Vista got me and it's back in the box until SP1.

Don't forget things like 30-150ms driver state polling eating up CPU time to prevent "piracy" (which has nothing to do with boats), INTERNAL ENCRYPTION to also prevent "piracy". Seriously, that's just an abuse of resources... I don't care if the computer is fast enough to do it, it shouldn't be doing completely technically unnecessary tasks when it's MY computer. Did you ever wonder why Linux is faster on the same hardware? 2.56 million people being erroneously flagged as pirates? (half of one percent of 512 million people is still a heck of a lot). Sorry, it's not worth it. I'm not gonna buy a product from a company that has "consumers" rather than customers... I'm a person. I deserve respect, and I get none of it from Microsoft.

 

Indeed. my point is, for others, if they don't have the product... either any OS, don't complain. I for myself have tried Linux, Mac, etc. and I like them. Each of which has its own shortcomings as Windows did. but if someone or a group of body does not want to be bound by over-exagerated rules and such like Vista's, god gave us the "will", and " the power to choose".

 

So you believe Microsoft is disrespecting you personally? How so? Companies can't make everyone happy. They usually make their plans for maximum profitability. They did it with XP they'll do it with Vista. An operating system is only as good as it's software/hardware support. Let Vista stand on it's own two feet, it's like a baby, feed with the right software, right hardware and eventually it'll mature. Use the wrong software/hardware and it'll burp and sometimes puke. And if you really feed it the wrong software *NHC for XP* then you'll kill it. A new OS is supposedly coming out from MS in 2009. I wonder what the minimal requirements will be...quad core CPUs with 4gb+ memories? We've just been obseleted! And yet lots of people will still be happily using Windows 98. Whatever works for ya! I myself like Vista, still waiting for Apple to do right with iTunes and Quicktime.

 

Wait... you think you should pay for a product that doesn't make you happy? I've got a bridge in Brooklyn that you might be interested in...

 

Why do people argue over what OS they use? Grow the f**k up. Use what works for you and move along.

For me personally Vista works superbly with NO issues. I've used Ubuntu for a long time as well as OSX. I prefer Vista and so I use it. I'm not saying it's better or the other ones suck...Vista works for me.

Geez.

 

Why do people argue over what cars they use? I mean, so what if BrandX makes theirs while polluting all of the Amazon basin with industrial runoff, while BrandY is a responsible corporate citizen that engages in recycling and goodwill projects. BrandX's product works just as well as BrandY's.

There's such a thing as principle Some of us have lower tolerances for abused principles than others, and will laugh and say "I told you so" when your not caring bites you.

 

yes. i'm happy with microsoft's treatment on me. I'm bound by their rules... because I'm EARNING a lot MORE THAN what I am paying for with Microsoft. I'm just paying back the profits microsoft had brought me and the the future bringings.

 

Erm... Vista's failures are well documented too, you just have to search the Internet a little....

But I didn't ask for its features. I asked what was *good* about Vista. That's not quite the same thing.

No, I asked you what is *practically* better about it, in your opinion. Interesting how most Vista fans go into a panic when asked that kind of questions...

Is this good for you as a user? Does it make the OS more pleasant to use? Can you, as a user really *relate* to it, or is it just a fancy buzzword that supposedly makes it all "better"? (Like polygon count in a game. Doesn't mean anything, but the higher it is, the "better". But it's still an abstract number that has nothing to do with what the game looks like)
(Also, I think it's been shown plenty of times that Vista is barely more secure than XP on the whole. And that UAC in particular has plenty of shortcomings)
Still, yes, Vista is, all other things equal, more secure. I'd just argue it's not much of a reason to run Vista, since it's not something you as a user really notice, and both OS'es have to run with antivirus and firewall *anyway*, and by then, both are fairly secure.

What, the way they use pseudo-hacked symlinks to redirect from every folder to every other folder? I got lost trying to figure that one out.
And again, does this really *matter* to the user? Does it matter whether my program files are stored in this or that folder? Whether application data lies in this folder or that? Most users never need to access these folders manually anyway. And when saving a file, it always suggests My Documents, so if you use that folder, it's fairly easy to find regardless of where it's located.

Do you use that? Otherwise it's not exactly something that makes Vista better for you, is it?

Same with the rest of what you list. How much of it do you actually use?

I do. Treating me as a pirate when I pay them for a product. (Ok, I didn't technically pay, since we get free licenses from my university, but that's beside the point.)
That sounds like disrespect to me...

 

I don't plan on upgrading to Vista until around service pack 1. I've found that most Microsoft operating systems aren't really ready for general use until that point, when most of the driver incompatibility/immaturity problems and bugs are worked out.

