Vista nearly killed my pc (check out how)

so it was a beautiful day for me until i needed a sleep after listening to live broadcast from astateoftrance.com, so i pressed the shutdown button of the laptop and saw the screen growing darker and closed the lid ( normally laptop is shutting down) , but with vista it is always different this time it showed a message are u sure u want to close bla bla bla program and didn't shutdown , until i woke up from the sound of the maximum level of the laptop fan to discover vista didn't shutdown the laptop /clap for vista,
N.B i always press the shutdown button and vista closes all programs but 2day vista wanted a different thing


any1 here know how could i check on the laptop components , the laptop was really really hot and i want to know if the components are still doing good

GOGO microsoft

 

...Yeah, ive had that problem before. Always check to make sure it shuts down.

Use HD Tune to check your Harddrive. See HERE.

You can do a memory Check, usually, in BIOS.

Not much else to test, but it should all be fine. Use HWMonitor and make sure that your CPU stays under 70C, GPU under 90C, and HDD under 60C.

 

Yea it sucks having to wait till Vista shuts down... Sure it was not that message and a 3rd party program was not the bad guy?

 

Vista didn't nearly kill it, you nearly killed it. next time you should stretch your brain far enough to actually fully turn it off.

 

Instead of being insulting I'll try to be helpful.

You should use HWMonitor (free) to record the temps of your hardware. Compare your results with others who have the same model as you or contact tech support with your readings.

To help with your shutdown problems you'll want to type msconfig and press enter. Here is a list of programs that start up every time you turn your computer on. Look at the list and if you know what an item is you can uncheck it. Things like Adobe for example don't need to run all the time. If you open something that needs Adobe then it will take a tiny bit longer to open. There is a lot of junk that doesn't need to be running all the time like error reporting.

Now click the services tab and do the same thing. If you know what it is and you don't need it running all the time, uncheck it.

Doing these things will not only shorten your boot up time, it will shorten your shut down time.
sometimes there is a program or service that just has a hard time shutting down and you can usually find out which one by using the msconfig.

 

Closing down services isn't worth the time.

Startup programs, however...

Also, you said it was ending an application - was it ccApp.exe by any chance?

 

lol, that could've happened in any Windows.

 

next time just use this.

windows key + R

type in shutdown -s -t -f 00

It'll shut down your comptuer immediately and kill all of your processes. So any non-responding programs will be forced to close.

You can also create a shortcut based on the above command or change the shut down button to activate that command.

Vista didn't nearly kill your laptop. Your unresponsive program is at fault. Vista is being smart and letting you choose if you want to terminate the program incase you need to save the data for that "unresponsive" program. Vista is designed to automatically "wait" for your dicision.

 

You might try configuring your power scheme. Oh, and do try using some appropriate punctuation and capitalization; it truely does make for a far more readable post.

 

Man i am used to turning off my laptop this way since i got it , i always leave programs opened and vista shuts them down, but that day i don't know why vista didn't close the programs though i was running google chrome and windows media player only . it not my fault not checking , i didn't know that vista could do this to me


people out there sorry for my english if its bothering u

 

ok i really liked your windows key + r thanks for that
ok it will be nice that vista give me about 10 min to choose, then if i didn't respond it will be nice if it killed the program , why did it wait 2 hours or so waiting for my approval to close it??

 

I AM WRONG and sorry that i trusted vista shutting down my pc hehe

 

Here's the code for giving vista 10 m inutes to choose if you respond or not.

shutdown -s -f -t 600

 

You should always close programs yourself before shutting down instead of letting Windows display the "the following programs are preventing shutdown..." message and having it close them forcefully after it's countdown stops. It's just good maintenance IMO. Me thinks that when you closed the lid on the countdown screen, it tried to go to sleep and got confused.

 

It's not confused. The count down is simply a delay timer to start the script. BTW... shutdown -a is abort the shutdown command.

 

doesn't Vista have something like this?

Just choose 'Standby' and at least all that'll get cooked is the battery.

 

Vista has this:

 

Yep, I've had that happen before.

