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    Vista Bootup slowed down after windows update

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by elusionist, Feb 26, 2009.

  1. elusionist

    elusionist Newbie

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    Yesterday i decided to update my vista
    there were around 600mb of pending updates

    after all done, it asked me to restart and then i noticed that its taking more than a minute to boot

    i though that it may be the fist time vista is booting after update and that may be the reason

    i again rebooted and since then everytime its taking more than a minute to boot up. How do i overcome this problem....


    Also, after the updates, my laptop refuses to connect to the wifi...the only way it works is that i switch off the wifi router and then switch it on......this i can do at home but not outside.......

    Help!!!
     
  2. McGrady

    McGrady Notebook Virtuoso

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    It will take more than 2 reboots. Also, you can uninstall the update or do a system restore to before you installed the updates.
     
  3. DetlevCM

    DetlevCM Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Vista may have rearranged boot files during the update process.

    The wi-fi problem.

    Try deleting the network and adding it again.

    What laptop do you use?
    On my Vaio sometimes I have (stress have!) to use the Smart Wi-Fi utility to get internet access and won't get any without on the Vista connection.
    Don't ask me why...
     
  4. Qwakrz

    Qwakrz Notebook Consultant

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    600MB sounds like SP1 has been installed. A windows update after SP1 is only 180MB or so.

    I know SP1 clears down all the settings that allow Vista to boot faster so it does take a few reboots and uses to get everything back to normal. Remember that its no good just doing 3 or so quick reboots as the settings are only updated for the preload cache after about 5-10 mins of the system running and being used.
     
  5. gerryf19

    gerryf19 I am the walrus

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    Your computer also needs to go through several automated defrag cycles...just don't worry about it for two weeks or so--run a manual defrag after two weeks of normal use or leave it on overnight according to your task scheduled defrag.

    Wireless--I would also delete the wireless connection and recreate it--also check for driver updates for your wireless card
     
  6. ScuderiaConchiglia

    ScuderiaConchiglia NBR Vaio Team Curmudgeon

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    To the OP:

    A manual defrag typically won't defrag the boot files. There is a command line switch required to do that. And as for the automated defrag, on some folks machines those NEVER run. Why? Because the machine is never left idle long enough for the automated task to kick in. In the task scheduler, that particular task only runs after a fixed amount of inactivity. And the usage patterns for many folks, especially laptop owners, is if they are not using the machine, it is powered off or in sleep mode. Which is why gerryf19 suggests leaving the machine on overnight.

    In my signature line below is a link to a thread where this has all been discussed in excruciating detail... big ol' grin. In the message the link takes you to are instructions and a batch file which will allow the OP to manually invoke the boot file defrag at will. One word of additional advice, prior to doing the boot file defrag it is a good idea for the system to have been rebooted at least a couple of time since the major update. During the boot process, Vista collects stats about what items are used and the order in which they were used. These stats are CRUCIAL to the boot file defrag process.

    And if you use the boot file defrag batch file, be sure to heed the warning about NOT interrupting the command prompt window!!!

    Gary
     
  7. superduty

    superduty Notebook Consultant

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    i spent more hours than i care to admit this weekend trying to speed up my computer boot up. I was about ready to switch it over to xp. Anyhow, I followed guides here on NBR and did google searches. I didnt implement all recommendations, only stuff that made sense to me and looked to be the "best bang for my buck." (all the modifications were free). Anyhow, after most of the mods I would check to see if there was any improvments.

    I skeptically (meaning not sure I would see much improvement) installed ccleaner. But it seems like that was the one thing that really made an improvement. I am most impressed.

    Good luck
     
  8. Brawn

    Brawn The Awesome

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    stop shutting down + booting the computer, just use sleep! i can't think of a single disadvantage of using sleep
     
  9. superduty

    superduty Notebook Consultant

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    How much battery is used when in sleep mode?

    What about heat generated when in sleep mode?

    I put my computer in a backpack - will it be safe in the backpack in sleep mode?

    The backpack obviously gets bumped around somewhat. Is the computer better being OFF vs. Sleep with the bumping?


    Thanks
     
  10. Relativity17

    Relativity17 Notebook Evangelist

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    Negligible, unless there is something wrong with your hardware. All the computer does is keep enough power going to the RAM to preserve its contents. Everything else is off.

    There is no heat generated, apart from the non-detectable amount taken by keeping RAM active.

    The computer is for all physical purposes, turned off. There are no moving parts to worry about, like the hard drive.
     