I've used Vista a bit, and generally, its a good looking OS, but like I said, I really don't think its ready for general use until at least service pack 1, just like every Microsoft OS that came before. Even then, I might not switch over for awhile. I didn't even switch over to XP from Win2k until about a year ago, so it might be quite awhile before I get around to switching.

I certainly don't think that Microsoft is "out to get me" though, like some here. Heh. Talk about paranoia. Watch out for those little black helicopters. Better wear those tinfoil hats, you never know when Microsoft might be watching!

Still, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and if they think that Vista is out to get them, thats fine. XP is a great OS, and since Microsoft is going to be supporting it until 2008 there's certainly no rush to upgrade to Vista as long as you don't need DirectX 10.

 

It's not paranoia when someone is really out to get you. And Vista is watching you multiple times per second.

 

@Jalf - It doesn't matter what I think is *good* about Vista because that's a subjective thing. I may not use speech recognition but a disabled person out there who really needs it may think it's a really good thing. The fact remains is that it's there, and it's an improvement.

RE: UAC -- no most people don't think it makes everyday computing experience any better, but the fact is that it does add a layer of protection to the OS and it can be turned on/off with a checkbox. Now, how is this a *bad* thing?

We can go back and forth all day, but what many people have said here makes the most sense -- no point in bashing other people for their choices. If you like an OS and it suits your needs then good for you

 

exactly my point. Some features of Windows Vista can be disabled at will. The Administrative Tools > Local Security policy brings options and the like to disable the annoying elevation pop-ups, security, etc. etc. - all there. What i do like to imply is that most people commenting on Vista without even trying it for sometimes. Others are reliant on web postings for which are totally garbage and over exaggerated overtime. But I do admit, Vista has shortcomings, and I'm able to cope at that. All OS has shortcomings.

 

I am also wondering when sp1 is going to be released. I am looking to buy a laptop soon, and have decided to stick with Windows versus Linux so I don't have to worry so much about compatibility. I use my computer for Excel macros, VBA coding, Access, games, Matlab, etc...

If I'm going to get Windows, I might as well learn how to use Vista sooner rather than later, but I'm going to wait until service pack 1 is released, based on what I've been reading. I hope I don't have to wait too long, because I could really use a new laptop right now.

 

Last I heard was that they were targeting a summer 2007 release.

I never said it was a bad thing: I questioned whether it was a reason to use Vista. But I'd say a security system that is so simple to disable (and which more importantly is so primitive many users are *forced* to disable it) is little more than false security. I've seen quite a few posts by people saying that now that they use Vista, they no longer need to use antivirus or firewalls, because Vista is secure.
Btw, to elaborate on the above, I had to disable UAC *entirely* in order to be able to start Hamachi automatically at boot, because it required admin privileges. True, it shouldn't do that (And I think new versions of it no longer needs that), but the point is that if you depend on a program that happens to need admin privileges, and you want it to start automatically, you have no choice but to disable UAC entirely. I'd have been happy with a little whitelist option where I could specify "allow this particular program to run at startup even though it requires admin", but no such things exists. The only solution is to either start the program manually (not acceptable in my case), or disable *all* of UAC *completely*.
A security layer that you can't avoid disabling doesn't impress me.

It doens't matter what *you* think is good about Vista? Why on Earth not? Would I have asked if it didn't matter? I think it's fairly relevant, when judging a piece of software, whether people subjectively find it *good*.
True, it has some features that XP doesn't, but that's not necessarily a good thing. New versions of Nero also have tons of new "features", to the point that it's completely unusable these days.

 

I re-installed XP Pro on my laptop a little more than a year ago because I bought a new hard drive, since then I haven't had one problem XP. No blue screens, no reboots, no malware or trojans.

I'm really wanting a new computer this summer though, hardware wise my HP has just about had it.

Why would I want vista? So my programs and games can perform worse than they would on a meager copy of WinXP?

On one end, I don't want to be caught with an outdated/unsupported OS on my brand new computer, but on the other I feel let down from a performance standpoint. This is a ridiculous situation...I wish all games ran on Linux.

 

i 2nd this one, and anty it up with "totally stretched out" marketing gimmick

sad but true, in almost all cases!

cheers ...

 

You can't use Run As... on the service get it past that, Jalf? You should be able to supply a user name and a password on any service starting up to get it to log in with correct credentials. If it's not running as a service and it's a remote access application... I'd say find a better program. I log in as my personal user for the Apache Tomcat service on my Windows machine, since it runs on port 8080 (ports below 1024 require admin-level access to open for listening), and that gives it that many fewer privileges.

