Whats up with all you HATE for Vista. Impatient as hell

I dont think we have to worry anytime soon about MS losing its Monpoly.

 

my 2 cents. i love vista over XP. ive installed my favorite games
half life 2, dawn of war 40k, need for speed most wanted, total war rome and medieval.

all my work stuf. photoshop illustrator flash and indesign.

everything is fine, and the latest update fixed the transfer speed wifi and also the cpu usage.

pretty neat imo. no complaints from my vista 32bit premium

 

Amen

Which one will MS release first? SP1 or SP3? Sorry I'm not very updated on this

 

sp3 already came out. sp1 i heard in january

 

You need a lot of memory to really see Vista's performance or... to not notice the memory hog. XP is much speedier system, I prefer Vista but can't say it's better than XP.

 

I love Vista, and I want it to work and be efficient. But I have to face certain facts that while gaming or certain 3D apps, XP is just far more efficient. That's part of the reason I dualboot with it. I still like Vista, but XP just rocks the gaming world so much better.

I get a 10 to 20% difference in performance between XP and Vista, and on laptop hardware, those are big numbers. On my desktop, 10% is nothing, my 8800 GTX can shrug it off. But on mobile hardware it's another story entirely.

 

I like the way Vista feels and looks but I don't like how it operates. I will use it but it won't be going on my desktop. My reasoning: a) it has reduced gaming performance vs. XP, b) Vista doesn't make use of sound cards and I spent a lot of money on mine, and c) some of my games are older and do not work on Vista. So, I have legitimate reasons for not wanting to put Vista on my desktop.

However, there are other things that keep me away from Vista too. I find this ridiculous:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/29/vista_networking_degradation/

 

I don't hate Vista. I just don't like it. Some of the new features were nice when I tried it, but the interface was slightly less responsive than XP, I liked the fonts a bit less, and I had too many hardware and software issues.

And, with the good, stable, not-interesting experience I've been having with XP, I'm not compelled to upgrade. This sound thing is news to me, but I probably don't like that either.

 

No, SP3 is not in general release yet.

Gary

 

It seems that many of the people responding to this that "love" vista aren't even familiar with what Vista brings to the desktop market.

The main goal of Vista is to implement DRM -- Digital Rights Management.

Digital rights management returns control of your machine from you the user, back to the vendors, thus taking away your say with what you do with your machine.

furthermore, Vista is NOT new, period!. It is still based on the same exact kernel as XP and 2003, which in turn were based on the NT4 kernel with slight changes. Most of the changes to vista were visual/aesthetic changes, and internal changes to how the software is handled.

You want to know why Vista is bad? Research TCPA/Pallidium and DRM. DRM will change the face of computers everywhere the further along it gets. Right now it is simply to manage our rights with music, but in the next few releases, its going to go much further. DRM will actually make it possible for software to be installed or uninstalled WITHOUT user input at all. If you install trialware and it exceeds its limit, its immediately uninstalled. If you uninstall a component because you dont want it, yet microsoft or other vendor says youre to have it, guess what, it gets put right back on your machine.

The problem with most users today is that they are just that, users. No desire to understand how their computer works, only how to turn it on and press a bunch of keys. Being informed is the only way to really enjoy the freedoms that you have on your computer.

Another bad thing about DRM -- It will make things like copying even your own dvds or music cds impossible. Now, we can get into the whole well you shouldnt be sharing them scenario here, but I am referring to actually making backups of YOUR music and movies, for your own personal use, so that you don't damage the originals.

So yeah, vista is great. Take away our rights and we are going to love you even more... * ponders * Im so glad im a systems engineer and don't have to worry about microsoft controlling my machines

Also, the benchmarking for vista sucks, It is even more of a memory hog than XP, due to how the os interacts with your hardware, it is much more demanding on the hardware level, to the point that most machines running it are ridiculously slow and latent. Try running Vista home premium on 1G ram, with more than 5 programs running. Here, try this:

Vista home premium, 1G ram, 64Mb graphics.
Programs to run:
Photoshop//Gimp
Office (Open or even MS)
AIM
Yahoo
And WMPlayer playing a movie

Try that and lets see how much you really like vista then .

 

+1 to Vista baby

 

that is completely FALSE....where did you even come up with that non-sense?

http://www.microsoft.com/uk/technet/itsshowtime/sessionh.aspx?videoid=340

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/vista/kernel-en.mspx

first of all, it takes 1gb of ram for vista to even run...so obviously, if you overload it with that little RAM..it will slow down

ram is so cheap now-a-days, that there is no excuse to only have 1gb of ram now

 

More XP users because it's been in use for 7 years! Vista was supposed to move forward and shed the 16bit backward compatibility. If MS builts an OS that's always backwards compatible since day one then how can it move forward? Vista is still in it's infancy and so far the x32 version is comparable to XP.

