Vista SP2 to land today!

No I don't, that would explain it.

 

How are you measuring the higher usage? What is taking more memory? One thing to consider, this is a Beta version and most likely still contains a fair amount of testing instrumentation and debugging code (especially since we are seeing the word SYMBOLS in the file description). If so, the final version will be leaner.

Gary

 

Overall system performance. Advanced Vista Optimiser FULL and task manager both confirm this. At start-up I have over 100 megs more used. I am inclined to agree with you and I reckon this is also demanded for the snappiness of the system.

I measured and Adobe CS4 Master opens a lot faster than on SP1.


L.E: I opened my usual work apps to measure the difference and I am using 250 megs more than I should. Is this a good compromise for the speed I have when opening apps? I don't know yet...

 

"Advanced Vista Optimiser FULL", what is that? Do you see any specifics of where the extra memory is being consumed?

Gary

 

Check previous post. No, I do not have any specifics. It goes someplace and I don't know where.

 

Faster loading at the cost of RAM that you're not using.



I'm down for that

 

Hell yeah, finally someone else who understands that RAM is useless unless you're using it. That's why I don't care that Vista is a resource hog, it's very fast when configured properly and has much better memory management than XP. I'd rep you but I'm out for the day.

 

Guys,

I just downloaded "Windows Vista Service Pack 2 Beta and Windows Server 2008 Service Pack 2 Beta Symbols (x86) - DVD (All Languages)" from my MSDN website in the download section and i can't get it to work :S

The .ISO seems corrupt cause i can't mount it and if i burn it can't read it... !!! I downloaded it like 2-3 times and stil the same ! Some other guys have the same issue on technet forums !

What have you done or installed ? x86 one or a complete release with the SP2 already installed ?

Cheers !

 

I'm with you guys!

My XP is fast, but I wonder what it'd be like with better memory management?

It's not so much that Vista is a resource hog(though that's the stigma), it's just it uses the resources more efficiently. People just seem to have a hard time understanding that.

 

Well yeah, I understand that it's not a resource hog... it's resource intensive. And it's using resources to make the system to run more effectively.

 

The only reason Vista has such a bad name is because of all those Mac and PC propaganda ads. The Mojave Experiment has proven that people dismissed Vista without even trying it and when they did try it, they loved it.

I can't wait to get this service pack update when its completed. Coupled with turbo memory, everything is going to run fast as ever and will make my Macbook Pro friends a bit green of envy.

 

I don't need no Mojave Experiment to know that Vista is like Intel's Prescott. All pumped up and no joy. See the thread I opened how Vista crashes on its own after a fresh install. No RAM issues, no HDD issues, no issues with my laptop. Why does Vista do that? Because it can. I had tons of issues when it first came out. I think I was amongst the first ones to use Vista Utlimate. What happened?

1. HP All in One crashed. Would scan but not fax and the eternal "...closed to prevent your computer bla bla bla.
2. Creative would not install. Nothing I had on XP worked on Vista. I spent 1 week fixing it. No joy.
3. It would drop out of my 5 pc network at home. My NETGEAR was giving autodhcp so every time I was turning on a computer a different address was assigned. What did Vista ultimate do? Let me tell you. When trying to access my Prescott pc by using \\PRESCOTT\Phoenix (E) nothing found. BUT when I was doing 192.168.1.15\Phoenix (E) IT WAS WORKING. How was this helping me to map the pcs if I had auto dhcp? Why would I reserve ips just because an os was incompatible with XP networking? Yes I installed the Vista networking patch on Xp and it still failed to work.
4. Did I tell you that my wireless print server was not working with Vista? All my other machines and phone were using the print server but Vista Ultimate the creme de la creme was not.
5. Vista SP1 came out and everyone was ecstatic. All the Vista fanboys were drooling. I reverted by to XP Sp2 because i had more problems than good memories.
6. I bought the U6Sg and it came with Vista Business 32. Since then, 3 out of 10 boots yield a "cannot load your desktop profile". This happened also after I finished installing a fresh Business and the drivers. The Asus CD asked for reboot, I confirmed and my desktop was not there. It loaded some rank desktop.
7. Now SP2 came out and I have on my U6. Why do I use Vista? My laptop is optimised to use this. Why did I install SP2? I am a part of their beta testing community and I also had the chance to test longhorn. Speaking on which, I checked my event manager and many updates in Vista SP2 have the longhorn code name.




Still working stable, no issues on Sp2. Apart from lower ram at startup I have nothing to criticise. If there are any tests you'd like me to run, let me know.

 

How do i get this download ? Has anyone downloaded it yet and noticed any obvious improvements ?

 

What do you mean by that?

