Tried Opera Browser. Never going back to Firefox.

Nobody's forcing you to read these forums or Log on to reply. If users wants to vent or compare, then let them. Because Complaining about Complainers is kind of Ironic, don't ya think

I never said Crash, I said Freezes. And sometimes to the point were I would have to reset, which can be considered a crash. That's if you want to get technical. But yes it does cause problems when RAM usage reaches 100% or close to mark.

 

Actually i couldn't care less if he complained or not. I'm just stating how pointless it is in case anyone wanted to hear.

 

hey Opera fans, how can i get instant access to bookmark like the way I do with FF (through bookmark tool bar). Thx be4 hand.

 

If you turn on the start bar, then whenever you click in the text field to enter a URL, a little dropdown pops up, and one of the selections is bookmarks. I also think it comes with a pane off to the left side for bookmarks and notes enabled by default, but I usually turn it off so I'm not sure what all's on it. I don't use FF much, so I'm not sure if that's what you're looking for.

Other than that, I don't see the need for all the hate here. Both FF and Opera have their good points and bad points, and both are perfectly valid choices. Like I've said before, my only problem with FF (aside from some of the technical issues that are getting fixed) is that somehow FF has become the hip new thing that everyone has to use to show how indie or rebellious they are, but not a one of them would even try Opera for years before FF came out because IE was "good enough." Even though I find it annoying, I have to admit it's some masterful marketing on the part of the FF folks.

 

Opera fan.. you must mean me

I've got a few things for you, so hopefully one will fit the bill. First off, there's the Personal Bar, which is a lot like the bookmarks toolbar (what's on it can be set by right-clicking entries in your bookmarks and setting the personal bar option). You can turn it on via Tools->Appearance->Toolbars->Personal Bar. Note that you can drag the url from the address bar to any toolbar and it will work -- if you only have a few, you may prefer this to using the Personal Bar.

Secondly, there's the shortcuts/hotkeys approach. ctrl+L and F8 both take you to the address bar, and you can make aliases for favorite web sites (and indeed, favorite searches). Speed Dial lets you use Ctrl + [0..9] on any tab to go directly to the relevant page.

There is also the sidebar, easily accessible via F4, which has a bookmarks tab, as well as views for notes, links, transfers, and history.

 

im playing with K-Meleon right now.. will never look back to firefox. i get constant slowdowns and lock ups from it. this is SO LIGHT AND SO FAST!!! i am also going to test opera but unless i can do with it what i can with k-meleon im staying there

http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/

 

Can you point out what exactly?

Yes, it's not that it's a matter of life and death.

Trust me, it's much, much more than that!

 

YEAH OPERA OWNS FIREFOX!!

Or not.... :wink:
I would say that noone is better than the other. But I go with Opera for the same reasons as you. But Opera fails when it comes to compatibility, sadly.

People are usually so stubborn when it comes to discuss thinks like this. It all comes down to what an inividual person likes most. IE should be called best cause of the best compatibility?

I actually use all three browsers at work.

 

I put HpHosts' hosts file in my computer to show you what I mean. Here is a screen capture from Notebook Review's home page. You can see the banner is missing and replaced with an error message.



Do you know a way to prevent that?

 

That part is also exactly why I hate seeing Opera clocking in at a measly 2-4% in the traffic stats on my websites, while Firefox has been at a rather substantial 20-25% for the last two years or so.
And that's also why I tend to jump on every chance of telling just how great I think Opera is .

I firmly believe Opera and Firefox (plus a bunch of plugins for the latter to get it up to speed in terms of features) are both fantastic browsers - but for some reason it really does piss me off a bit that hardly anyone bothers giving Opera a chance, while everyone and their grandmother are jumping on the FF bandwagon because, well, everyone else does it and it's obviously a great browser (if not necessarily better than Opera - and obviously, being an Opera fan, I feel the opposite is the case if anything ).