 

Even though I do like Vista in a relative sense, some people, like me, get irritated at the increasing resource drag of windows (from the very beginning until now) and simply refuse to use it or support it until it becomes a necessity

 

his here above is your typical no-nothing hyped up negative, anti-MS hater.

The only new DRM in Vista is support for HDMI/HD content. Did MS create this DRM...nope. MS did not create any DRM they only comply with it.

In theory movies that come on Blue-Ray or HD-DVD disks must go through HDMI, and so the movie player (dedicated player or PC) will need to have a HDMI connector and the TV set or monitor must have it as well. All three pieces must also have the new DRM or support it (player, media and TV/Monitor. This will make it harder to pirate.

I said in theory. It was supposed to be enforced in 2008….but with a format war going on, and many people that have TV sets that have HDMI but not support for the new DRM the movie industry has pushed it back to 2012. So in theory….in 2012 you might buy a movie that has this new DRM and to play it in HD (720P or higher) you will need to have a player and a TV set that supports the DRM encryption/decryption.

Vista supports this new DRM if a disk that has it is put into a Vista machine to be played.

So genius….do you have a HD-DVD or Blue-Ray player in your PC? No you say. Ok do you have any HD-DVD /Blue-Ray media that has the new DRM? No you say. If you had that does your TV or monitor have the ability to decrypt that new DRM…..what NO AGAIN. For the love of god the BS on the internet.

MS is supporting DRM free music on the Zune store. Bill Gates said himself in a interview over year ago that he HATES DRM and that its bad for the industry.

The record and movie industry are pushing DRM so they can continue to get paid insane amounts of money to sing and act….as opposed to say a teacher that well……teaches children.

Yes MS build upon each OS….but I would bet the number of lines of code that is in Vista that is from NT…is probably less 1%. I also have no problem for instance if calc.exe had not changed one bit sine Windows NT 3.1 workstation….if it works don’t fix it. Vista has a new network stack…brand new with native support for IP6. It has a totally new graphics engine. UAC is new and way more secure. Its poorly written applications that must run as an administrator that don’t like UAC. MS is not blame for these applications. The vendor that made them, should have coded them better in the first place, or made a patch in the 2 YEARS they could have tested with Vista.

For Christ sake, everyone knew Vista was coming and could test it almost a year before….joe public could.

So this poster above is speaking out of his arse. He/She is one step from being a Linux or OS X fanatic fangirl, complete with his/her burning Windows Flag tattoo.

 

yep..and i just debunked his statement that there was no kernal change...just another non-sense post from a typical MS hater

 

I like Vista, It just sucks at Multitasking compared to XP. The CPU & RAM usage is always higher in Vista when Mulitasking several apps.

Other than that I don't have any problems with Vista. I do however wish they would get rid of Mobile Center and bring Active Sync back.

 

My question for you is does it "feel like" its not multi-tasking as well as XP as in slower?

Or is your opinion based on looking at task manager and seeing that Vista uses more of your system and performs the same or better when multi-tasking?

Honestly if Vista uses twice as much memory and CPU to multi-task....as long as my over all experience is as good or better then....who cares. To me its just utilizing the system better.

 

It depends, I know on my 1GB Ram desktop Multitasking simple apps are a breeze, but when handling one or two heavy apps and other minor apps, you would really have to watch your ram. And using memory leak prone Firefox doesn't help either. On my 2GB notebook Multitasking is much more pleasant.

But on both my Desktop and Notebook which both have AMD X2, The CPU in Vista is always Higher than on XP when Multitasking. The results in my experience is that you will experience temporary freezes every now and then when CPU is at or near 100%. Happens in XP too but rarely.

Vista is overall a great OS. To expect any OS to be perfect is nonsense. Even XP isn't perfect.

 

really???? i think vista is awesome at multitasking...

with xp..whenever 1 program is busy doing something it slows down the whole computer

with vista...whenever 1 program is busy...all other programs are easily usable and accessible

 

From my personal experience i guess

I installed vista on my old lappy, 1gig of ram, 1.6 turion x2, integrated nvidia 6150, and it was a complete waste of time. This made me sooo made because it was a vista ready notebook.

