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    WIndows 11 insiders. Will it run on my dell 11 3000?

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by kojack, Jun 29, 2021.

  1. kojack

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    I know it does not meet the suggested specs, but will the insiders releases work on my core m3 dell 3000?
     
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    Cool, thanks. Once I re install a new SSD into it I will fire it up for the wife. It's her machine. She wants to start using it again....After I foraged the SSD out of it for my workstation. Ha ha.
    Will I notice a speed difference as well going from the Kingston a400 to the Samsung 860 evo?
     
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    You will NOT notice a difference between any SSD vs the other other than in synthetic benchmarks. an SSD is an SSD, fast as ****. Period. Just my 2 cents [​IMG]
     
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    Thank you for confirming what I was experiencing. So really spending uber bucks on a sabrent 4 plus is not warranted for my video editing purposes.
     
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    I've tried them all. If I'd give you 3 machines, one with a Samsung 980 Pro, one with a Sabrent Rocket Plus, and one with a Mickey Mouse SSD, you wouldn't be able to tell which is which unless you like copy a 20+ GB file from one partition to the other then maybe the more expensive SSDs will copy it a few seconds faster as they have higher sequential read/write speeds but the random Read/Write speeds which are what most users deal with are very close randing between 40 to 60 MB at max for Read and 80 to 200 MB max for writes. Just get the largest SSD for the cheapest price. XMG and ADATA have good options and even if you get one of the popular brand last-gen SSDs for cheap it would be a good deal.
     
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    I will stick with my Kingston SSD for Sata drives and use something like the seagate nvme for cheap.
     
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    Been looking and the XMG 4tb is a "decent" price. I need two of those, and a 2 tb sata for the wifes 11 3000. So I will just use the kingston a400 for that. The two Nvme I remove from my computers will be the drives going into the USB-C dual NVME enclosure for notebook video editing. Have you seen any 4tb HDD in 2.5" form factor? I could not find any while looking. IF there are bigger than that I would like as much storage on HDD as I can.
     
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    There are plenty of 2.5 inch 4TB HDDs out there but they wont fit inside of any laptop because all of them are 15nm in size while a normal laptop SATA HDD/SSD are 7nm.
     
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    I am putting them into an enclosure or if they are already in an enclosure it would be fine too.
     
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    If you want an external, check the WD My Passport
     
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    Will do, thanks. I need something like that for DW and I for our businesses.
     
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    I was going to suggest you getting an external HDD next because there are not many enclosures that supports 15nm drives. The biggest one i know of is 9nm.
     
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    I would say unless your testing the Win 11 to stay with Win10 that is stable. Especially if your using for business stay with something support and not experiment a O/S on equipment you need to run your business.
     
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    I agree. I just hope they reconsider their "restrictions" on some older hardware. If I have to I will resort to some sort of hack to get it running.
     
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    Ok, just revisiting this for a few moments. I looked at all the specs from DW's inspiron 3179. It has tpm 2.0, and all the "required" specs. However, the CPU is a 7th gen. Why is it left off the official list? seems like the TPM was the sticking point of older hardware. I am guessing they are going to expand upgradability in the near future. If not, I have to trick windows into thinking it's on an 8th gen somehow.
     
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    Its one of Microsoft's dumb decisions and trying to force customers to buy new PCs when they dont need to. There is a loophole to make it work but they said unsupported systems wont get anymore Windows updates though

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/windows-11.836230/page-58#post-11116715

    Overall just stick to Win10 because there no reason to upgrade to 11
     
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    I have read that too, but I think they are going to move the goal posts back after. A 7th gen cpu with tpm 2.0 like my wife's dell is no different than an 8th gen i3. I think they are playing it safe for launch. Then after a month or so, move to include more systems.
     
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    See below.
    There is more reasons than TPM 2.0 and secure boot wasn't enough for Microsoft.

    Intel said that Spectre and Meltdown were addressed with hardware-level changes starting with Intel 8th-generation CPUs.

    Isn’t it interesting that Windows 11 requires 8th-generation CPUs or newer? We imagine this is related :)

    But it is allowed to live in hope :D And if they are to change anything on the HW requirements, then it must happen before release date and not after. Not the way it works.

    Isn't it amusing that my 6 years old laptop from 2015 have TPM 2.0, Secure boot and upgraded to 9th gen Cpu (i7-6700K, i7-7700K, i7-8700K and now running i9-9900K)? Which is Microsoft minimum HW requirements for win 11. Yep, upgradable laptops is rarely today, yesterday and not the standard anymore. But this doesn't mean I want to jump on Win11. Too much drawbacks.
     
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    A follow up article on why Microsoft try to push you over on newer HW for Win 11. Its for your own good :D If you values or need maximum security then you'll experience lower performance with the new coming Apple similar touch OS.

    [​IMG]
    MBEC function in the CPU is a prerequisite for Windows 11 deskmodder.de | Sept 7, 2021

    If you start the tool from Microsoft, WhyNotWin11, or ReadySunValley, you will be shown that the CPU is not suitable for Windows 11, but not why. The devil is in the details here again.
     
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