I didn't look too close, but I think I saw some good suggestions here. It sounds like it had to do with shutting the screen and so forth, and I think you got some good info on that.

But also check out this if you've got time, it has good instructions on how to reduce your shutdown time, whether or not that would have helped in this situation.

Cheers...

 

look at this also if you get any extended heat issues

 

i use do nothing for closing the list on all power profiles

 

Then perhaps you ought to change that part of your configuration if you're going to maintain your current shut-down behaviors? Setting that to something other than "do nothing" might have saved your laptop, so in a way, it was you who almost killed your pc, not _Vista.

 

That happened to me couple of times when I tried to hibernate (I never shut down unless I really have to). The screen would go black and I would assume that it will hibernate. When I came back, its still trying to hibernate and I'm forced to shut it down via power button. One time I left it for 45 min and the battery was smoking hot. It would turn on so I thought it was a fried mobo, luckily it was a dead battery.

 

That Tinselworm guy is hilarious. All his posts are funny, to the point, and true. LOL

 

another vista basher.. boooo

 

Is this one of those nvidia chips that can get you into deep trouble if the get hotter than 70°C?
I know the 8400 and 8600 are, not sure about the 9x00 series, though.

 

There has been a missed question in this: What application didn't shutdown and why?

The way the shutdown works is for Windows (all versions of Windows) to send a message to each running application to exit. It then waits until the applications have closed before continuing. If an application is taking to long to close, then Windows puts up "not responding" dialog with the countdown timer followed by the "do you want to kill application" dialog (sorry, I can't remember exactly what they are called). It isn't uncommon on a busy machine to see the first one come up during the shutdown but for it to disappear before the countdown is finished when the application closed.

During shutdown, one of the reasons for seeing the "kill" dialog is because the application is prompting the user about something. eg. a file was changed in an editor and the user is prompted to save the changes. I would expect that Windows would eventually kill the application in this case, but I know I have seen it hang the shutdown for a long time.

Vista can help with this. The event log stores information about how long the shutdown. One of the events is for each program it considers delayed the shutdown. Similar events are stored for startup, sleep and wakeup. http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=246 has some of the details.

David

 

It shuts down when internal temps get too high.


Don't worry about it.

 

The problem with the Nvidia chips is not with how high the temp gets. It is with the heating and cooling cycles. They cause stress fractures in the substrate. High temps make the problem worse, of course. But it is not the temp itself that is the issue. If one were to run the chip at an elevated, but steady, temp it would not really cause a problem. But when the chip starts to cool back down the substrate cools at a different rate from the bonding material and then small crack begin to form.

Gary

 

My point exactly. Shutdown and or Hibernate depend on closing programs. Windows will always sleep, and while that will eventually run your battery down it does so while generating a lot less heat.

 

all i got to add is you got good taste in music, i spent my weekend listening to ASOT 400 too, was a great great event.

 

Shutdown ftl.

Sleep ftw.

That isn't so bad though. I know someone who's laptop didn't shutoff when he put it in a sleeve. It sat in the sleeve for about 2 hours still running. This was about a year ago and his Dell still works.

 

You could try disabling user account control. Life is wayy much better without it.

 

Hmm....
Dave will argue otherwise - and persuaded me to have it on (I reactivated it - at the moment it is still running)...

 

and it has NOTHING AT ALL to do with the topic.

and yes, it should be on. it'll save your sister when she has vista on her machine. you don't want to be the one who chose to make her system unsafe when she's then in trouble, one day, do you? do you, luke, do you??

 

Oh great, another "operating system expert" chiming in on something they have no understanding of.


Gary

 

DetlevCM (any anyone else who is turning UAC back on), first I am pleased to hear that you have "seen the light". ...big ol' grin...

But seriously, there is something you might want to look into and you may already know about this. But with UAC off the virtualization of the Program Files folders was off, so applications were able to store DATA (config files, game save files and the like) in the application's program files folders. With UAC back on it will no longer be able to do so (and that's a GOOD thing) and in fact may not even be able to find old ones already written. Fear not, they are not gone, just inaccessible. If you need any such data just retrieve it from the app's program files folder and relocate it in the corresponding application folder in C:\ProgramData.

