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    What are the dvantages of Windows 7?

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by BondEternal, Oct 21, 2009.

  1. BondEternal

    BondEternal Notebook Consultant

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    Here's the short and simple question: What are the advantages of Windows 7 over Vista/XP? Please post your evidence for your advantages.

    FYI, this is for my dad who requires some persuading about purchasing the Windows 7 Upgrade. :rolleyes:
     
  2. DarkSilver

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    I found 1 big disadvantage of Windows 7!!
    Windows 7 can't be tweaked so much, unlike Vista.
    If you change too much of the services.msc, some bugs such as folder in use, access denied or permission errors will occur. However, Windows 7 is running fine without tweaking the services.msc. Vista needs to tweak a lot(extreme) even though it won't have problems with the tweaks.
    I wish I can tweak many thing that I wish on Windows 7 and I found this disadvantage. If it can be extreme tweaked(stable), I am sure it will be much more better.
     
  3. booboo12

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    I doubt his dad's going to be diving into the services. :p

    I haven't found many disadvantages, the taskbar can have a small learning curve, but all the pundits saying it's "Vista done right" are mostly correct.
     
  4. DarkSilver

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    There aren't a lot of people will tweak the system.
    1st, some people don't know how to do it.
    2nd, might lead to problem after tweaking.
    Basically, 7 improves everything of Vista. So, logically, it is the BEST Windows currently.
     
  5. surfasb

    surfasb Titles Shmm-itles

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    If you are fine with Vista, I really don't see the reason to bother with Win7....
     
  6. ilovejedd

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    Better networking than XP. Less annoying implementation of UAC than Vista. Much improved Windows Media Center (for those planning on using it for HTPCs). Feels faster than Vista on the same hardware.
     
  7. booboo12

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    That's what I was saying. :confused: :)
     
  8. fred2028

    fred2028 Sexy member

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    I think it's a better idea because

    - Less resource usage (RAM, CPU)
    - Less clutter (I guess the new UI has a factor)
    - Less disc space used for installation (and removal of random programs like DVD Maker)
    - Much more organized taskbar
    - The touch-screen features (windows drag and stuff)

    If people are always fine with what they have then they would never find out what they are missing. Plus, installing 7 isn't a 1-way thing, you can always remove it if you don't like it,.
     
  9. tyrael

    tyrael Notebook Enthusiast

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    i think windows 7 doesn't have any disadvantages compared to vista
     
  10. spradhan01

    spradhan01 Notebook Virtuoso

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    The best difference I found was on Street Fighter 4. On Vista, I got like 30 FPS on 1920 X1200 and everything maxed out. But to my surprise, I got avg 59 FPS on win 7 with SLI off on both.

    So I love gaming on Win 7. It rules.
     
  11. Pitabred

    Pitabred Linux geek con rat flail!

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    The main thing your dad will notice is that Windows 7 just "feels" a lot faster. Most of that is due to an overhaul of the GDI subsystem... rather than slowing down everything when one application is drawing to the screen, they have made it so that each application can draw independently. The result isn't that it is actually faster, but it feels faster and smoother. As for improvements over XP, if you have a multi-core chip, you need 7 or later to get the best performance. Windows 7 does much better with scheduling multiple jobs across cores than XP does.
     
  12. sean473

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    Ya windows 7 is much faster than vista. UAC is less irritating.. new Windows Media player and centre and also faster load times for applications. For example in vista , when a level was loaded or i quit, it took one minute at least for the game to start or to go to the menu.. now it takes 10-20 seconds.. Windows 7 is generally faster and better and every penny spent to upgrade to it is worth it.
     
  13. sabricaze

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    BUT the point is, if you have no problem with Vista, no need to spend $$ for it.
     
  14. person135

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    Windows 7 IMO is as stable if not more stable than WinXP. It's less annoying than Vista, and runs faster than both vista and XP. It's a lot less cluttered, and it just feels great to use.

    I can't really provide and "solid" evidence for my experiences, but I've been using win7 for over a month now and it's great.
     
  15. surfasb

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    And we have someone who is actually thinking dollars and sense.
     
  16. DarkSilver

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    LOL. Windows 7 is not 100% needed of course.
    But if you manage to get it(afford), then, go for it!
    Windows 7 is better than Windows Vista.
     
