W11 & Me

So, I got sick of installing W10 updates and grabbed the W11 installer.

Upgrading this way took a couple of hours for some reason it was only downloading @ ~5mbps. The install itself wasn't much worse than a clean install from USB w/ 3 reboots before getting a desktop back.

Updates post install were only 2-3 items like Intel drivers for the display and something else minor.

The first thing I wanted to do was move the taksbar back to the right side of the screen...
Well, that of course took hacking the registry modifying the 03 to 02 but, icons didn't display on the taskbar after restarting it. So, went with 01 instead and put it up top.

Changed the mode to dark mode because the native color is a bit bland / bright for my liking.

I haven't really been paying attention to W11 posts / news because there's been too much noise before the actual release. I did look for a W11 Enterprise ISO but, everything looked a bit sketchy and bloated.

Everything seems to be running fine so far post-upgrade but, time will tell after using it for a few days whether it stays or gets booted back to W10. It does kind of have that Apple feel to it with things being locked down and centering of icons on the taskbar. At least most functions stayed in place on the upper right side of windows vs going complete apple and moving them to the left.

There will probably be some tweaks needed with more time spent using it.

 

Alt+Tab is annoying with the frosted whole screen

Opening something from the taskbar that's already open seems to not work well from within a full screen app.& being able to pick a window within the same "app" doesn't seem to work.

Hopefully MSFT works this crap out to bring functionality back or some tweak I haven't looked up yet fixes this.

 

Added the reg hack for the right click menu as the W11 options are limited unless you hit "more options" to restore the full menu which is a waste of time trying to get the original menu int he first place.

1. Press the Windows key and R to activate the Run dialog
2. Type regedit and press Enter to launch the Registry Editor
3. Navigate to HKEY_CURRENT_USER \ Software \ Classes \ CLSID
4. Click Edit > New > Key and create a new key called {86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}
5. With the new key selected, click Edit > New > Key and create a new key called InprocServer32
6. Select the newly created key and then double click the Default entry in the right-hand pane
7. Do not type anything, but press Enter (you should notice that the data column changes from (value not set) to simply being blank
8. Either restart your computer, or just restart the explorer.exe process

 

I had no issue with W10 updates. W11 will require updates sooner then later and will you do the same for W12 as well? I rather have updates then be open backdoor to infections. If W10 was working fine what was the really Problem?

 

@ StormJumper

I won't be changing my approach as I don't even bother with AV software for the past few years. blocking updates prevents me having to TS issues caused by them w/o prior approval to download / install them. I tend to be running on the edge of what's common HW configurations and outside of Windows I have issues with drivers in Linux as well at this point with their newer kernel's causing a hang on boot because some knucklehead dropped the driver for my NIC when pushing a change in the tree.

No OS at this point should be automated for "updates" unless you're just fine with braking your systems whenever some company decides to push software they deem urgent. I don't even let my phone auto update at this point either for the same reasons of it mucking up the OS.

I stay aware of what's coming out but, I don't trust these companies any longer due to the issues they're causing with faulty code. I'm not spending time o fixing what they're pushing. If I know what's being installed I can trace it back to whatever KB release was most recently applied and remove it. Verification is easy w/ just putting the KB# into google and looking for complaints about it breaking something. Most of these recent updates don't apply to my specific HW / SW anyway and I don't feel like downloading 1GB of patches weekly if they're not needed.

 

I still don't understand why you swapped out Win 10 for Win 11. @Mr. Fox @Ashtrix doo you see any reason for this?

Win 11 is in first stage of beta than old Win 10. Expect more updates for this new piece of OS trash. Win 11 is riddled with bugs. And more of them will pop up as time come.

 

No, other that simple curiosity. Windows 11 really does suck. I think it is garbage, but I understand if someone wants to find out on their own. That is one reason why I have my crash dummy OS installations. It's not because I think the product is good, or bad. It's because I wanted to find out and have evidence to support why my opinion is that the product is good or bad. That way nobody can say I am repeating what haters have said or just being critical about something I have no personal experience with. There is always the possibility I will like something others hate, or hate something others like. At the end of the day, the only thing that matters to me is what I like or don't like.

I have Windows 11 installed on a PCIe card that I can remove or install on my desktop with no tools, so I am not committed to it (thank God) in any shape, form or fashion. It is totally expendable and unnecessary. It's there for me to use as I build my case with the evidence needed to support my verdict. I would not install it on a system where using it leaves me stuck with no other option or no plan B for an escape route. And, I say that because it does suck. I know it sucks because I use it.

 

I know. Have tested it myself. Both the le3aked and the released version. But this isn't the same...


Win 11 is in first stage of beta. Updates will be needed. Filled with bugs. A working OS isn't the same as a reliable OS.

 

I was answering what I thought was your question as to why anyone would want to install Windows 11. Maybe I misunderstood the question.

Installing Windows 11 will not reduce the frequency of updates. One can expect a steady stream of projectile vomiting of updates no matter what version of Windows they use. The only way to stop that nonsense is to disable the ability to update and manually install the updates you decide are worthy of installation.