No doubt the good folks at Opera has blown it in the marketing department (quite severely - or perhaps the Firefox team just managed to pull off an exceptional stunt, but whichever it was the skewed outcome has obviously been the same), and I imagine it's going to be next to impossible to turn that around at this point.
But I'm hoping they can at least increase their market shares by another few percent so they can at least stay in business for years to come. I would hate to see development of this fantastic browser die out (though there certainly hasn't been any indications that should be about to happen either).

 

I use this one, apparently the best available online. I just replace it, nothing more, nothing less. Try this one.

 

That little server applet they have works great. I set it to return a transparent gif. A much needed improvent to running a hosts file. Thanks.

 

I don't know man, I don't use anything with it, and I never get that message. I'm glad it worked out for you though.

 

I laughed at the comment of Firefox people being "spoon-fed"

Then I assume you should start using Linux because then you shouldn't be spoon-fed.

Fact is, until Opera has a simple adblock system that can be configured in 2 minutes with little to no technical no-how (Try explaining the host files to your non-tech friends, addons are much easier to explain), I won't be using it significantly.

 

It's a little utility called HostsMan and includes a small HTTP server that listens to 127.0.0.1 so that anything being sent to 127.0.0.1 via the hosts file gets a transparent gif returned by the server. Without the server, I get the "cannot display the webpage" message where the ad would have been. It depends on the page, though. Some ads don't have the message, like those at MLB Trader, but some do, like here at Notebook Review.

The utility is linked from the page you provided and is located here:

http://www.abelhadigital.com/2007/06/hostsman-3040-released.html

I wonder if there is something different in Vista (which I think you use) as compared to XP that you don't see these messages. Or perhaps just a difference in settings?

 

Yes, a simple file download-and-replace that works globally is such a difficult task to do, that they have to install an "addon" (and probably configure some settings?), and carry it with himself/herself for every re-install of Firefox, and which won't work with anything other than Firefox!

The point was not eating with a spoon, but who makes you eat with a spoon. Is it you who use a spoon to eat, or s omeone else who uses a spoon to feed you!

I haven't changed anything. Ther are not setting or such, it is a simple replacement of the original file (like you did), and that's it. Maybe it's Vista.

 

Yea, IMO that's what's keeping it from being the perfect browser. But I don't run into compatibility problems that often tho.

I also not married to any browser. With so much frequent upgrades and changes, it seems like a browser battle that will never finalize. Even IE7 was a strong contender for the first 1yr after release.

 

Only if you didn't look at its feature list.

Compared to install a Firefox add-on? yes.
And isn't it a bit counterproductive to download and replace? Then you'll lose all the existing entries in your hosts file. How is that an improvement?

Ah, you use telnet to browse the web then?
Don't be silly, the entire *point* in using a browser is to have it do all the hard work showing you webpages the way you want them to be shown. That's why it parses HTML too, you know. It's also why it should have a good ad blocker, or a popup blocker, or any of the dozens of other features, like form autocompletion, tabs or whatever else you can think of.

 

There is only a couple of thing sI don't like about Opera. One is the fact there are some sites that don't support Opera but do support IE and FireFox. Also for some things like when I'm logged into Gmail 2.0 it seems that it takes longer to view/delete messages when I click on them compared to using FireFox. There are a lot of things I like about FireFox, especially the themes and addons, but I have had issues a number of times with FireFox locking up when I would open multiple tabs and at times it would just flat out crash, especially in XP. FireFox just seems to of gotten more buggy as far as crashes in more recent releases compared to what I remember back in early releases.

 

Exactly what I'm experiencing. While Opera is indeed faster, sadly some sites such as gmail don't work well. Anyway I'm switching back to firefox.

 

Some sites like the Citi banking site don't seem to work period in Opera.

 

yep im not a huge fan at all. i honestly cant see how people say opera is faster than firefox. i dont see that anywhere at all. for me everything loads so much smoother and so much faster in firefox. my verizon home page takes forever at start up with opera.
i can say that with opera the longer you browse the faster things get once everything in cached in, all the places you have been if you go back to them it opens them like lightning but new sites no way. i hate the way opera loads its pages... block by block. where firefox the pages loads much more as a whole it still does load some stuff but more or less the whole page will pop up rather than load down the page. opera has some pretty cool features that i like. but noting i cant do with firefox imo.

firefox does have memory issues imo though. with 4 identical tabs in opera and firefox at the same time firfox will use almost 15-20mb more ram than opera does. and cpu usage is also a bit higher in firefox.

i wish there was a browser with more of a opera layout but with firfox features and opera's mem usage and cpu usage lol.

for those that have tried it is 9.5 a lot faster than 9.25 is??

