Vista Shortcomings

Why doesn't Vista have the Shut Down/Stand By/Hibernate/Turn Off/Restart/Log Off/Switch User OPTIONS TAB in Vista Task Manager like XP Task Manager does? Task Manager is often used as a trouble shooting tool and the restart function is all that is needed 50% of the time. This looks like a step backwards , not forward to me.

 

well, it does have a run command under file so you can use the shutdown command to shutdown /r (restart) shutdown /h (hibernate) etc.

check out this site for full commands:
http://itsvista.com/2007/03/shutdown/

yeah, its a little more tech-oriented, but it works just the same right? Or just use flag-r to get the run command also.

 

LOL... I never noticed, but... in Vista you can press ctrl-alt-delete to see a screen with all of these options (not in task manager, I know).

 

Actually after you hit ctl-alt-del to bring up task manager you have a power on/off tab on the lower right screen. Next to this tab is an arrow tab, that if you scroll over and click this; it opens a window which has restart, hibernate, shutdown... options.

 

I am talking about the elegance of simplicity to be able to access this funtion from one of the Task Manager Tabs itself. (less keystrokes, less brainstrokes)

 

You either press Ctrl+Alt+Del and shutdown or you type the command: "shutdown.exe -s -f -t 00". And don't you think its more elegant to hit the power button (implying you have set it to shut down) or even better, hold it down for 5 seconds

 

that and many similar VISTA "FEATURES" are the exact reason why so many people want to keep running XP (myself included).... hell i'd run win98 if it had DUAL CPU SUPPORT and i had all the drivers,,, i'd like to see win98 @ 1.67Ghz...

 

What is easier, holding down a button for 5 seconds , or merely clicking ONCE in a menu screen that you have open??????

 

lol... I think the computer might catch fire.

 

It's not that hard to set up "What the power button does." It's in control panel.
Tap it once, and it shuts down.

Or if you are on the desktop, alt+f4, you get ALL the options; shut down, restart, log off, etc.

 

Thanking the powers from above, Lenovo still offers the XP downgrade option.

 

Once again, I am not talking about what you can or can not program ,in , or, on, from , from to, where or where to, I am talking about the greater number of important computer functions that you can directly access in Windows XP Task Manager Vs. Vista Task Manager and why the Vista Folks were out to lunch while the XP folks had thier noses to the grindstone.

 

That's why i'm once again happily back to XP.

 

i wish my laptop manufacturer had the option or even had the drivers officially available.... they have drivers on thier site that work for my system in XP,,, but to get that great deal from MS on thier VISTA liscenses, they have sold thier soul and agreed to drop the XP option from all new laptops (that decision was made almost a year ago).. so now with the new Montevina notebooks are out, there are many systems that XP drivers are seemingly non-existant...

what was MS thinking? if they keep pushing the consumer, they will end up pushing us all to LINUX or god forbid even APPLE!

 

Click on the "Start Orb" and it is all there.

 

I am talking about the functions that you can directly access from task manager itself.

 

Perhapes I should have called this thread --" Vista Task Manager Vs. XP Task Manager" no extra clicking or programming allowed.

 

Well no need for Vista task manager to have those things since they are implemented in so many more places than before.

 

I belive those functions to be an integral part of Task Manager. Just because they exist in other places does not supercede thier importance in Task Manager. Besides, the tabs that control those functions in Task Manager do not take up more room or deter from Task Manager abilities, but rather enhance Task Manager capabilities.

 

I can see your point, but never have I needed to nor wanted to access those functions via Task Manager. I agree, it doesn't hurt to be there, and it should be there, but oh well.

 

Have you tried using the SysInternals tools, such as Process Explorer? There is a whole suite of these tools.

 

I forgive you for you quote Frank Zappa.

 

And my paradigms have been fully shifted, too.

 

They probably removed these functions from Vista's TM because nobody shuts down their computer that way. Some people on this thread never even noticed the change. A faster way is to click on the desktop and press ALT+F4 to open a dialog box that asks you what to do,

 

Vista Way
Click on desktop--move 1, press ALT+F4 to open dialog box-- 2 keystrokes -- move 2,make selection--3rd move./ XP way-- You have task manager open for you are looking at a problem and decide to restart--2 clicks and you have initiated restart without opening new menus,or making unnecesarry moves since Task Manager is already open. Any way you slice it , its more efficient.

 

Efficiency was probably not the point behind MS's design decision. The reason was that nobody used that method of rebooting a Windows machine.

 

Pressing power button on laptop for restart. 1 press. win.

 

And by what other worldly supernatural powers do you have , that you can count how many people did or did not shut down thier computers using Windows XP Task Manager ?????????????????????????????????????? Shutting down my computer right now --thats right(you didn't get it) using Windows XP Task Manager.

 

Keyword, " probably"

Also, adding a thousand question marks doesn't make your question any more questioning.

 

Wow....I can't believe there's 3 pages on having a restart option from task manager....yikes

 

It would make Andy Rooney proud

 

:laugh: :laugh:

 

I don't understand the whole reason for the restart.

Vista's Log off option does almost as much as restart and is faster.

When you hit Ctrl+alt+del, you get a restart option and more.

But I guess you can't make everyone happy. You could use Vista, which is more secure, stable and productive, or use XP which is has more security holes, needs more restarts (which is why the restart function is so handy), needs more reformats, etc etc.