 

Well, boys, I've had 2 updates since the upgrade from W10. 1 of which seemed useless but, it was nagging for it to be installed frequently. The other seemed like a reasonable security patch.

I didn't really want to do W11 in the first place but, it's been stable so far. Hacking back in some of the useful options helps make it bearable. Knowing Microsoft and Windows for the past 20 some odd years it's more of a new "skin" on the old version just as things progressed from NT > W2K > W8 > W10. It's all the same garbage either way but, some software needs this crap to run because they don't put energy into making open source versions. If I could run all of my stuff in *nix I would prefer it for several reasons.

It really doesn't matter which version of Windows you use it's all BUGGY anyway. I see W11 as just a massive patch being applied to the underlying junk code they didn't feel like fixing incrementally.

 

Yep. I feel the same way about updates and anti-virus software. I don't really need either one. I used to have more issues with malware using antivirus software than I have had without it. The updates are applied in a totally random and haphazard manner. I think the case for either one is built based on the people using Windows. Most users of computers (Mac, Windows or Linux) are as dumb as a box of rocks, and they have web browsing habits that necessitate some kind of protection from their own idiotic behavior and bad personal choices. But, how smart can it be to trust the incompetent people that ship sloppy software messes or, even worse, those who live in countries that are known enemies of the free world that are looking for every opportunity to engage in cyberwarfare... selling antivirus software and "security" suites? In the most innocent scenario it is a money grab that opportunistically leverages the irrational fears of irresponsible people. In the most sinister scenario, one can let their imagination run wild.

 

@ Mr. Fox

I haven't bothered with AV / security software in at least a decade at this point. It's easy to spot when something isn't quite right as alarm bells go off all over the place. The practice of "kid gloves" is annoying for those who know WTF is going on with their systems and have a background in tech. Back in the day the recommendation was to tell people to buy a Mac as you couldn't F it up. Now I would suggest the general public get a Chrome Book as it's even more dummy proofed.

I took things a step further on network protection last year and built a router / firewall and some other functions because I was sick of relying on off the shelf makers to protect my traffic with buggy FW updates that tended to break stuff more than helping prevent issues. Knowing what's trying to pass through your gateway is more important than the junk software that hobbles your systems in the hopes that you won't get an intrusion or spyware. Knowing this approach isn't for the general public that don't have a clue and just rely on the OEM to protect them or pay a subscription fee for "protection" is just ridiculous.

I find it comical that the like of the NSA / DOD rely on outside help to secure their systems instead of hiring people in house to actually lock things down. If everything wasn't contracted out there would be more accountability for people touching the network to actually have their best interest in mind. It's kind of like FB's outage a couple of weeks ago with the BGP change that flushed all the routes from their network making everything internally/externally unreachable. It amazes me that they didn't have redundancy options in place to remote into those systems to revert the change. Every company I've worked for that trades in the Billion$ on the market has that capability. The smaller ones that didn't got my recommendation to do so as well...they didn't and paid the price for it eventually.

Basically this all boils down to PEBCAK if you need a "babysitter" to keep your system free of "infection".

 

The problem with this approach is that you'll get an even more screwed up OS. And more need to be done to make it a bit more appealing to use.

As I see it, you won't get any gain from the switch over to Win 11. Too much is changed in the new OS to push me over on something that is worse than Win 10. No tweaks can fully fix this newest Apple copy cat OS from Redmond. Too ugly and changes done in the wrong places. But thats me. Other can or may see it the other way. The coin have two sides

Hope you have better patience or luck than @JRE84 http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ixes-index-post-1.836254/page-9#post-11124429

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...xes-index-post-1.836254/page-10#post-11124430

 

It does have that Apple feel at first until you hack it a bit. I haven't had any issues at this point. Anything released at this point is an abomination as there's no real innovation at this point from the code monkeys. It's just about spit polishing a turd.

I've used everything from DOS to Apple on a floppy, Windows 3.1, and so on. Nothing really catches me off guard at this point when it comes to needing to reverse engineering things to make them work properly.

I just wish more Linux adoption would occur to get more mainstream software working w/I having to either hack it to work or run it in a VM.

 

Also did they consider the hardware maker doesn't support Win11 currently yet? This is another bigger reason not to just move without *Doing Homework* that all *Drivers* work with the latest version. Being it's first release and now one has fully tested it one is asking for Bugs, Buggy O/S and the like *GineaPig* until there is a stable version.

 

@ StormJumper

I haven't had any issues doing the in place upgrade from W10 to W11 other than the slow download to do so. Once things settle down with MS servers I'll probably DL an ISO and do a fresh install to purge everything W10. That will be the real test on the driver idea. I keep a repository of drivers though because fresh installs have bit me in the @$$ for the most basic network support to get updates installed / additional drivers not included in the ISO.

 

To me if W10 is working and updating now issues trying something is going to add more problems down the line unless the hardware manufacture of the board has updates to their software. This is how I see it if the system was a OEM Win10 one stay with it unless they get a OEM Win11 system then that's different. But that is me and from my experiences building and installing Win O/S Retail from Win95.

