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    Windows 10 Question

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by 3Fees, Feb 18, 2015.

  1. 3Fees

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    For those whom are using the pre release version of Windows 10 (June RTM possibly)

    What are the dates of the Microsoft drivers in Device Manager for:

    Disk Drive
    Monitor
    Processors
    DVD/CD Rom Drives

    In my Win 8.1
    They are
    Disk Drives- 6/21/2006 / 6.3.9600.16384
    Monitor- 6/21/2006 / 6.3.9600.16384
    Processors-4/21/2009 / 6.3.9600.16384
    DVD/CD Rom Drives-6/21/2006 / 6.3.9600.16384

    Many System Device drivers as well 6/21/2006
    ect.

    Did Microsoft update there platform drivers in Windows 10 ? 2006 drivers are 9 Years old minus a few months.

    The real question here is, Are Windows 10 platform drivers rebadged or rebranded Windows 7 and Windows 8 drivers or have they been refreshed ?

    Windows 8 was rebadged or rebranded Windows 7 platform drivers.

    Windows 7 and 8 platform drivers are circa 2006 basically

    Whats the circa of Windows 10 platform drivers ? 2006,2007,,,2010,2015 ?

    Without platform drivers being refreshed, the operating system will be stuck with older slower drivers no matter what tweaks are done.

    The other words for rebadged or rebranded platform drivers is "Beached Whale Platform Drivers " or "Beached Whale Oses".

    Excuse me I need some time to drink some liquid refreshment.

    Cheers
    3Fees :)


    "One of the new Windows 10 features I wanted to try out was Cortana, Microsoft's voice-activated personal assistant. So, after installing the Windows 10 Technical Preview, I plugged in my trusty Blue Snowball microphone and waited for the plug-and-play to work its magic.

    Except, oh yeah, this is a technical preview, so a lot of third-party devices are rendered driverless and therefore cannot play nicely with Windows 10 in its current iteration. On a side note, if you need to use anything more advanced than a Bluetooth keyboard and a gaming mouse, you should avoid installing the latest Windows 10 build.

    Anyway, I decided to jump into Windows 10's inner workings to see if I could force my Snowball mic to work. If you open up the new Windows 10 Settings menu by going to the Start menu, then clicking Settings under the Places category, you'll see an icon that says Devices. This icon takes you to the Devices menu, which is more robust than Windows 8.1's Devices section ( Settings charm > PC settings > PC and devices > Devices), but decidedly less robust than the Device Manager, which you can still find by typing "Device Manager" into Windows 10's search bar."

    http://www.cnet.com/how-to/windows-10-settings-menu-the-devices-tab/

    Type Device Manager into Windows 10's search bar and look at the drivers dates. :)
     
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  2. StormJumper

    StormJumper Notebook Virtuoso

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    Well first off I did read in Maximum PC that they said the drivers for Windows 7 will work in Windows 10 from what they discussed. So your looking for new drivers for old hardware with Windows 10 is kinda off the mark for now.
     
  3. S.SubZero

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    Those dates are not accurate. It seems to be filler info just to imply that these are the ones that shipped with Windows. You can get the 'real' date through looking at the dates of the files in a command prompt.
     
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    Thanks for the Input so far, I'll narrow this down and look at Disk Drive-Driver provided by Microsoft in Win 8.1 Platform drivers-Platform drivers are the drivers Windows Operating system uses Natively or Comes on the disk for an M$ Operating System in the catalog of drivers.

    In Windows 8.1 , Disk Drive Driver in Device Manager is

    Disk Drives- 6/21/2006 / 6.3.9600.16384

    In Windows 10, Disk Drive Driver in Device Manager is
    Disk Drives- x/xx/20xx / x.x.xxxx.xxxxx

    The first two x.x is Version in Win 8.1 its 6.3
    The Next 4 xxxx is Build Number in Win 8.1 its 9600

    In Windows 10 from what I have deduced it will be

    Disk Drives-x/xx/20xx / 10.0.10022.xxxx 10022 could be released this Friday
    so
    Disk Drives x/xx/20xx / 10.0.9926.xxxxx

    Cheers
    3Fees :)

    I have deduced part of the answer myself, yet, I'd still like to see the file size for these Win 10 platform drivers that Microsoft provides natively and find out if there is something new about them or are they rebranded older drivers.

    One only needs to look in Device Manager expanded and then into the System Devices Expanded to see theres room for improvements , quite a few here say "No driver files are required or have been loaded for this device "--really ?

    Hopefully Win 10 will not just be a GUI change.

    Obviously, M$ will use WHQL certification for drivers and hardware companies will have to pay again to get there hardware WHQL certified for Win 10 by M$. Here the hardware companies will have to pass the cost on to the consumers.

    Cheers
    3Fees :)
     
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  5. S.SubZero

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    You're welcome to do so. I assume any changes to currently-working drivers will be minimal. If it's working, why tinker?

    It will have DX12, windowed "Universal" apps (the new-new-new name for Metro/ModernUI/Win8 apps), the GUI changes, the new browser, and stuff under the hood that we don't know about yet. Note that it will also be a free upgrade, and it's also ushering in the new 'sort of rolling release' model MS intends to switch to. Even if the initial Win10 is kinda boring, in the next couple of years it may become significantly different.

    Since WHQL certificatoin costs hundreds of millions of dolla....
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHQL_Testing
    er.. I mean.. hundreds of dollars per certification, I'm sure it will dramatically increase the costs of all hardware. Spread over the millions of nVidia video cards that get sold every year, that $250 will easily jack the price up about .002 cents.
     
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    So many things here,

    Heres one WHQL means Windows Hardware Quality Laboratory, in order to get the Hardware in the box logo certificated with compatible with windows 7,8,ect not only are the drivers tested, the hardware has to be tested as well by Microsoft that uses these drivers, they dont just accept logs of tests-unless M$ has inspected and approved the third party tests which for M$ approval costs them money as well and they tell them what equipment is necessary for there logs to be approved and this equipment is not cheap, M$ will do the Tests themselves as well thus getting the 3rd party costs of tests of hardware, so there is Hardware tests and driver tests and both of these are costs, what you see on the component level is a BRAND NEW SERIES of Components and these costs are not pennys for Items that Microsoft Certifies that can Cost up ten times, yes 10x more or less than the cost of a retail boxed M$ operating system. Wikipedia can edited by anyone with a Wikipedia account, get the price list from M$ itself for this hardware and driver testing, it wont be $250, much, much more than that. I could write this differently, however I think you get the point. Check it out, I know what you'll find out.

    Cheers
    3Fees :)
     
  7. Orlbuckeye

    Orlbuckeye Notebook Evangelist

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    The biggest issue with drivers is 32 bit versus 64 bit. After Windows 7 the majority of systems are 64 bit Windows was more of an issue back with XP which was 95% 32 bit. So these devices should work without issue and you can manually retreive newer drivers when available.
     
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    I say this for now until it get a release where I or other can really push and test it we can speculate all we want til it comes out for us to really purchase and use then we can find out what is and isn't in the package and what O/S we get to use. It does look promising but I hold judgement til we get Retail or OEM installs then we can see what WinX is all about. But I like the fact it will load and run Win7 drivers and software and if that is the case then user will take a liking to WinX even if ugh... Metro is still there...