 

What do you mean what do you mean??

noticed
1: to give notice of
2 a: to comment upon b: review

any
1: one or some indiscriminately of whatever kind

obvious
2: easily discovered, seen, or understood

improvements
2 a: the state of being improved ; especially : enhanced value or excellence

He wants to be given notice via review, or someone to comment on one or some easily discovered or seen enhanced values to this SP2 beta.

( I don't know I thought they way he asked was far simpler)

 

Had you and him glanced through the topic and seen the improvements list and some of the observations posted, you would have understood. Rather than behaving like an adult you patronised and basically told me that I am stupid. F you too mate.

There you go, for people like you who don't bother to read other posts and nitpick.

Apart from this, major improvements I noticed the following:

1. Sp2 can wash your dishes.
2. It can cook
3. Clean your car.


How thick do you have to be to ask about major improvements when this thread is full of feedback about SP2? That is the list from Microsoft...we've mentioned speed, ram usage, and stability. Is this info not qualified as a major improvement?

Check the dictionary again, Webster.

 

Name me a decent desktop OS that has no problem at all with its first release.

How Vista crashes on its own after a fresh install? It could be a driver problem.

I've had Vista SP1 for a while now, not a single crash yet.

Just because Vista is not happy with your machine, it doesn't necessarily mean it's Vista's problem.

 

Or you could have just been an "adult" and answered the poor mans question, or not responded to me by telling me to F off, or gotten so defensive, or petty, or retorted to name calling, or....well you get the idea... so what if the details have been posted takes two seconds to say that, or to repeat them or provide a link right

Pot calls kettle black

besides my post was intended to be and is (in my opinion) funny and aimed at defending the invisible mans harmless question, never did I name call I was just wondering what you meant by saying what do you mean because his question was quite simple I thought hehe.

Your post just sounds angry and spiteful. To each his own

Have a pleasant day!

 

So...shall I thank Asus for not being able to provide proper drivers or shall I thank Microsoft for creating a rigid OS and not flexible like XP?


Some news on SP2, it did not fix the cannot load desktop issue I had in SP1. I just had it a few minutes ago. I had to reboot like on SP1 a few times before my normal desktop loaded...Oh well...it was wishful thinking that SP2 will fix this .

 

can someone post a link to vista sp 2. cant find the thing. thanks

 

The fact that you're trying to get your Macbook friends to envy you, already tells us that you're jealous of them. And you need a couple of upgrades and OS updates to make you feel better.

Besides, the Mojave experiment is flawed. And it's a little to late don't you think? Forget Vista and get Win7.

You can't say Vista is good because the Mojave experiment proved it. That's like test driving a Ford for 10 minutes and saying, you know what, this car is actually good. I don't know why so many people hate Fords.

Besides there's a lot of OS X bashers out there who never even tried OS X and make all sorts of claims.

I also think you're giving Apple way to much credit. MS is doing a good job and basing Vista. Just look at what Win7 is. It's basically an improvement of what Vista sucked, failed at.

* Uses less resources
* Boots faster
* Will be compatible with future and CURRENT software/hardware right out of the box

Pretty sure theres more.

 

I look forward to hearing more about SP2... the good and the bad please.

As it stands Vista SP1 is turning out to be quite viable, after numerous installs of more OSs than I care to count and 15+ years of IT experience, I can honestly say I think Vista has gotten a bum rap at this point. (note I am not ripping on any other OS or saying Vista is godly, just pointing out that Vista does NOT currently deserve the rep its gotten)

Vista DID have troubles at release... but honestly, so did XP, so did 98, and so did 95.

It all comes down to at LEAST two variables:
1) The hardware... some hardware configs do NOT like certain OS and drivers... this includes the network hardware. Some hardware will just plain not work with some OS's.
2) The user... some users just do NOT work with some software. Otherwise extremely intelligent people sometimes cannot figure out what a complete newbie doesn't have any trouble with on certain OS's. This is about how people are "wired" for thought processes. Some users are just better off with a certain OS or better off not using a specific OS.

 

Keep in mind that you have installed beta version of SP2.
Perhaps the full (non-beta) edition will fix your problem.


On a side note, I entirely agree on the statement that Vista is far less flexible than XP.
It has very poor support for older software which is a big minus in my perception as I have old programs that have big issues running on Vista.

 

SP1 still hasn't fix my 5.1 surround sound issues. I have to use XP on my desktop to get the full effect in movies and games.

Ubuntu and Win7 beta both work fine with the 5.1 surround. Vista however. fails.

 

Although SP1 made a big difference in Vista, most of the issues with Vista and the issues you were having were driver issues. At release drivers were horrible and I had Vista running great before SP1 with good drivers. All in all there has been great progress all around.

 

Using a Microsoft ad campaign as a rebuttal to an Apple ad campaign doesn't strike me as the smartest move.

You didn't think it was startlingly obvious that a Microsoft made ad containing cherry picked scenarios and users would end up saying Vista was awesome?

