60 content..
THe intel 6th I had previously had struggle and ran on 100% sweating.. only nvidia 970M helped when I ran chrome with dedicated GPU..
So this confirms that ONLY from 9th intel i7 (maybe i5 too) is capable running 4k@60 without any problems
Thank you very much

 

No clue why you think I'm using my GTX 1660 TI. I'm not. My integrated GPU is at 45% usage, my CPU is at 20%. Neither is being taxed. 1660 TI is showing 0% usage.

 

Pretty sure I could run the video fine in two monitors at once without dropping any frames, and if I were to use the 1660 TI, probably in up to 5 monitors at once.

I see no reason that a 4th gen i7 can't handle it fine if it only pushes my 9th gen i7 to 20% utilization.

 

I have now 5th i7 5500U it handles 2k with no problems and even 4k@24 or 4k@30 as soon as it is 4k@60 which is usualy now H.265 codec it starts struggling .. even 6th gen 6700HQ little bit struglled .. Maybe from 8th it is nice and smooth

One more thing when you guyz play video and u switch to full screen does your switching takes too long 2 or 3 secs, or it is instant? of course on youtube ...
I just want proper fast cpu hate when something thinking too long ..
thinking 10th gen i 7-10875H or AMD Ryzen 9 4900HS

 

It's instant to switch to and from fullscreen. It does drop frames when it changes to fullscreen, but 1-3 frames, so it's still pretty much instant. ie. Dropping 3 frames when changing means it took .05 seconds (3/60).

 

yeah that's fine .. there must be som drop little when switching .. not much bothered about little frame drop as low dropss will not stop video nor skip ..
For me it takes 2 secs or 2,5 secs to switch to full ..

 

I actually cannot force my cpu's integrated gpu. Im literally firmware locked out and believe it or not, there isnt even enough capacitors soldered on for full cpu and igpu power, just for cpu. I can "kick" it on by convincing the thing that the main gpu doesnt exist, but wow its literally slow as hell. Warframe couldnt even load, thats how slow.

 

Maybe your iGPU is not working at all..
Because Warframe runs on Intel iGPUs:

 

No in Google chrome integrated is initiated.. It is in Nvidia settings by default

 

I dont know then because I see absolutely no usage of the igpu with chrome being active, either in 3d graphics or video. I dont have optimus or a mux switch btw.

 

This is purely only for laptops
Not desktops

 

It has nothing to do with the compute units in the GPU, but the fixed function media decode units in the GPU.

The reason your 5th and 6th Gen core doesn't work is because it doesn't have VP9 support. Starting in 7th Gen(Kaby Lake) is when it has VP9 decode.

Tigerlake will have support for 8K60 decode in VP9 and HEVC.

 

No it works but stuttering.. So I switch to 2k instead on 5th and it is fine..
On 6th it was so so there was intel hd 530.. It was struggling but as soon as I set Nvidia gtx 970m run chrome all perfect and smooth

So not playing smooth 4k@60 streaming is because lack of features support u mentioned or cpu and gpu is weak so slow?

 

Yeah only when cpu struggling THEN it triggers gpu to help cpu.. If u have strong cpu for 4k@60 then there is no need gpu to engage..

 

It's stuttering because the CPU has to handle the decode. In Kabylake the GPU has a fixed function unit that's much faster.

The GPU and the CPU is the same in Kabylake. It just has a dedicated unit just for VP9 decode. Get it?

 

Or just use an extension on your browser so youtube sends you mp4 video that your CPU can do hardware decoding and there is no need to use the dGPU to decode the VP9 codec that youtube defaults to.

 

oh I remember it used to be option to select .. now it gone do u have link ?

 

H264ify

 

my i5 8250u laptop lenovo idea pad flex pro will do 8k with very few dropped frames...like im not sure what your using to test but its bunk

 

0 dropped of 12210

 

Thnx @saturnotaku I searched but I installed enhanced H264ify
And I found there that I can block H264, VP9 ,VP8, and VA1
After searching and googling I found out that @IntelUser was completely wrong about support
Intel 5th gen DOES SUPPORT both VP8 and VP9 codecs BUT DOESN'T support VA1 which is basically successor for both codecs.. And even HEVC is supported too !
New standard is VA1 which gonna try block and see what performance will be in 4k@60
Here is 5th gen spec pdf. : https://www.intel.com/content/dam/w...t-briefs/5th-gen-core-family-mobile-brief.pdf

 

What intel HD you have ar u sure u not using dedicated gpu?

I have older Acer Aspire S7 from 2015 which is still perfect it has 2k touch screen
intel 5th i7 5500U with intel hd 5500 gpu
256GB mSATA SSD in RAID 0
8GB RAM
4k@60 videos will play perfectly from SSD but unfortunately streaming from internet 4k@60 shows weakness but that is only because google chrome is build on millions processes + youtube format standards improved since 2015 ... But everything could be normalized much better but obviously they don't bother.. ANd Now I am looking my self to normalize it ..and make it better even with older machine..
Got it ?

 

There is problem unfortunately ..
I blocked VP8 and 9 but YT then not showing 4k nor 2k option
Well it's ok 2k plays just fine

 

There are some powerful fusion cpu/gpu chips around that amd and intel have that should easily do 4k 60hz. In general however they need to be specified as such.

 

Ordered new PC mini-ITX desktop ... now I will be set