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    Windows 10 Clean Installation Guide

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Sep 7, 2015.

  1. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    That's special. Windows Setup should not be looking at anything other than the drive you are pointing it to install to. It should have been oblivious to the presence of the SD card. Seems like another example of the lack of intelligence they have become famous for. These losers are no longer any better than Apple... peddlers of digital trash. As such, I have zero respect for them now.
     
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    I've always installed it with the SD Card inserted, was never a problem in the previous builds as the partition selection wizard doesn't even see or recognize the SD Card during OS installation since no Card reader driver is installed anyway. Classical Micro$h4ft Swiss cheese :rolleyes:
     
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    I think it's Micro$haft smegma.
     
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    looking forward for this @Phoenix thanks..
     
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    NP, already did it :)

    Yeah, it sucks that people are wasting so much time with Windows 10, when Windows 7/8.1 are so nice and stable.
     
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    Half of my pro software doesn't run on windows 7 anymore.... Yay.... Windows did it again!...
     
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    What about 8.1?
     
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    Georgel Notebook Virtuoso

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    8.1 is highly unstable with a ton of software. And it's ugly, hard to configure, hard to use... To be honest, I never used 8.1, went from 7 to 10 directly. Is 8.1 any good / worth considering? I could try to run it in a VM or dual boot if it's considerably ok...

    I've got another problem that I can't seem to track.

    When starting laptop -> hit power button -> black windows -> shut down completely, -> restarted again -> works. Any idea what that could had been? It was before POST so I guess it wasn't windows doing it, no?
     
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    Windows 8.1 with Metro and Metro hotspots disabled through ClassicShell or other Start replacement tools works great - and can be made to look like Windows 7.

    Besides Windows 8.1 can't be uglier than Windows 10 functional failures :cool:

    Windows 10 has a number of Black Screen failure modes, sorry, can't help you there.

    When Windows 8/8.1 was in it's early failure infancy it also got lots of MS Black Screen "fixes" and "breakage", but I haven't seen a Windows 8.1 Black Screen failure mentioned in a long time - even before Windows 10 released over a year ago now.
     
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    Phase 1 of this guide's rebuild is completed to reflect the new options presented on the Welcome Screen of the new Windows 10 Build. This is one tedious task
     
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    LiLCruz Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hello, Phoenix do recommend NTFS Compression on 250 GB OS ssd will get performance loss if I keep this on?
     
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    Never do NTFS compression unless you enjoy crippled performance. If you need more space, get a larger SSD.
     
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    Token CDN Notebook Evangelist

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    You happen to know yet if there's any changes to disable driver updates?
    I followed your guide - turned driver updates off, set a metered connection - but recently (Oct. 29 to be specific) W10 went ahead and "updated" my Intel gfx drivers with ones from way back in Jan.
     
  15. Papusan

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    Have you been a connected internet with Ethernet? :rolleyes:
     
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    Wifi only… None of the settings to turn off downloads have changed, but it did update anyways. I've rolled back the driver, and so far its staying in place. I seem to remember this happened before too, again the Intel GFX driver
     
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    The only way to avoid driver updates is to install all the latest drivers THEN only connect to the internet. No registry hack, group policy edit, or anything works to prevent driver updates other than disabling Windows Updates altogether. Microsoft thinks they know that drivers are best for our systems. :rolleyes:
     
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    It is a PITA. The newer Intel drivers do help with some of the screen flicker I've been having, so going backwards is a bad idea (you think b---ing out MS when they ask why I'm rolling back will help :rolleyes:). Not sure why its updating now, cause I did follow your directions exactly regarding driver updates. That's why I'm wondering if MS has done something else to screw with things in the more recent updates.
     
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    yes sir, forced driver updates unless you have the latest ones are a must unfortunately.
     
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    Might be dumb question isn't better just put storage devices MBR so windows won't install on second hardrive because it is uefi mode only install first one and you won't have remove the drives from the laptop correct me if I'm wrong.
     
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    that's a good solution as well.

    What I have found recently is, if you create 2 partitions on the first disk, example C: and D:, then even if you have the other drives connected and even if they're also GPT, Windows will NOT place the boot files on them :)
     
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    Great write up @Phoenix. Thank you for this...

