VISTA UPGRADE - watch out!

do not know how true this is, but just came across:

*** vista upgrade INVALIDATES previous OS ***
http://www.infopackets.com/channels...202_vista_upgrade_invalidates_previous_os.htm

cheers ...

 

I find that rather unlikely unless perhaps it is a bug of some sorts. I dont think Microsoft can legally invalidate a product you have legally purchased whether with your system or as a retail pack. And besdies the link it provides for its proof is an apple/mac site eh?

 

It's true. Micro$oft's EULA clearly state that you cannot go back to older version after you trade in your key for a vista upgrade. It does suck, but this is why upgrades are cheaper than retails...

 

m$ conspiracy... try Vista to Vista clean update.. so they cant invalidate ur XP...

 

why not just reformat and use an XP CD to install WinXP if you want to go back.

 

You can't Fry. The XP cd key will be blacklisted the very moment you upgrade to VISTA. The next time you roll back to XP, you won't be able to activate XP =/

 

Wait... so they make you turn in your old OS key in order to upgrade?
WTF is that?

 

thats shocking!! Do they give you a new Vista key or do you use your old XP key ? It makes a little sense if they use the same key.

 

Am I the only one not surprised by this? I don't like it but from a business standpoint it kinda makes sense.
(My reasons pertain only to installing an "upgrade" version of Vista -- if this pertains to a full version, then I think this is absolute lunacy)

1. In order to install an "upgrade" version you must have proof that you own a prior version of the software -- a product key.
2. Because you already own this prior product you're permitted to purchase the new software at a discounted price (think of it like a customer loyalty discount when you buy a new car -- you have to trade in the old one to get the discount on the new)
3. Microsoft expects that you'll be sticking with the newer "better" product and not reverting to XP.
4. The EULA for XP only permits it to be installed on one machine -- in this case the "install" is part of the Vista upgrade.

Please don't hate on me for defending MS. I don't like the policy, but it's business.

 

actually dragonesse you probably make the most sense. it also stops people from taking their old copy of XP and putting it on someone elses PC

 

so this is only for upgrades right? if you get the full retail, you could still use win xp right?

 

yep!
retail = flexibility = $$$$

cheers ...

 

Yea, it does make sense from a business standpoint, just isn't the greatest for the consumer. Just like you have to have Vista to run DX10. When I buy Vista, which will only be for DX10, I am just going to get the regular version, I want to have another copy of windows so when I build another machine I don't have to buy another windows copy.

 

It cost a wooping €329 here for the Home Premium retail and a €599 for the Ultimate retail. That's wat europe get for sueing m$ of anti trust policy...

 

Invalidating a previous XP key is underhanded when upgrading to Vista. Why pay for a program and then becomes useless when you upgrade? Doesn't make sense. Does that include recovery discs that's included when you buy a computer?

 

Good point. I believe that those recovery disks are already preactivated. So no worries there Also most manufacturers use only one OEM VOL key for their master windows image from which they make the recovery disks. Micro$oft cannot invalidate that OEM VOL key as other users that haven't upgraded to VISTA will be penalised...

 

I never actually Upgraded an OS. I always started from scratch. I don't even like Reinstalling over the same OS. I heard there is alot of flaws to upgrades.
Why can't MS just host a place to download Vista?

The ONLY sense I can make from disabling XP after upgrade, is if the upgrade is FREE or heavily reduced in price. Which I believe it is. As long as you can Backup the Upgrade, then I don't really see a huge problem for the consumer.
One downfall is what if you still need XP for many driver and software purposes.

It's almost like trading in old tires for a discount on new tires.
But the differ in this case is MS won't really receive anything back. So why the hell is MS doing this? My best guess would be that it's just one of many tactics to get everybody on Vista and off XP. The sooner they can stop support of XP the better.

 

actually they do - in the form of ur previous licence key

that is not too far of the mark there ...

cheers ...

 

I just bought a copy of premium upgrade. If I use it to upgrade one of my xp machines, I will loose my xp key then right? What happens then if I have to do a complete reinstall of windows for whatever reason? Would'nt I need to install xp first-then add my vista upgrade again, but if my xp is invalidated, then I am hosed?