  11. crash

    crash NBR Assassin

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    To the OP: most likely your shadow copies and prefetch/superfetch caches were cleared with the update(s). Give your computer about a week to rebuild everything. As Gary mentioned, you can use his nifty batch file to defrag the boot files.

    You could say that.. :D
     
  12. superduty

    superduty Notebook Consultant

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    I followed the link in Gary's post, but that took me to the middle of a 197 page post....can someone direct me to a more specific location?

    Thanks
     
  13. McGrady

    McGrady Notebook Virtuoso

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  14. superduty

    superduty Notebook Consultant

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    Relativity17, at what point do you recommend shutting down vs. sleep? i.e., if i am not going to be using my computer for 10 hours....12 hours.....24 hours????
     
  15. McGrady

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    Personally i leave my hope pc on 24/7 since I use it a lot. Waste more energy if you constantly turn it on/off. For 10-24 hours you could sleep it. My laptop however boots around 30 seconds so i tend to shut it down. Hardly ever use sleep or hibernate.
     
  16. superduty

    superduty Notebook Consultant

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    yeah after the tweaks I did and running ccleaner, my boot takes about 45 seconds.....which is pretty darn good for me. I will try sleep mode though for times when i a plan to start up again in a few hours.
     
  17. ScuderiaConchiglia

    ScuderiaConchiglia NBR Vaio Team Curmudgeon

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    That's not totally true. Depending on certain settings buried deep in device manager, some other devices might remain in a low power state. Things like network cards for example, might (with emphasis on the word MIGHT) continue to consume some small amount of power..

    There are five different power level states, Sleep is the S3 state, Hibernate is the S4 state and power off is the S5 state. And if you dig into the device manager you will find that certain devices have in their "Power Data" settings on the "Details" tab, a D2 state in sleep, a D2 state while in hibernation and a D3 state when powered off. (D2 is low power, D3 is totally off)

    Here is an article with details about S3, S4 and S5 States: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms798270.aspx

    And one with info about the S3, S4 and S5 states along with the D2 and D3 differences :power "S" states and "D" states Power "S" states and "D" states(See pages 5 and 6)

    Gary
     
  18. ScuderiaConchiglia

    ScuderiaConchiglia NBR Vaio Team Curmudgeon

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    That link is to the SPECIFIC location. It is in the middle of a 197 page post. But my link takes you right to my message (#789) in that thread that details how to defrag the boot files on your machine. Follow the instructions CAREFULLY! Specifically about NOT closing the command prompt. Be patient and let the tasks finish.

    Gary
     
  19. DetlevCM

    DetlevCM Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Depends on your laptop...

    My SZ uses about 4% per hour on standbye...
     
  20. superduty

    superduty Notebook Consultant

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    With regards to Gary's nifty batch file to defrag the boot files, is this something that can be used in conjunction with the registry cleaner part of ccleaner?

    Or does ccleaner and Gary's batch file do the same thing?

    Thanks
     
  21. DetlevCM

    DetlevCM Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    They do both very different things.
     
  22. ScuderiaConchiglia

    ScuderiaConchiglia NBR Vaio Team Curmudgeon

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    Did you read the message at the other end of the link? It will tell you exactly what the batch file does. It has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the registry.

    Gary
     
  23. superduty

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    Gary, just to clarify...with the attachment you created, do I still have to open notepad and paste in:

    Rundll32.exe advapi32.dll,ProcessIdleTasks
    defrag -b %SystemDrive%

    and then rename the file? etc? or does the defragebootfiles.zip do it all.

    Thanks for the guidance.
     
  24. crash

    crash NBR Assassin

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    Download the zip attachment and open it, extract the "DefragBootFiles.bat" file, run and wait :)
     
  25. Brawn

    Brawn The Awesome

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    are you using standby.. or sleep? sleep is a feature of vista that vastly improved on standby
     
  26. DetlevCM

    DetlevCM Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    It may be sleep... not sure...
    I thought sleep and standby are the same...

    Its definitely not hibernation.

    It on "in a flash" if you know what I mean :)
     
  27. ScuderiaConchiglia

    ScuderiaConchiglia NBR Vaio Team Curmudgeon

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    Huh? What is the difference between Standby and Sleep? From what I have read, the only difference is the word being used. The two are the same thing.

    Gary
     
  28. Brawn

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    hmm, never mind i think i was confused, i thought that vista's sleep function was more energy efficient than xp's standby function

    i guess the only difference (from what i've read) is that the sleep function on vista can wake the laptop and shut it down when battery is too low