 

I think one should ask the OP why he/she is having an issue with the options not being there. Is it because you had a situation that called for having these options in the task manager or are you looking for the ways that Windows XP is superior to Vista?

If it is the latter I will say this: In every operating system, there will be some things that you wish that the creators had done differently and if you do not like it, do not use it. It is that simple. If you are going to use it, get used to its quirks, fix what you can and accept what you can't but do not spend your time picking it apart because that will get in the way of you actually being productive

 

That's the impression I got as well.

Most of my systems run XP and while I know the feature is there i've only used it once in 7 years because my system locked and all I could bring up was task manager. So it allowed me to reboot the system.

I think Vista's approach is the far better way to do it as it's off the Vista start orb as was stated previously.

 

Who's this "we"?

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fulltilt
Once again, I am not talking about what you can or can not program ,in , or, on, from , from to, where or where to, I am talking about the greater number of important computer functions that you can directly access in Windows XP Task Manager Vs. Vista Task Manager and why the Vista Folks were out to lunch while the XP folks had thier noses to the grindstone.
I think Vista's approach is the far better way to do it as it's off the Vista start orb as was stated previously-Quote by Rodknee.
That's why i'm once again happily back to XP. Quote:By Rodknee
Rodknee seems to be torn between 2 points of view.

 

When I said we , I was referring to a contradition in points of view by Rodknee.

 

I dont want to get into a contest as to who said what or Vista forum Members Vs XP forum Members, the point that I am making is that XP Task manager had the shut down feature built into it, and Vista task manager is the same exact format as the Xp task manager , but the shut down function was removed, therby not enhancing a newer system and making it better, but detracting from and making task manager not as flexible as it was. If you put both Task Managers side by side you will see that the shutdown function in no may detracts from the visual layout of Task manager.Simply put--there was no reason to remove the restart function from Task Manager.

 

If your system locked and all you could do was bring up task manager to initiate the restart, then regardless of whether it happens once every 7 years or it happens once a day, having the restart was an option that made your computing expierience less stressful as opposed to more stressful. IF it happened to you it could have happened to alot of other people also,including myself.

 

If you read my previous post i've stated I use both OS'. I prefer XP but 99.9% of the population doesn't really care whether you can reboot, shutdown or standby from TM.

IMO I think Vista handles those functions very well from the Start Orb and unless you have carpal tunnel syndrome it's no big deal.

 

You are exactly right , its not that big a deal, but what was the point in removing it? P.S.( There are people that do have carpel tunnel syndrome )

 

I can access TM but not ctrl+alt+del?
Stop bringing up situations that would hardly ever occur. All your arguments are IF you could only access TM. And like I said before, I can just press the POWER button to restart it or shut it down. Not that hard to configure from Control Panel.

 

IMO, i think the restart option in TM was very usefull. don't take this the wrong way b/c i havnt used vista yet but im getting it in the next few days. i hav XP now and for some reason wen i shut my computer down using the START>TURN OFF COMPUTER option, it freezes on the blue shutting down screen. but wen i use the task manager, it shuts down. i no it sounds stupid but i hav absolutely no idea why it happens. i don't wry abt it either as its gonna fix wen i get vista. also wen my computer freezes, the start menu freezes too and i can easily access CTRL ALT DEL. For about 2 months now ive been using CTRL+SHIFT+ESC to open TM and shut my computer down lol and ive gotten so used to it i'll miss the option in vista.

ps. the ALT F4 on the desktop works on XP too.

 

Do you have any statistical evidence to support that the scenario I suggest hardly ever occurs?? I can tell you that it has happened to me many times on five different laptops and having that function in Task Manager has been very helpful.

 

Now theres a man whos piont of view has not been polluted.

 

Do you have any statistical data on situations where the only thing I can access is TM?
XP is different than Vista, if you haven't noticed. Use Vista and try to get to a point where the only thing you can access is TM. Lol. It's not going to happen.

 

ive used my cousins vista machine for 2 years now and never had a system hang where i had to access task manager to shut it down or restart etc.
its alot diff than xp. on xp it would hang cuz i was in a fullscreen game so i had to ctrl alt delete

 

Ok how about this.

To access Task Manager on XP, MOST people use CTRL ALT DEL. Average person doesn't know ctrl shift esc. In Vista, do the same thing, CTRL ALT DEL and there you have the shut down, restart, log off, etc.

What is the difference? NOTHING.

 

Basic Computing 101 : If your computer locks up and the only program that you can call up is Task Manager( as is often the case, but not always) initiating a restart will often fix the problem ( as is often the case, but not always). If you have an XP computer you can initiate restart directly from Task Manager. If you have a Vista computer you will not be able to initiate restart from Task Manager because for some reason the powers that be felt this function in Task Manager no longer served a usefull purpose( I guess we all know that Vista Computers NEVER lock up). Vista users will probably have to do a forced shutdown by holding down the power button until the unit turns off.(What if the power button is malfunctioning also?)Now you might have previously installed sotware to circumvent this scenario,you might have programmed a failsafe keystroke to bail you out of this situation, you might be aware of a Vista procedure to deal with this situation that I am not , and you might have purchased Rice Crispies at 30 cents an ounce from Sams Club instead of 50 cents an ounce at Winn Dixie, but any way you slice it, its good to have that restart function built into Task Manager.