    I was hoping you guys could help me with my Windows install issue on my AW17R4...

    I've ordered the computer on purpose with Windows 10 Home, since I already have a Pro key.

    The laptop has a 1TB m.2 and a 1TB spinner in it at the moment.

    I've created the recovery USB via media creation tool from M$. :/ I know I know...

    Last night I was super tired and booted up via the recovery and installed a fresh copy of Windows 10, however....it installed it onto the darn spinner instead of the m.2. *face palm...I was up for 23hours at the time...*

    I had taken out the spinner to see if I could reinstall windows just onto the m.2, but now the bios is not seeing the usb drive to be able to proceed with the windows install.

    After messing around with the settings in bios, I've finally decided to put the spinner back in and sure enough it boots into the m.2 (original W10 Home) just fine. I can also boot into the newly installed W10 on the spinner just fine by selecting it from the boot manager.

    If I restart and hit F12, I can select it to boot via the spinner that has the fresh copy of Windows on it, but bios does not see the usb recovery flash drive in that list under UEFI Options:

    --

    I'm wanting a fresh Windows install for two reasons:

    1. The key that I have requires for it to be entered during the windows install and can not be entered in while in Windows (My PC -> Properties -> Update key...). The new key will not work this way....

    2. I want a fresh copy of Windows 10 Pro on my m.2 and then install my 1TB 850 Pro SSD slave drive in the 2.5" sata....while I use the stock spinner as a paper weight.

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    Notes:

    The bios was set "RAID on" from factory with the 1tb m.2 and 1tb spinner.



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    Questions:

    Should secure boot be on or off?
    - By default it is selected to, "standard," and if I choose "custom" it opens up another option to go into "key management."

    ---

    Update:

    Okay so I've wiped the spinner using EaseUS Partition Master and that is now out of the laptop. The computer boots up just fine on the m.2.

    However, although it sees the recovery drive, when I'm in the screen during the install where I choose which drive I want to install windows on, nothing is in the list...so I had went into command prompt and did the following:

    Diskpart
    List Disk
    Select Disk 0
    Clean
    Convert GPT
    Exit

    ...yet nothing is showing up when I refresh the list. The only disk that shows is the USB Recovery as Disk 0...

    GOT IT....FINALLY! GOT IT....SHeeesh.....

    WINDOWS...M$....SMH....
     
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  23. Support.2@XOTIC PC

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    This guide has been very helpful for me when setting up my new rig :)
    I definitely feel like this machine is locked-down and I am in complete control!
     
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    on step ten where you say keep it plugged into the PC u mean unplug it from your working pc and plug it into the pc that doesn't have an OS correct?
     
  25. Spartan@HIDevolution

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    Yes I mean plug it in the PC where you want to install Windows on so you can boot off it on the target PC
     
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    ok thank you for clarifying.
     
  27. iunlock

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    If the laptop came with Windows 10 HOME and I want to do a fresh install of Windows 10 PRO with an OEM key...

    What is the best way to clear the stock key from the bios so that it doesn't automatically load it during the install?

    I need for the window to pop up where I can enter in the Windows OEM key during the installation.

    Thanks.
     
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    Try this? http://winaero.com/blog/how-to-change-windows-10-product-key/
     
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    Happy to help!
     
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    or place this in the sources folder of your USB stick. that way, when you are installing, it will prompt you which version you want to install

    extract the folder and only copy the eif.cg file in the sources folder: http://www.mediafire.com/file/wmcz2dtpxlut548/eif.cg_-_Windows_10.zip
     
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    @Phoenix I have scanned again the guide and I have noticed that there are some part of the guide that is changed. Like the cmd to disabled NTFS Compression and the part where to rename the This PC to Computer. Did you changed it on purpose because its not that needed anymore or just got deleted. Just curious. :D :D :D
     
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    it's not needed anymore, did I still leave it there?
     