Just got my new pc, and vista is very very stable. But my specs are so much higher (check sig). Vista is a resource hog period, but luckily i have a coputer with enough resource. From when i had vista on my old notebook (+6 months ago), i can really see the change in what it can do, and to be honest, i think its shaping up to be a great OS

BUT, it is highly unoptimized, my graphics card benchmarks higher on xp, my cpu performs better on xp, i know this is a new OS, but this just goes to show that vista isnt ready for hardcore use yet, just like xp, we'll have to wait for sp2.

I wonder if my specs will be ready for Windows Vienna in 2-3 years

 

well..vista takes advantage of your resources...what's the point of having such high specs if it's not going to be taken advantage of? kind of like buying a 4 wheel drive car in florida

 

Even though I have a system capable of running Vista. I went back to XP because some of the racing games I have run faster and more stable under XP. Hopefully when things get sorted out with Vista i'll switch back. I do like the OS but it's not at the same performance level with XP when it comes to certain games.

 

You can't entirely blame Microsoft for that. Remember, they have to tailor their product to their audience, and people demand backwards compatibility and 32-bit, so Microsoft has to release it. If programs were more up to date and people released newer versions, this could be partly alleviated.

 

this kinda raises a question, why do these vista ready pc's even come with 32 bit processors? why not go all the way and make it a mandatory 64 instead of trying to cater to a tiny selected crowd (ppl with moderate vista specs already in there pc)

 

Considering how a HUGE majority of computer users in the world don't even know the difference between 32 and 64 bit and how so many of them were still using XP x86 with 32 bit processors when Microsoft began its Vista design, I would say your remark on a "tiny select crowd" doesn't seem very accurate.

Last count there were only 100,000 plus users on this forum, with the world population at 6 billion plus and a large proportion owning PCs I would think Microsoft went for the mass consumer approach in NOT making Vista 64-bit only.

 

this is dumb, RAM is so cheap nowadays its wrong not to have 2gb of RAM. 1GB of ram is good for vista just running.

on my 2gb. i use
firefox
photoshop
office
msn messenger
yahoo messenge
wmplayer playing house md 'games'

no slowdown whatsoever. i wonder if u even have vista or even tried it?

 

We'll looking at your specs, of course you would have an awesome Multitasking experience with Vista. Maybe you had a worst experience with XP due to differ reasons, like spy/malware and or reg changes, etc. The UAC of Vista makes it much more difficult for things of that nature to slow your pc.

 

I agree. There is no excuse to have only 1gb of ram nowadays. It amazes me how people try installing vista with only 1gb of ram and then complain about it. It takes vista a full gig of ram just to even start up your computer.

 

1 gig does me fine. I have MSN, media player and usually an Office application running. Vista doest freeze or halt what so ever.

 

you are missing out on a quite an experience then....just try buying 1 more gig...and see how BIG of a difference it makes

 

1 GB is fine if you get XP, or are just word processing and Internet browsing on Vista. 512 MB is enough if you're doing basic word processing and Internet browsing in XP.

It is certainly not true that Vista requires 1 GB to start the computer. A fresh install of Vista Home Premium uses between 400 MB and 425 MB of RAM - less than half of 1 GB. Even non-fresh installs from OEMs would work in 768 MB.

I wouldn't try to run Home Premium on 512 MB, but for basic browsing and typing, 1 GB would be plenty.

[/defending Windows 6]

 

I'm not too sure about that...after a fresh restart...my computer is already using around 35% of my 3gb....just a little bit more than 1gb of ram

and we are talking about vista here..not xp

perhaps, you are talking about the absolute BARE MINIMUM, as one would have after a fresh clean install and not installing any other apps....but who just uses a computer running only an OS?

 

My Vista home basic runs on 450-550 MB RAM...so 1 GB is enough but i still upgraded to 2 GB....was that a right move?

 

absolutely...

1gb is the minimum requirements...so yes...it can run with 1gb of ram..however, it will be crippled

also I have ultimate...which creates restore points..and with discfetcher..so I do have more processes running than home basic

 

im running on 828mb lol vista home premium with the sidebar on and mcafee and firefox with media player and msn and ym. no lagg whatsoever im glad i got 2gb

 

I don't have VISTA and I'll tell you why. Microsoft despite their vast resources and personnel, does a stinking job of releasing new OS' that cover a lot of the most basic things they should. Backwards compatibility, driver support, and all too often if you opt to dump the OS and reinstall your old one, it's a war to to get the new one off so you can install the old one. That includes trying to reformat the drive.