  17. sabricaze

    sabricaze Notebook Evangelist

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    BUT even if you could afford it (I'm sure a lot of people can), there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to get it if you're perfectly fine with Vista. (which a lot of people are)
     
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  18. DarkSilver

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    I am PERFECT fine with Windows Vista x64 actually.
    But I am still getting Windows 7 x64. LOL.
    Actually, I have tweaked my Vista very well that it actually matched Windows 7 except the boot-time.
     
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  19. sabricaze

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    Yeah, and that's what we call (in lack of better words) waste of money.

    Oh, no offense. It just is. It's your choice to get it or not, given +/- of each and your need. As for the thread poster's "dad," I would just stick with Vista.
     
  20. MrPuff

    MrPuff Notebook Consultant

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    And if you are fine with xp you dont need vista but there are benefits to upgrading. They may not be important to you but they are improvements none the less. Just because you don't feel the need to upgrade doesn't mean there is no reason to, it just means the benefits aren't worth the cost to you. Others may have reason to upgrade to win 7 from vista even though they are fine with vista. Windows 7 is simply more enjoyable to use. Vista as it should have been is fitting.
     
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  21. DEagleson

    DEagleson Gamer extraordinaire

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    If you really need a new windows OS, Windows 7 is what you should buy.
    But if you happy using XP / Vista and its working for you theres no reason for the average user to upgrade unless you got a free upgrade to windows 7.

    What i like with Windows 7 is that i can use both a ATI and a Nvidia gpu.
    Just got myself a Nvidia GT220 just so i can enjoy PhysX on my games. :)
     
  22. Matt is Pro

    Matt is Pro I'm a PC, so?

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    I would argue that if you have to do that much tweaking to match, then you truly did not match anything. You've only made yourself feel better, and possibly reduced your systems functionality.

    "Tweaking" is a gimmick too many people fall for.
     
  23. DarkSilver

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    I don't care if you like to argue or whatever it is(you can even scold me, curse me).
    Because I am happy with it and I live with it.
    Tweaking is not easy, I mean a stable and good tweaking.
    I have tweaked the System well, I have no virus, Good tweaked FF, Undervolted CPU, OCed GPU and everything run fine.
    I tried to run a benchmark with another laptop which is better than mine.
    I got better benchmarking after doing all these things.

    Life is about happiness, don't you think so?
    Windows 7, I didn't tweak it. It works great already!
     
  24. sabricaze

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    Thank you for rephrasing what I said? You read my post after that?
     
  25. MrPuff

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    I rephrased to a degree, I agreed with what you said but not with how you said it. Your tone was that windows 7 is not worth upgrading to if vista works fine for you. I don't agree with that. What I said in my post was that if vista works well for you AND the benefits of upgrading are not worth the money to you then by all means use vista, its a smart choice. But I also pointed out that Windows 7 is a much better operating system and I and many others feel it is worth spending money on. It isn't crazy different compared to vista, but the way it is enhanced over vista gets rid of many of the little quirks with vista while adding little perks.

    If someone has the money and wants to know which is better I would recommend 7 over vista in a heartbeat. I know people hate car analogizes but this is very similar to someone asking if a 2009 corvette is worth the extra money over a 2005 corvette. If you are tight on money and with tweaks the 2005 corvette is very nice. Both cars look similar and have similar innards. Both perform. If you don't race you don't need all that power in a car anywho and I am sure either car would be just fine for the average Joe. But if you ask me which feels better and is better if you are looking for the best experience, i would say the 2009 is the better car.

    Some people are not looking to save a buck and should be given the facts, not told to save their money. I may be wrong but in the post I quoted you seemed to pretty much say only an idiot would get 7 if vista isn't giving them issue. I say vista works pretty good now, but 7 works a bit better so you pick what is right for you.
     
  26. sublime313

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    do a google search for Windows 7 Toolkit 1.8. gives you a crapload of tweaking options.
     
  27. sublime313

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    one thing i'll say about Windows 7 aside from everything else- i had problems on my system with vista installing new nVidia drivers. it was an incredible headache, and i had to stick to an older driver version to avoid problems. with windows 7 there i have not had a single issue with any type of driver.
     
  28. Deathwinger

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    Isn't this what people said about XP and Vista?

    And then when I didn't listen to them and got Vista with my new computer and had a better experience (especially with productivity tools)....were they still right in their assessment?
     