 

I would have tried Opera if there wasn't this fanboy here who has spoiled the fun. LOL.

Seriously, open-mindedness, where'd you go?

 

- 9.5 is not official for daytoday usage, yet
- 9.5, being a beta, has loads of issues at the moment with vulnerabilites and memory leaks and freeze. It is not being recommended for normal browsing.
- 9.25 is the current offical security update of Opera, it is much more stable than 9.5
- being faster, i m not so sure, it depends with what snapshot of 9.5 one currently tested. The very first snapshot of 9.5 was quite fast, more than the 9.24 at the time.

cheers ...

 

That is what I have read, but not significantly enough that I have noticed. I haven't used it much though.

 

As opposed to the Firefox fans? Come on.

Here's an idea. It's a thing I do: I use both.

I use Opera as my browser of choice, and Firefox for the few pathetic excuses for sites that fail to render properly in it ( ), or for sites with Flash I actually want to see, but can't be bothered to whitelist. (My personal hatred is for the ones that do in fact, render just fine in Opera, but say they're only "compatible" with IE or FF, and don't let me on-- I generally leave those on principle.) I also use Firefox for its extensions in specific situations, or sometimes I just wind up with a tab open and progress from there. I would like to note that I have come across sites that display properly in Opera but not in Firefox, so it's not entirely one-way. (ok. exactly two sites... )

PS. What's wrong with gmail? I opened it up in Opera briefly and it seemed fine.

 

sites names? links?

cheers ...

 

Arguably not something many would concern themselves with, but I notice a difference between how well IE handles pages with scripts disabled compared to Opera doing the same. Firefox may handle it better too.

Many times when scripts are disabled ads will be left out of the page. At serveral of the off-site news headlines linked from CNN's main page the text will subsequently be misplaced, layered over other page elements, when scripts are disabled. I'll see what I can find and edit in an example link.

Edit Starts:

If you open the link below in Opera 9.24, IE 7, and the only version of Firefox I have installed, 1.0, all with scripts disabled, you can see the difference. In IE and Firefox the text remains centered. In Opera a small bit of the text gets layered over the picture of the astronaut. Opera does render the page fine if scripts are enabled.

http://www.local6.com/news/14894525/detail.html

I love Opera's features and I use it, but it does fall behind in rendering some pages well; Be it glitches in its engine or a lack of enhancements included in IE and Firefox.

 

Am I the only one here using AOL Explorer? I've tried he new IE and the FF and the AOL seems faster to load up and more aesthetically pleasing (with customization) than the other two. But I will try Opera and see how it compares. FF has too much pop-up windows asking you to save passwords and the like, while IE, even though it looks nice, seems like it's trying too hard by adding a lot of misc. things. You guys should get on the AOL Explorer bandwagon. LOL

 

Yes.

AOL? What's that? Oh, I remember: That ISP that smacked their own arse selling way more accounts than their modems could handle. The dial-up days. AOL is poor corporate decision lingo for "busy signal."

P.S. You're using IE with a brand if I'm not mistaken.

 

Yep. AOL uses the same Trident rendering engine as IE.

 

Wait! Ver. 1.0 ? Why don't you install the latest 2.0.0.11. It's much more secure and renders better!

 

It's a work computer where Firefox isn't even used so there hasn't been any need to update it. If anything, it'll probably just get uninstalled. I always install the latest version on my own computer.

I'm looking forward to 3.0. Ghn mentioned that Firefox got rid of their broken image icons that display while a page loads, something I will appreciate.

 

I'll stick with IE7. It's never crashed on me and does what I need and want it to do just fine.

 

But have you tried the other browsers! Why don't you give it a shot, instead of sticking to IE just because it works well for you.