Now, I know you can't plan for every contingency. Stuff is oging to pop up that gives somebody a headache. But the consistency of the same old problems with new releases is absurd.

Solution? Oh, well, mine is simple. I ignore any new Windows release for a full three years. By then, they have all the SP's out for fixing the bugs. So until then, I'll stay with XP, which I didn't start using until it was three years old opting to stay with Windows 2000 until relatively recent times. And I'm hanging onto 2000 because I might opt to install it my old Sony GRZ610 which I use for class lectures. See, I refuse to place my Sager NP9890 or NP9261 at an OOPS! risk in a room full of students who don't have a sense of not touching things that don't belong to them. In any case, XP won't run a piece of software I still like. It's called Astound, I have the very last version before they went belly up. I loved it, still do depsite the improvements in PowerPoint. Anyway, about VISTA, stay awya from it for three years. By then, it will be worth buying and probably slightly cheaper from some vendors after all the new toy excitement has cooled down a bit.

 

Ok here are some legit problems I have encountered in last 30 miserable days dealing with windows vista.
1) Windows Vista crashes at least 1 time a day doing normal work and running multiple softwares.

2) Whenever my adsl router gets rebooted due to power failure comon in my area it never catches new ip address, even after disabling and enabling network adapter it do not catches new ip address, so i have to reboot my dell 1420 and enter 8 very very long passwords to start various processes and get back into business. I suspect it may be dsl router problem but damn thing works fine with my compaq xp machine.

3) when vista fails to captcher new ip after dsl router reboot due to power failure it makes my instant messenger IP PHONE and skype offline this is costing me TONS of problems and missed calls on phone and instant messenger.

4) My creative zen players Lastest optimized software for vista crashes vista explorer and its pain to copy more then 2 files at single time.

5) Amibroker / AmiQuote stocks software do not works on windows vista making my life hell further...

6) VLC media player, Bit torrent, zone alarm, trillion etc., still have problems with vista, Sometimes they mysteriously crash on vista.

7) I have external monitor connected to left side of laptop every time i log off or lock the computer or if screen saver ends or I log back into vista it freaky changes display multiple times to laptop and then again to external monitor. When it happens all windows opens on laptop instead of external monitor and it sucks to drag them again from laptop to external monitor. This do not happens if computer doesn't to screen saver mode or I do not log off. Some times it changes the resolution of laptop screen from 1280x800 to 800x600 for some unknown reason but eventually rebooting 2 times fixes the problem.

8) Internet explorer 7 have rendered autofill option useless in password agent software because autofill short key is alt+shift+a but in Internet Explorer 7 alt is the key for activating menu hence short key do not work!

All these problems do not exists on my 3 years old compaq laptop running windows xp and now I CURSE THE DAY I ORDERED NEW DELL 1420 LAPTOP. I am now planning to drop dell from my shopping list forever as they intentionally sold me buggy vista software on dell 1420 by giving no option for windows xp and I really feel WTF!!!!! after paying $2000 for laptop it still crashes crashes crashes..............

I also contacted dell support regarding network issues and they say its my router or isp problem!!!.

Now I am thinking about buying new hard drive and install windows xp on it. Does anyone know if dell 1420 have any issues with windows xp sp2?

I wish I can just through out dell 1420 laptop out from my winodow and go back to my windows xp machine which usually gave me uptime of 4-5 days without any problems.

I am very very disappointed and pissed from vista. Microsoft fanboys, sorry! but vista truly sucks.

 

Problem is we have no choice...all laptops come loaded with vista....wish we have option to opt for XP SP2

U can make XP look like vista so looks dont really matter

 

My apologies for being poorer than Microsoft wills me to be.

 

Monopoly!!! ...i think Microsoft is adopting sales oriented culture like IBM....

 

Ok here are some legit problems I have encountered in last 30 miserable days dealing with windows vista.

1) Windows Vista crashes at least 1 time a day doing normal work and running multiple softwares.

2) Whenever my adsl router gets rebooted due to power failure comon in my area it never catches new ip address, even after disabling and enabling network adapter it do not catches new ip address, so i have to reboot my dell 1420 and enter 8 very very long passwords to start various processes and get back into business. I suspect it may be dsl router problem but damn thing works fine with my compaq xp machine.

3) when vista fails to capture new ip after dsl router reboot due to power failure it makes my instant messenger IP PHONE and skype offline this is costing me TONS of problems and missed calls on phone and instant messenger.

4) My creative zen players latest optimized software for vista crashes vista explorer and its pain to copy more then 2 files at single time.