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    The only problem i have is that if i try to run a game at a resolution that is not the max for my display, it always shows as letter box. Still looking into it as it has allowed me some fps gains in COD4, but it sometimes get annoying.
     
  30. DarkSilver

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    It is more like a Hacking/Cracking software for Windows 7 Activation.
    I read the users comments, they're headache about this software and it caused plenty of problems.
     
  31. sabricaze

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    I don't know man, what you just said is completely same as what I said. I do not understand how you understood my tone of explaining whether it's a smart decision to upgrade or not.

    "BUT even if you could afford it (I'm sure a lot of people can), there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to get it if you're perfectly fine with Vista. (which a lot of people are)"

    I use Win7. I don't doubt that it's worth upgrading, but like I said (and you said), if it's not worth it for you (= satisfied with the current OS), there is no need to spend money on it. Why would an average computer user be excited about spending extra money on something new when they're satisfied with what they have now?

    Granted, some people just want to spend the money on new, shiny stuff. I don't care. Given the fact that the kid, the poster of this thread, is trying to persuade his/her parents to get Win7, I assumed that they refused to upgrade in first hand.
     
  32. sabricaze

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    I guess you're one of the lesser of the two that liked Vista over XP. People have different experiences on those two. Tests show that XP is better than Vista in most aspects, but if that's what you say, then good for you!

    I'm sure most of those who said XP > Vista still stand on their view.
     
  33. Matt is Pro

    Matt is Pro I'm a PC, so?

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    I used XP for years, and the instant I began using Vista as my primary OS, it was all downhill from there for XP.

    Vista is a far superior OS (IMO, of course), and Windows 7 only makes it that much better.
     
  34. sgilmore62

    sgilmore62 uber doomer

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    Too bad you didn't get a hold of the free release candidate so that your Dad could actually use the OS and decide for himself whether or not it would be worth it to upgrade to Windows 7.

    After using Windows 7 it would be difficult for me to go back to Vista--Win 7 seems more responsive and Vista just looks ugly to me, XP even uglier. I like using IE8 and it was buggy with Vista--IE8 works and looks great with Windows 7.
     
  35. zhaden

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    I must ask you: what makes it perfectly okay and hunky-dory that your opinion ... note: opinion ... is the correct one (win7 isn't worth upgrading to if you're currently satisfied regardless of your opinion of the w7 perks, upgrades, advantages and overall improved user-experience - yeah, we got it dood) as opposed to the people who are on the other end of the spectrum? It sounds to me like all you really want to do is argue, because there is no argument here outside of I am right, you are wrong. Listen to yourself: people have different experiences. What makes him a lesser person? You sound completely childish as a result of not contributing anything other than shadowed insults. Go ahead and cite something yourself if you've got something other than an opinion.

    XP is better than vista in most aspects; really? Like what? 64 bit driver support? (remember: without win xp x64 you got stuck at 3.5gb of RAM). Interesting note: ever tried xpx64? It'll make you backtrack your XP fanboyism all the way to the vista isle. How about xp's 16 bit driver architecture? Pretty sweet that something so crucial to a system's performance and operation is so low on the queue in regards to security. Ever wonder why that POS BSOD'd after your ATi driver crashed? Ding ding: those wonderful drivers' threads.

    We all know XP's security is top-notch too. I know the majority of users aren't power users, but c'mon; if on my network of 70 computers (real life, not an opinion; for the record) i have users surfing naughty stuff or mtv or whatever (crud happens, I'm not the boss; just a fixer-upper) and a popup comes up that can say I need to update your anti-virus and it tricks 25% of my users over the age of 30 AFTER warning them about this specific pop-up; and subsequently we get 2 to 3 computers getting infected weekly regardless of top-notch security measures (barring user error); there is something inherently wrong.

    A vast majority of problems in XP stem from the fact that the majority of the threads you run as a user (for most people) are run as the administrator. Got your browser running as an admin? Click that popup? Someone with a little knowhow write a java backend on that doodad? You just got sodomized, man. Driver written pretty poorly for that USB drive? Ah, well, XP defaulted to plug-and-play as an admin and you got crashed. Good times.

    XP has also got stellar disk-trashing and auto-fragmentation abilities. It's fantastic how you can fill your hard drive up just by installing and uninstalling the same program a multitude of times.