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    nope.. its gone.. the disable ntfs compression in the guide is done by registry edit and no more guide for command prompt and the the guide to change This PC is also gone.. ok thanks for confirming you removed it on purpose coz it's not needed.. keep up the good work @Phoenix
     
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    yeah I just let Windows work as it should, haven't noticed anything get compressed:

    [​IMG]

    As for the change the This PC to Computer, I figured it's not a tweak and more of a personal preference. I still rename mine to Computer, call me 0ld sch00l
     
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    same here.. changed it to Computer.. Im old skol as well..
     
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    Forget it, just solved it somehow
     
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    I never used fast boot installing windows do recommend enabling it with the ssd? what does it even do? I know prema bios has that option to enable it
     
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    Fastboot in the BIOS has nothing to do with FastStartup in Windows.

    Fastboot skips some tests and POST features to speed up it's way through the BIOS startup. Once you are sure memory and hardware are stable I enable it and leave it enabled.

    The FastStartup / SlowShutdown in Windows 10 seems to cause a lot of problems, I disable them via disabling Hibernation that they rely on to function.

    In a Windows cmd window started Run As Administrator:

    powercfg /h off

    That will also remove the 1x RAM sized hiberfil.sys file from the boot Windows partition, saving a bunch of wasted space on the C drive.

    I also disable Windows Pagefile if there is more than 8GB of memory, which removes pagefile.sys - also a sizeable waste of space on the C drive. :)
     
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    Awesome guide Phoenix!

    I see that there are two other threads on tweaks and fixes and there seems to be a lot of overlap?

    About MS Defender, is it really necessary to disable it? I always found it to be lighter and less intrusive than others?

    Also, I am not sure if this thread is the correct one to ask:
    1. In case my machine comes with a pre-loaded win 10 home edition (with all the bloatware present), is there a way to make a clean installation from that? i.e. can I use the existing installation an clean in or would I need to download the ISO as you have guided?
    2. In the case of latter (i.e. install from a new ISO), would the key need to be manually keyed or would it be automatically detected?
    3. I want to upgrade to Pro. Is there a way to do so without using an MS account?

    Thanks!
     
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    MS Defender is the heaviest AV out there, you won't know what I'm talking about until you try one of the lighter one. Please switch to ESET's NOD32 Antivirus:

    [​IMG]


    1) you have to download the ISO to make a clean install

    2) If your laptop has the key embedded in the BIOS and you are installing Windows 10 in UEFI mode, then it will pickup the key automatically and wouldn't even prompt you to enter it during setup

    If it didn't for any reason, it is safer to actually view your key and write it down somewhere safe and keep it for your records

    Download RWEverything and launch it a admin


    Click on ACCESS > ACPI Tables

    Then go to the MSDM Tab:
    [​IMG]

    3) You don't need an MS Account

    Go to PC Settings > Updates & Security > Activation > Change Product Key

    Then enter the new key upgrade that you purchased from Microsoft

    Be smart... be like Phoenix
     
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    Thanks!

    So any ISO from MS (64-bit, home) will do and use your key? And the creation media tool automatically downloads ths ISO?
     
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    Depends on your OEM, there are 2 versions of Win 10 Home one is, retail version and another is Single Language which is locked to specific language only for ex, English UK or US. Just open up msinfo32 and if its clearly specified as Single Language or simply Win 10 Home
     
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    There is no more Home or Pro ISO. They are the same depending on what key you enter during setup the respective edition would be installed. Single Language needs it's own ISO though
     
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    I learned it the hard way though. I reinstalled clean using my non SL Home and Pro ISO only to find that my license is tied to Home SL only. I skip the license key and normally have it synced to Outlook account. Too many license(s) are hard to remember.
     
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    Thanks for reply will leave fastboot on but when enable it there alot settings these are default which ones should I change?
    Sata support all sata drivers
    VGA support efi driver
    USB support partial initial
    Ps2device support enabled
    Network stack driver support disabled
    Redirection support disabled
     
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    If you're not sure, it might be best to leave the settings as they are now.
     
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    I don't see any in that list that need changing. You could disable PS2device support, and check the options for USB Support, Network Stack I leave that disabled for security reasons same for Redirection support.

    As @alexhawker said, leave them at default if everything is working ok. :)
     
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