5) Amibroker / AmiQuote stocks software do not works on windows vista making my life hell further... and now i am finding it impossible to work with vista because amibroker says their software works on windows vista but for some reason its not working on my business vista computer, please note the software cost $380.

6) VLC media player, Bit torrent, zone alarm, trillion etc., still have problems with vista, Sometimes they mysteriously crash on vista.

7) I have external monitor connected to left side of laptop every time i log off or lock the computer or if screen saver ends or I log back into vista it freaky changes display multiple times to laptop and then again to external monitor. When it happens all windows opens on laptop instead of external monitor and it sucks to drag them again from laptop to external monitor. This do not happens if computer doesn't to screen saver mode or I do not log off. Some times it changes the resolution of laptop screen from 1280x800 to 800x600 for some unknown reason but eventually rebooting 2 times fixes the problem.

8) Internet explorer 7 have rendered autofill option useless in password agent software because autofill short key is alt+shift+a but in Internet Explorer 7 alt is the key for activating menu hence short key do not work!

All these problems do not exists on my 3 years old compaq laptop running windows xp and now I CURSE THE DAY I ORDERED NEW DELL 1420 LAPTOP. I am now planning to drop dell from my shopping list forever as they intentionally sold me buggy vista software on dell 1420 by giving no option for windows xp and I really feel WTF!!!!! after paying $2000 for laptop it still crashes crashes crashes..............

I also contacted dell support regarding network issues and they say its my router or isp problem!!!.

Now I am thinking about buying new hard drive and install windows xp on it. Does anyone know if dell 1420 have any issues with windows xp sp2?

I wish I can just throw out dell 1420 laptop out from my window and go back to my windows xp machine which usually gave me uptime of 4-5 days without any problems.

I am very very disappointed and pissed from vista. Microsoft fanboys, I am sorry for so many complains but vista truly sucks because it has made life miserable for me.

edit:
1) did I mention that putty (ssh client) mysteriously loose connection after 20-30 minutes in windows vista where it doesn't in windows xp. I have to log back in again into 3-5 server every 30 minutes.
2) traceroute (tracert) command do not works in vista, it only goes up to 1 hop in windows vista machine. strange very very strange, i have researched about it though and I found its problems with vista + zone alaram configuration, so now i am going to uninstall zone alaram to confirm its indeed zone alarm and now windows vista.


All in all the dell is the culprit here for providing NO OPTION FOR WINDOWS XP.

 

You have that option! Or at least some laptops have an XP option.

Someday, Vista will be just as reliable and as fully compatible to everything as XP is today. But until that time comes, I'm sticking to XP

 

Vista is running ok for me. And it's going to be here to stay for around 7 years before Windows 7 goes RTM. By that time XP would have been phased out for most of us.

 

Most of your issues seem to be hardware and software related... not vista. About the same as me blaming vista since primera, inc did not release a driver for a thermal printer to work in vista.

Also, the other issues maybe related to a serious error between the monitor and chair.

 

well, I don't particularly hate Microsoft in general, in fact i think windows is a great desktop operating system but why the hell they force consumer to buy their buggy product before its stable. Why they force companies like dell to sale buggy operating system and make peoples life like hell!!!!

I mean I spent so much money on this laptop computer with whom I am stuck for at least 24 months and it has only been a month and I am already frustrated most of the time !!!! AT the time i ordered dell 1420 vostro was not introduced and there was no xp option in it as well for a month or two (atleast not in india).

btw, I uninstalled zone alarm and traceroute is now working fine, so it has something to do with zone alarm on windows vista. Overall, I think its nobodies mistake its my mistake I bought new windows vista based computer. I shouldn't have bought dell computer as lenovo had choice for windows xp OS.

 

We could argue that one all day... I've found vista to be stable... but not the software that goes onto to vista... which is what seems to be your issue, but you can't seem to separate the two issues.

Ok... well, sell it and get something else. Or purchase xp (can get for like $50 or maybe less). Honestly, you are making up complaints at this point.

Actually, zone alarm had issues in both xp and vista... I had to uninstall zone alarm from xp... it was crashing and killed my email. It was crazy.... I moved to comodo in xp... in vista I use vista's firewall for right now.

 

give me a break...if you can afford a notebook and a internet connection....you can afford to pay $20 for an extra gig of memory

 

Why do I dislike Vista? Because I can walk down the street, order a sandwich from a local deli, and it'll have more quality and skill in its construction.

 

that was a very bad analogy