 

The former, because the latter is just not true. When XP appeared on the market, the issue with drivers was exactly the same. People moaned about the lack of usable drivers then as well. It comes down to lazy hardware manufacturers interested in only providing new drivers for current hardware and dragging their heals on supporting legacy hardware.

A quick search for "cannot load profile" turns up a mix of entries about Vista and XP both. Most seem to revolve around a registry issue. I wonder if you have a driver that is preventing the registry from being properly closed at shut down. Do you get any sort of error code or event ID in the system log?

Gary

 

That is totally ridiculous. Was Microsoft bashing Win 1.0 when it created Win2.0, then again with Win3.1, then Windows for Workgroups, then Windows NT, then Windows 95, then Windows 98, then Windows 2000, then Windows XP? Every iteration of Windows has been done to improve on what the previous one "sucked, failed at".

Saying that Windows 7 is an explicit denouncement of Vista makes no sense at all.

Gary

 

You thought it was funny? Don't quit your day job and go out on the stand-up comedy tour. It appeared very snarky, without a single word or emoticon to indicate humor. Be more obvious next time. People can't see your facial expressions or hear the tone of your voice. Trying to convey humor without being very explicit about it is very difficult in a text only medium.

Plus I agree with Wishmaker, the person asking about "obvious improvements", obviously didn't bother to read the thread. That is a common phenomena, some folks just jump into a thread and ask a question without being bothered with actually reading to see if it was already answered.

Gary

 

Ahhh... a voice of reason! Can I get an AMEN, brothers and sisters! As another IT person, with 40 years under my belt, I can say your observations are spot on!

Gary

 

so do we have a link to vista sp2 or what?

 

Snarky! You thought I was short tempered and not Wishmaker! Comon, the hypocracy!!!!!!

I defined the words.......... I defined any! for gods sake everyone knows what any means, I figured that alone would show my sarcastic humor. Good god men, relax! No wonder theres a high blood pressure epidemic.

You all are so narcissistic and have your heads so far up your own you know whats you can't see humor in writing anymore! Nor can you get over what, yes, may be a silly question and just answer it!

Get off your high horses and if you know the answer to questions who cares if you answered it 3 pages before, if you must copy + paste so be it!

Furthermore, it isn't a phenomena if its common, and if its common why the "snarky" reply to begin with! Just help em out, point your finger in the right direction I say

Retrospectively, I should have just said "Ignore Wishmakers your question is totally understandable, heres a link to some of the updates and improvements" Oh well next time.

Have a pleasant evening!

 

Don't you have it in Vista Update? Weird...it should have been made available.

 

nope, nothing

 

I don't see it either - and I'm sad because I had the day off and wanted to test it a bunch. Oh well - guess I wait a week and a half till finals are over.

 

Me either. Got a defender definition update is all. Been searching for the X64 SP2 Beta public release but no joy yet.

Hey, how in the heck can I get update to stop displaying all the optional language updates I don't need?

 

The MS Technet website still says

"Non Subscribers -

Check back soon for download links to:

Windows Update: Install Service Pack 2 via Windows Update
Five Language SP2 Standalone ISO
Five Language SP2 Standalone x86 | x64
Five Language SP2 Standalone IA64"

Wasnt the download supposed to be available on Dec 4??? Hello Technet???...Did you guys forget to post SP2 Beta for the masses?
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/dd262148.aspx

 

Yep it is not available anywhere. I have been looking all over. All links lead to dead ends, nothing comes up in windows update. Yet all the news services are running stories on how Microsoft has released it now to everyone, very strange.

 

Voila. My other Vista...

 

Hmm. Well, it still does not show up for me.

 

Silence young one. For you do not speak the word of the Lord.

And right now my Mac friends are unhappy with their current purchases. The new Macbook Pros that have gotten terrible user reviews. I feel bad for them. Spending all that money on crap, its sad.

 

They broke the first rules of Apple, let the early adopters beta test Rev A for Apple and buy the next revision for better usability.

 

I believe it is now available for download:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/dd262148.aspx

 

Nice, it is up. I am glad they have the .exe, I didn't see that on the Technet Plus site.

 

I really wanna do it but.......I'm scared lol

 

All I see are printer updates. I'll just wait this one out, it's not like it was as critical as SP1 or anything

 

I have it installed now - feels faster - don't know if I am just tired so my brain is slow - but things do feel fast right now.

 

I'm curious how the versions of the SP2 beta update. I mean, since we're using a beta then we'd be getting constant updates right? Would it just be automatic updates via Windows Update?

 

You have to uninstall the beta to upgrade - so I think it might be up to you to keep on top of things. Thats just my guess, though.

 

Ugh that's terrible. I'll just wait a while till I get SP2.