 

There is always a lot of lag for me when opening or switching between tabs in IE7 for some reason. I didn't notice being the case when I did a clean install of Vista Home Premium on a Dell laptop although it did it previously. Are there certain versions of IE7 that work better than more recent versions? Any suggestions on improved tabbing performance?

 

what is ur current version? u can check against the latest one from filehippo.com or go thru windows update and see

many IE users swear by this addon
http://www.bestvistadownloads.com/software/t-free-ie7pro-download-xruulxsu.html

cheers ...

 

Create a free account on www.logmein.com (a truly great free tool for remote controlling PC's and Macs). Login with Opera if you can...try to remote a PC....it will crash and burn big time.

I like it but i use the crap out of logmein for my job.....Opera needs to work with logmein.

 

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

If you're satisfied with what you're using, you're obviously unlikely to feel that you're missing out on something - that is, until the day where you might be tempted to try out an alternative product afterall, and suddenly find yourself wondering how the hell you managed to be content without all those nifty and extremely useful features that were nowhere to be found in your old product .

Looking at it objectively, I actually think IE7 appears to be a pretty decent browser (I've used it on a few occasions) - but as good as it may be for simple use, it's just so utterly inefficient compared to Opera (and Firefox) because it has none of the customization features, shortcuts, tools and options you find in the other two browsers.
If you're just doing some basic browsing a couple of hours a day IE might get the job done, but I would definately have both my work productivity (home office) and leisure surfing severely hampered without Opera - and I'm not even talking about advanced features I may rarely use, but something as simple as an efficient layout of the interface and customized keyboard shortcuts and mouse gestures.

 

I prefer Opera myself ("New tab" button + massive urlfilter.ini), but in some cases, it's just better to use the default program. For example, my grandparents tried IE7, but all they get is 404 pages. So they stick with IE6. They'd spend more time learning a new browser than using it.

 

That's why I use Maxthon! ..oh and Opera now and again.

Fight Firefox!

 

yeah right! pick on a smaller guy first , practice it well before taking on a bigger guy like IE

cheers ...

 

I agree, but aren't you curious about how it'll work for you? Might be fun to try just for the hell of it.

On that note: off to SnapFiles or Download.com to find Maxthon in order to see what it's like.

 

Yes..slap him about a bit and tell him to stop promoting Firefox like it's some sort of progressive religion.

 

Firefox works for me. Gotta have NoScript and Adblock+.

 

hxxp://www.smouch.net/lol/

Have fun! No adverse effects in Opera, just a video playing. I understand it's quite annoying in Firefox and I tried it in IE. What a Joy it was in IE. Poor guy that hit it with Firefox thought is was malware it was so bad.

 

FireFox is still the best for me using Ubuntu(Linux). Wonders why the infamous memory leak does happen on Linux?

BTW ....... Has anyone be able to get the Aspell(Spell Check) to work with Opera? It downloads Aspell by default but how do you activate it? I really need my spell check. LOL

 

under Minefield build 2007122205:
. did show the video music, clear and sharp streaming
. cannot close the tab or windows
. must end process via task manager
. no change in memory and cpu performance

under Opera 9.5 snapshot 9716
. first start, empty inside windows, music playing
. close, restarted the link
. video and music on, picture very fuzzy, hesitation between frame
. video windows jumped all over inside the opera windows for few seconds before settling at left top corner
. cannot transfer the video windows outside the main page (by design?)
. can be shut down via the close button

Facts:
. www.smouch.net does not pose problem/issue/funny adverse effect to Firefox (or IE or Safari)
. only this /lol/ link
. one can visit smouch.net and chooses any other videos and shows with NO adverse effect to the browser performance (same under IE and Safari)

u mentioned 2 sites to be specific, what is the other one?

cheers ...

 

more about the "prank" found by Tranquility
http://www.incrysis.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=11834

and the reverse spell from one user
"Just hold down enter. It'll get rid of them in about 10 seconds"

and another:
"it was really easy to close for me. Once you catch the window it stops moving, then you close window and hold enter."

cheers ...