    There will be a lot of hateration going on as is always the case when MS releases something that is increasing their marketshare. All those people will get over it. Win7 will be here to stay and you will see XP and Vista phased out over the course of the next couple of years. MS is being EXTREMELY aggressive with license pricing. It is arguably cheaper to upgrade to w7 for businesses using exchange servers/already embedded in MS's molasses than it would be to move to linux. (this is almost a direct quote from the man behind ubuntu 9.10 - released in tandem with 7 for competitive purposes).

    XP is notably faster than Vista. With stock settings. No tweaking. And on old hardware. Guess you got me there. This is not the case with w7 (which is, actually, what this is about).
     
  36. sabricaze

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    First of all, there is no argument. You understood what I said in a completely different way. "What makes him a lesser person?" Are you serious? Who ever said HE, as a person, is a lesser person than other person or people? Read my post again. "Lesser of the two that liked Vista over XP" refers "LESSER of the TWO" to a group of people with less people that liked Vista over XP. Must we do an English class session here? Sure, what I said can be considered an opinion, but as I said, as well as thousands, if not millions, of testers have tested both OS, XP DID result in better in most aspects. Search it yourself. Fortunately, this "opinion" of mine is being supported by many many tests. Most importantly, I did NOT take a side to this so called "argument" by you. As for the references, go on ahead to google and search for xp vs vista. I don't believe I would have to cite anything, since most of them say the similar or same anyway.

    I don't think any of what you said above or... below really contributes here. I'll leave you to do your better research. I'm not here to debate whether in which aspect each OS is better than the other. Read posts more carefully next time. Maybe you'll save some time of your life without wasting on something useless.
     
  37. zhaden

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    Snap, now we're talking. Actually; I do understand english. Here, let me show you what you wrote: " I guess you're one of the lesser of the two that liked Vista over XP." lol. Okay; I guess I misinterpreted that. My bad. Anyway, by not appending groups to two, you make him the subject of the sentence. At least, I'm pretty sure that's how English works.

    Actually, I don't really have an issue citing resources: Firstly, you, arguing: "BUT even if you could afford it (I'm sure a lot of people can), there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to get it if you're perfectly fine with Vista. (which a lot of people are)"

    Next: Advantages of Windows 7; which is what the topic is about. Forgive me for only citing one resource, but engadget does a really nice unbiased job the majority of the time and I am a big fan.

    This includes: Taskbar that is easily customized to whatever your preferences may be, but the most of the polls on this forum and others indicate current w7 users are pleased with the changes. The inclusion of Aero peek is really nice when you've got a lot of things going on at once. All of the aero animations are refined to take up much less time while maintaining a smooth motion on your screen. The Media Center is much more user-friendly, responsive and refined for general use. As well as adding in quite a few standardized options for HTPCs, especially when it comes to recording/encoding/transferring/sharing/backing up. The security center is much more refined. You are now able to set the level of involvement you desire and build rules in addition to this. Basically: You can determine how much you are able to do without giving yourself administrative rights (read: click the yes button with the greyed out background - still an annoyance in Vista). File sharing for the vast majority of users will be much easier with the new HomeGroup system, in which you simply type the name of a HomeGroup and assign a password if you decide you want to. All of this, and you still get an operating system that can run on the same resources as XP. Albeit, for a lot of the GUI advances you will need at least a recent integrated GPU.

    edit: a more complete list

    That is a quick rundown as to why you should pay $30 for Win7 if you are able to do so. I don't think, honestly, I would have personally upgraded for $120 given you are only able to install it on one computer per license currently. But I got Pro through school and a free upgrade with the lappy. If I was on modern hardware and stuck with XP though, just for security purposes and hardware support I would shell out the $120. Even if you get a little trojan, it is much easier to diagnose and kill if you are not running as admin 100% of the time.
     
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    I was perfectly fine with vista. I wanted windows 7. That's reason enough. Why? Windows 7 is better.

    You drive an old car. There is a new and better car. Well OF COURSE you don't NEED to get the new car if you are fine with your old car. The new car saves more gas and is more eco friendly. Well I'm fine with my old car...

    Windows 7 will make your computer run better and more efficiently for the user, and if not the user, at least for the computer itself. Now you have to decide for yourself if that's reason enough to upgrade.

    Saying there's absolutely no reason to upgrade is wrong.