Like I said, you may already know about that but I thought I'd point it out for anyone else stumbling into this thread.

Gary

 

A little strange coming from someone who, to all appearances, is a Mac fanatic.

 

Actually I didn't Gary.

Thanks for the info

PS: Rep for you

 

Well then Mr. how do I have a ProgramData folder with UAC off?

 

virtualisation doesn't go into ProgramData. Program Files\Common Files goes there.

virtualisation has to happen in the users folder due to having only there write access => it goes to c:\users\name\appdata\somewhere\virtual\program_exe\bla or so. don't know exactly where.

and then, silas, why do you have uac off!!! as one of the good guys in here, you should be a positive example

 

Errrr....you've got me confused. :s

I know it's for a user's own good, but I turned it off because I use very trusted programs and "tweaks", and I'm very, very careful when I have to so much as delete or create a shortcut. There not a single trace of any form of malware on my system. So, in short, I don't need it.

 

well, thanks to uac, i don't have to be very very careful at all. but then, that's just me, liking that an os handles the savety for me.


okay, virtualisation again:

as an ordinary user, you can not write to c:\program files\game\game.config

so vista notices this and redirects the file access to somewhere where you can write to: your user files. so it redirects to something like c:\users\davepermen\AppData\Virtualisations\game\game.config

interestingly, an old game where all had shared configs now has individual configs per user.


c:\programdata is what was c:\documents and settings\all users\application data on xp. so it was common configs and such.

had to look that up first.



btw, if you delete a shortcut, and uac pops up, then it means you're deleting a shortcut that doesn't belong to you but everyone using that computer. that means, you would f.e. take away the shortcut to itunes for the sister, the parents, the gf, etc in their profiles. that means, you may hurt their experiences of the os.

but i'm happy that uac started to force app developers to not put shortcuts onto the common desktop for all users. those are annoying like hell if you work somewhere and have such icons and are not admin and can't get rid of them shortcuts belong into startmenu, it's the users choise, what to do with their desktop.

 

Sorry, daveperman is right. Not sure what I was thinking (or if I was thinking) when I wrote that. The virtualizations are in C:\Users\name\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files...

And if you EVER had UAC you might find these folders still there. Turning of UAC does not delete them, it only hides 'em from the application.

Gary

 

I like it too, it's far more secure and stable than any other OS right now (inb4 Lunix). And I'm always careful anyways. When I first got my notebook 2 years ago, I re-installed Vista (to remove the bloatware) and left UAC on. But it did nothing that would've helped me, because my own sense of safety in this regard is very good. If I were a n00b, it would've been of some help, surely.

Who isn't careful when the above mentioned are concerned? Users who don't have much knowledge of the complications that can arise if they mess up. And I think UAC was made for these users (no offence DetlevCM).

 

UAC is one more line of defense on the off chance that some malware were to make it's way past you. It also forces IE into protected mode, which is a REALLY good thing with the proliferation of zero day exploits.

For me it is so unobtrusive, I can't think of a reason why I would want it off.

Gary

 

Well I could think of one recent UAC nuissance...
I wanted to move the ICQ installer to another HDD - and UAC appers -why??? I was moving a file!!

Ah well... but true, normal usage - in the majority of cases will not activate UAC.

By the way - never had a virus myself either.

 

Everyone thinks they are an expert. The economy goes downhill last year and all the sudden everyone I know talks like an economist.

Sometime, reading these threads is like watching TV news.

 

I have NOD32, Windows Defender, a-squared, SUPERAntispyware and COMODO Firewall all updated daily and running in the background, my OS is up to date, I use Opera and my browsing habits are as safe as they can be. I never use cracks/keygens. I don't let anyone else use my notebook. If I still get a malware through, I deserve it.

 

And you're like one of those people who stand behind the reporter and waive and smile and call their friends/family to tell them to turn on the TV because you're on it, while the reporter is telling us about which stocks to buy.

 

You are right. I'm that person. Everything I've written points to that.

The only reason UAC would show up when you move a file is if you are moving it to a folder where the"user" group does not have write access. You should check the security tab.