 

at the moment - yes

correct steps

no, only if u try to activate ur xp, once xp is installed and the upgrade put on top and activating it then u r fine

cheers ...

 

Technically yes. But there is still hope for you. If you follow these instructions, u won't invalidate your xp key, but you have to clean format ur pc.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932

Micro$0ft closed the front doors but left the back doors opened

 

You can download Vista: Upgrading to Vista.

That's one of the things MS is promoting about this version of the OS.

 

I'm sorry if I am a bit confused, but is this correct:

I upgrade my XP with my Vista Premium upgrade edition and therefore it invalidates my copy of xp.

Now, if I need to reinstall windows down the line, I can still install my invalidated copy of xp-then my Vista upgrade.

I just cannot activate XP, but need to activate after Vista installs?



I kind of feel like the fella in my avatar, only M$ delivered the blow.

 

yea i've heard about those stuff, the one time you install vista, and activate (i am a vista user) then XP no more, every time you format or something you install vista, no XP, and you cant go back, cause your key is invalid, it only has Vista, it sux, but Vista is still a cool system, not pretty much of XP but cool enough, not defending them, but look at this like they do, they want XP out, so everyone uses Vista, cause on Vista you only use it 1 time on 1 pc, not like XP on 3 more PC's. Pure Cold-Blooded Business

 

You can not burn a copy of the upgrade tho. What I meant was why can't MS get allow you to Download and install the Whole OS (like in ISO form) on to a disc?

FROM MS UPGRADE LINK ........

What the hell is Eligible? Able to request via Fulfillment page?

Does this mean you need a legit excuse to ask for a DVD?

And why after FEB 25?

Also can you torrent a ISO Vista and use you Upgrade key? I doubt it. That kind of sucks in the long run.



THIS UPGRADE CRAP SEEMS TO CONTROLLING IMO.

 

Well, let's see. You can get Vista on CD, you can download it, and (as a quick web search shows) there appears to be no reason why you can't do an ISO of Vista.

Whether Microsoft discovers it and does anything about it is another issue.

No word yet on whether Vista will be available on cassette tape.

 

We are talking about UPGRADES.

I know you can download Vista to ISO etc: etc:
I have & use Vista.

I highy doubt you can use your Upgrade key on any Vista ISO.
I'm pretty sure Upgrade includes other files.

 

Thank you. And I thought we were talking Tostitos!

 

Thank you. And nobody thought you were funny

 

Uh oh. I did!

 

Go figure, Blonds find anything funny

 

Has this been confirmed by any other sources? Seems very unlikely to me. I'll have to some research, I guess.

 

Sorry, I guess I was just being me when I asked that....perhaps, I should think before I type.

 

So that means when I get my free Vista upgrade CD I will not be able to do a DUAL BOOT on my laptop with XP and Vista?

 

correct!

cheers ...

 

Has anyone ACTUALLY tested this yet? because MS also says that you can only activate your prod key online TWICE (OEM, XP), I have done it 6 - 8 times with my prod keys (reinstallations, ect). If i had loaded, activated, re-loaded, activated again, then reloaded I could not activate for another couple of months and had to call. I was also told on my xp upgrade to x64 (for free) that my (x86) product key would be blacklisted and turn unusable, that is untrue. I was able to activate and use my key months after upgrade to x64.

 

So if I install another version of XP on my dv9000 as dual boot on drive D & then do my free upgrade to vista, is it possible ?

 

this dont make sense as Acer said to me that if I want to go back to XP after Vista upgrade then I can use my recovery dvs. Now if my xp key gets invalidated then they would have told me this and told me I wont be able to activate it.

 

You should still be able to use your recovery disc since most likely it will install based on Acer OEM keys which doesnt need any activation. The key which gets deactivated during the Vista express upgrade process is the one printed/stuck on the bottom of your laptop which is unique to your laptop.

 

Ok so when I use the recovery dvd, it shouldnt ask for a cd key?

 

Yes, thats correct. If you are using the acer recovery DVD, it should not ask for any keys or activation. OEM versions are usually activated automatically based on the BIOS. Since you are installing from the recovery DVD that Acer shipped with your laptop, it wont need to be activated.