And FYI, the word is "ante", qhn, as in the amount of a bet

 

I'm pretty sure you can grant access for these programs at startup. I've done it with Everest Ultimate, which also needs admin access.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/930367

 

I had ultimate and it's now back on the shelf until SP1 comes out too. However, I am running Vitsta premium on my notebook and it seems to run ok.

 

Im runing penium(R) 4mobile CPU 1.60ghz whit 1023 Mb & 1G

On A ThinkPad T3o and i have Vista ultimate and it Run Sweet

 

Like I said whatever OS makes happy with stick with it. I don't know if the majority of you are old enough to remember that lots of OS were vying for the piece of the pie back in the late 70's/early 80's. Tandy, Unix, IBM, Microsoft, Apple, etc. competed with each other to see which one will win the OS war. I myself liked Tandy GUI but alas Microsoft won (wished I bought stocks then). At the end people accused Microsoft of manipulating the industry but hey, people choose their OS! Microsoft is just improving their product. If you can find a better OS so be it. Don't say that you are being manipulated and used by MS. You still have the freedom to use whatever product you choose but good luck finding softwares that will support you. Vista isn't perfected yet 'cause it just came out... like fine wine it'll be better with time. Yes it's buggy on some 'puters but runs great on others. So the point is?

 

its new its going to be a *****. but it will never be fixed.MS will just chuck out another os thats not ready and will be out of date by the time it gets sorted.every OS that has come along has suffered this and we put up with it.
but if you have the time,read the End user agreement of XPpro & vista.shocking vista is watching you

 

Whoever questions what is bad about Vista should really read that article.
Skip down to the final thoughts if it is too long to read. Downright Orwellian.

(Makes me think about Walmart, but let's not get into that.)

Thanks for that link, Pita.

 

Funny how much legal trouble they're getting into, if all they're doing is "improving their product"...

Then I *don't* have the freedom. There's only one product that supports the software I need. That's hardly freedom of choice, is it?
When you buy a new car of a different brand, do you need to drive on special roads? Do different railway companies have to lay down their own tracks?
Imagine if that was the case. Because that is how the OS market works at the moment. Many people *don't* have a choice in OS because all the infrastructure they need is locked into *one* OS only.

That perhaps it shouldn't be used *until* it has had time to age. Just like with fine wine, you wait before drinking it...

As far as I know, no. Vista simply disables any program that tries to run at startup, and which requires admin privileges. No exceptions, and 'run as' or similar tricks don't work either. Admin privileges are simply unavailable during startup. (And on a sensible OS, that might well work out ok. But Windows has 30 years of crappy software it needs to support, and in that case, being able to whitelist software is pretty much a must)

Really? How? (The link you posted only says you can 1: run the program manually rather than at startup, 2: Disable it at startup, or 3: remove it from startup entirely.)

 

Let's just get to the bottom line. not all users are "paranoid enough" for such security features and matters. At least for the meantime, Windows works pretty fine with the majority of users. I like Linux, Xandros, Ubuntu and others, they are sources of knowledge as Windows Vista on it's infantry now. all have their own contributions in the world we live in. We learn from them entirely. and it's good windows vista has flaws... because if it aint... IT WILL BE BORING and we will think of other ways to judge it.

 

id be more happy to try to run windows 98 than vista on my laptop then id have all kinds of resources and id still have my desktop for downloading music onto my ipod

 

hmmm... well i dunno. but trust me, sooner you'll be using Vista.

 

It is just a matter of time before Vista takes over your computer, your system, your mind and your sanity.... *evil laugh*

 

How much do you want to bet on that? The ONLY way I'll use it is if it's forced on me at work, as I can't really go hungry on principle.

 

oh, it did. so very long time ago... bye the way, isnt it that those were the dialogs most people say with XP after its debut???? * Buwahahaha - more evil laugh... *

 

hmmm... all the time... it's my master... it gives pleasure... and things i want.. and talking about principle... well... it's virtue on my part. * wehehehe * > angel laugh <

 

Heheh...it is for those who had not been "forced" or used Vista against their will of XP *temendrous evil hearty laugh*, they will soon lose their sanity, their minds, their UAC. oops. Shouldn't be a spoiler

Soon Microsoft will be churning out a new OS and say, Forget Vista, use "Vienna" (next Windows codename). Then that will bring even more chaos

Lol.

 

Wahahahaha..... agree.... you made me laugh. ****insanely evil laugh *****

 

This was a very interesting thread to read - especially Jalf's posts.