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    Vista makes "Time" top ten biggest tech failure list.

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by Rob41, May 15, 2009.

  1. jackluo923

    jackluo923 Notebook Virtuoso

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    Zune wasn't a great investment thus Time named it as a failure.

    The Time article was about how those top 10 failures fails based on its financial returns, not about its quality of the product.
     
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    OpenFace Notebook Consultant

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    That makes sense. I haven't heard any details about how much Microsoft lost with the Zune. The part about the Zune seemed to shift focus to it not stealing Apple's market share, not so much the lack of financial success. In that respect, I don't see how the Zune is any different than any other company that sells MP3 players. Obviously there is the Microsoft vs Apple rivalry going on, (and not to mention the tremendous resources that Microsoft has, as pointed out in the article) which earns it a spot on the list, but it should come as no surprise to anyone that Apple would remain right at the top.

    Oh well. Even I can't call the Zune a complete success. It is hard to ignore that it was meant to compete with the iPod and was unable to.
     
  3. jackluo923

    jackluo923 Notebook Virtuoso

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    I have a zune 30 and it's probably the most durable hdd mp3 player that you can buy. 1 scratch on the button in 3 years. If I had an ipod video, I bet there will be a gazillion scratches on the metal back.
     
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    I think it is short sighted to call the Zune a failure. Much of the technology that went into making the Zune (the Software library, Touch interface, partnerships with mass media) are being used in their other products. If the Zune was their ONLY product, then the financial return could be a problem. It has HUGE R&D value.
     
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    i think you are all forgetting how Apple Biased *coughpayedcough* these websites are, Vista sold quicker than XP did, and XP is not considered a failure
     
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    kojack Notebook Prophet

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    I dont think the zune is a failure at all....I caused me NOT to buy another crapple product and thats a success to me. I was considering between zune and creative. zune won out, I love mine...its got awsome features, and great sound quality.
     
  7. Hep!

    Hep! sees beauty in everything

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    The winning points on the Zune, in my opinion, are that it's extremely durable and cheap when compared to most other MP3 players. I see a lot of Zunes out in the wild - sure, maybe not like I see the iPod - but nothing comes even close to the iPod when you look at the market breakdown. The Zune wasn't a giant success the way the iPod was, but it's far from a failure as well.
     
  8. KimoT

    KimoT Are we not men?

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    I think it's too early to call Zune a failure. So far, MS has probably lost a fair amount of money, but this may well be turning out to be an investment in other parts of the company. The Zune itself is a good player, although I wish they would make better use of the WiFi feature. Where Zune could really make a good return for MS is as a more PDA-like device (think iPod Touch), smartphone (iPhone), or as the basis for a mobile gaming device (PSP). It has a lot of potential that I hope MS will build on.
     
  9. Shyster1

    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    [​IMG]

    grab one of these:
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    and hold on to this; you'll need it for protein replacement:
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    In the meantime, I wouldn't worry too much about resisting _Vista, even Microsoft is telling enterprise users who haven't already deployed _Vista to forget about deploying _Vista and instead start preparing to deploy Win7.
     
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    surfasb Titles Shmm-itles

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    HAHAHAHAHA

    It took me a second to figure out where you were going with these pictures.
     
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    I don't know what the deal with the Vista bashing is. After SP1 it was a rock solid and more capable OS than any other out there. I admit the Nov 2006 rush to market for the Xmas season did hurt it and give it a bad first impression.

    But on the business and numbers side, they are right in saying it was kind of a business failure since everyone (industries) stuck with XP.

    Then when IE8 came out, that was a huge step in the right direction. Being able to close only the single tab with rogue HTML is a real lifesaver, and also being able to open it right back up (or the other tabs as well). They really thought it through when making IE8. Competition with FF and Chrome really benefited users of IE8
     
  12. jackluo923

    jackluo923 Notebook Virtuoso

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    Let's make this really care to future posters.

    Times isn't bashing Vista because of its quality. It's bashin Vista because of Vista being a bad investment.

    Due to failure of marketing..etc, Vista never made a huge amount of money for MS like Windows XP did.
     
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    Personally, I've never found anything wrong with Vista.
     
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    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Maybe Time's just bashing _Vista 'cause it wasn't a good investment for Time? Perhaps they went and spent tons of $$ to get new hardware and the enterprise licenses for _Vista, and then, BAM, Microsoft comes out and says "guess what, guys (and gals), if you're thinking about deploying _Vista, forget about it, what with the success of Win7 RC, you ought to start planning the deployment of Win7" - sort of like saying "hah, hah, Time, you lose!" No?
     
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    HAHA. That's what you get for worshipping the IPhone!!!!!!

    Zing.
     
  16. Theros123

    Theros123 Web Designer & Developer

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    I think...the answer is that big box media is just all nonsense.
     
  17. Relativity17

    Relativity17 Notebook Evangelist

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    Vista was too far of a leap forward for many people. It was like going straight from Win95 to WinXP. After over half a decade of using something, you get used to it. You find shortcuts to make things faster, and workarounds to get around shortcomings. When something new comes out that makes your experience almost useless, you'll resist it.
     
  18. crash

    crash NBR Assassin

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    I'm sure it's been mentioned already, but let's not forget that YouTube is also on this list. Surely people don't think of it as a failure since it's immensely popular. However, Time listed it as a "failure" because it has thus far been unable to produce lots of revenue even though it has such a large user base.
     
  19. jackluo923

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    I believe youtube reported 200 million loss or something instead of earning any money at all.
     
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