 

If the same system were released today and it took W11 the OEM would install W11 to streamline production and support.

 

OEMs are always going to do what is best for the OEM regardless of whether that is the best thing to do for the product or the product purchaser. There will be tons of stupid people that will want Winduhz 11 on a new machine because it's the newest OS. It doesn't matter if it is good or not. They won't know and won't care because newer is newer, and newer is what they want. Especially if their friends on Facepoot and Twatter tell them so.

 

Windows is just a PITA no matter what skin you put on it. Until Linux gets more comparing software crossover it's all in the devil you know. Apple is a while different monster in sheep's clothing.

Linux has come a long way in the past few years but, coders see $$$ in Windows. Funny though that recently there's WSL built into W. Might be an indicator that Windows will be more of a desktop skin than an OS further down the line.

W11 feels like it's trying to convert Mac users with the new feel. Intel releasing Alder Lake with a similar setup to the M1 chips seems to be on the same track. When it comes down to it though everything runs some flavor of Linux from your ISP equipment to your phone or watch. It's just a matter of time before things convert over.

Linux used to be a safe haven for avoiding the common flu that PCs get and needing AV for dummies. If things go mainstream people will need to run the hardening scripts or have it as part of the install for their own good. On the flipside you wouldn't need 64GB of RAM because of crap coding to make things run well.

 

So how you like so far W11 over W10? any feature on W11 that is missing on W10?

I have no problem in to jumping on a new OS, but the new OS has to have at least 1 feature that the old OS is missing. DX12 brought me to W10 from W7

 

Read this thread…. http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/windows-11.836230/page-84#post-11127470

 

I haven't spotted anything that performs differently between W11 / W10 other than some manor annoyances I've already listed. It's behaving as expected just like W10 but with less patches being pushed. It's been stable so far as far as performance goes.

 

Had a bit of an oddity occur that stood out when I went looking into it. I had a memory bloat to about 22GB when the system normally sits around 10-12GB. I checked the usual suspects like Chrome and DWM but, neither of them was consuming that much memory. Nothing showed up as to the problematic process. Nothing a reboot won't fix and back down under 10GB in use w/ Chrome open.

 

Might be the Windows Prefetch service it tries to cache all it can for faster app launches.

 

Yeah, that sounds about right to me, too. After all, the average everyday herp derp is going to be impressed with a fast app launch, but he/she/it won't notice the mismanagement of system resources.

 

@ Spartan@HIDevolution

Windows in general is an odd character to say the least. There were times when W10 would do it as well. There's times when I can go almost a month w/o having to reboot and typically only reboot when necessary for an actual worthwhile update or driver release. Another reason I went with Linux on my server for stability and less reboots needed for updates. Might be time to reconsider putting this crap in a VM and go about using it that way again. Maybe investigate going hypervisor for raw power instead of VM.

 

Feels like Windows 11 = Windows 10 plus a new UI lay M$ is anxious to shove to end customers. One is safe to just stick with Win10 for however long he likes. 2/3 major releases before there's any concrete changes

 

I wish I could. My Dell XPS 13 already came with Ubuntu Linux preinstalled so all drivers and FN keys and whatnot work.

Firstly, installing software such as Wine was a nightmare, it would never install no matter how many code I tried all copy/pasted from the various installation guides online. It would say the download finished but the app was no where to be found. I find this behavior just stupid in this day and age just to install one app.

Secondly, I kept getting nagged to update from Ubunto 20 to 20.1, the moment I did the upgrade, WiFi/Bluetooth no longer worked and God knows what else didn't, it's like the drivers were not compatible. I really have no time to deal with this.

Also, I use a text replacement app called PhaseExpress that I spent a whole year creating shortcuts for the work I do to reply quickly to customers. The app is available on Mac and Windows but not Linux. They have Auto Hotkey but I don't wanna redo all my text again.

That was the reason I tried installing Wine to see if I could run PhaseExpress using Wine but that was a big fail.

I just recently started using Mac OS and what I like is its simplicity, it just works. Never have to worry about formatting or new features and tweaks to do every day with every update, it's a single toggle switch do you want to share usage data with Apple, yes/no. End of story

 

I have noticed my roommates ROG laptop now won't sleep properly after Windows 11 upgrade. When locked, it jumps from Sleep to Login Splash-screen constantly. As soon as it hits the sleep timer and dims the monitor, it wakes back up and turns the monitor on again. The fans are ramping up and down each time. Repeats for hours, monitor on/off and laptop Sleep then awake. Driving me batty and it's not even my computer!

 

Of course... Data collection and end-user surveillance is not possible when the laptop is sleeping. The best solution is to turn it off when not in use. However, it is still unacceptable that Winduhz XI broke it But, I don't have a surprised look on my face.

 

I'm not having any of these issues w/ sleep/wake etc. Then again I've blocked MSFT by DNS from my network if there's something triggering it from that aspect and have blocked updates from auto installing as well.

 

have you updated the bios and installed the latest drivers for your computer? some of those problems might be fixed with either an updated bios and/or updated drivers