Windows 8-What is the deal?

Hey guys, so I know windows 8 is out and I just wanted to see what everyone's take is. Yes, I have researched it and read through many many posts but I want to see what you guys think the biggest advantages and disadvantages are.

INHO, I don't care for windows 8 but I have not used it on a desktop or laptop. Just win 8 phone. I have watched vids on it and it just feels way too social oriented to me. Everything can be connected to facebook, twitter, xbox, etc. I dont really care for those features. Im rarely on my facebook and anyway, I have a phone to do that stuff.

Is it really much lighter on resources? Or is that another marketing gimmick? And how much space does a fresh install take?

Thanks guys!

 

It's said to be more efficient on resources, but it's hardly marginal from what I've seen. Gamers might appreciate this more to squeeze every FPS they can out of their games.

If you're not really into "being connected", then there are workarounds to either disable the metro UI via registry editing (may not work and may not produce stable results), or you can install one of many skinning applications for the desktop.

It has it's perks, but it's going to take some time to gain favor (assuming it ever will).

 

I've saw some benchmarks that said otherwise. But the difference was very weak, 1-2 FPS most of the times.

 

My R&D has turned up much the same. Where did you find those benchmarks?

 

^^^Tom's Hardware Site.

 

Is there any advantage to running windows 8 from SSD? i mean obviously yes there is an advantage but from my research, I am seeing that a SSD doesnt speed windows 8 up nearly as much as win 7.

Win 8 seems like a cool concept but to me it seems like a bit of a stretch. Im not sure if I can see the business world and most schools running windows 8.

 

Here are the benchmarks for those interested...
Windows 8 Versus Windows 7: Game Performance, Benchmarked : Does Windows 8 Let You Play Just Like Windows 7?

 

Win 8 seems much faster to boot on my Vaio F2 but not any faster once it's up and running (I did an upgrade from Win 7, not a clean install, for the record). On a non-touchscreen device, the main advantage is better streaming media. Win 8 apps from Netflix, ABC, etc tend to have much better stability and better quality than the web interfaces you use in Win 7. Otherwise, it's about as efficient (measuring clicks and keystrokes needed to accomplish certain tasks) as Windows 7. Not more efficient but not less efficient. There is some learning curve because, like with the transition to the ribbon in MS Office, everything has been rearranged. So until you have the new arrangement committed to memory, it feels much less efficient. Once you have the new arrangement down, it's comparable.

On a touchscreen-equipped device, it's just really pleasant. Great interface.

As for whether businesses will adopt it, those that use both desktops and tablets (i.e., businesses that equip sales personnel or travelers with tablets) probably will. If you could spend X amount on employee training for one OS (Windows 8) that worked on both PCs and tablets, or spend 2X on employee training for two OSes (Windows 7 and iOS), which would you do? Businesses that don't use tablets probably will stick with Windows 7 until there's a pressing need to upgrade, just like many businesses stuck with Windows XP even through today (like my company).

 

I hadn't thought about the app stability bonus. That is a nice feature. I hate having to update flash for each browser, etc.

Does win 8 appear to be fairly stable?

Additionally, that is a good point. Win 8 may be adopted if people are already accustomed to using it.

 

It's not just that the Netflix and ABC Windows 8 apps are more stable than web browsers, but the image quality for a given connection speed is vastly improved. With ABC's web interface, I could barely make out people's facial expressions as they danced on Dancing with the Stars; with the Windows 8 ABC app and the same internet connection, I could see the subtle texturing on the host's suit.

Windows 8's overall stability is a step back from Windows 7 but improving rapidly. Remembering it's a month old instead of three years old. On day one, it was pretty buggy. A month in, most of those bugs have quietly disappeared and it runs much smoother, though not as smooth as Windows 7 (which has three years of refinement under its belt).

 

it's windows phone 8--and it's pretty safe to say that the similarities between WP8 and W8 end with live tiles/modern UI.

the only part of W8 i can assume you'd consider to be 'socially oriented' is the live tile features of the start screen. think about how much you actually used the start menu in W7, and now imagine that that's how much you'll use the start screen in W8 (at least while on a PC, be it a desktop or notebook). while in the W8 desktop there is little-to-no discernible difference between it and W7.

both. i don't know if i'd say much lighter, but think about it like this: it's designed to better optimize more modern hardware configurations.

Windows 8 System Requirements -- windows.microsoft.com... YMMV

 

Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 are not the same operating system. You can't judge Windows 8 by using a WP8 phone, just like you can't judge OSX (the operating system on Mac computers) by using an iPhone. There are aesthetic similarities between OSX and iOS, but they're not the same OS. There are aesthetic similarities between Windows 8 and WP8, but they're not the same OS.

 

so you mean to say that part of the OP wasn't as glaringly fallacious to you upon first read as it was to me? thanks for refining my comment for me.

maybe a relevant question--how can you dislike W8 if you've never used it, OP? it's hard to get a feel for something just by watching videos. my take is that you should definitely try it out for a few weeks and see how you feel about it then.

 

The benchmark test from Toms was certainly interesting and enlightening:

"Of the 10 games we benchmarked, only one demonstrated a significant difference in moving from Windows 7 to Windows 8, and only on Nvidia's GeForce GTX 660. That game was Borderlands 2, where our average measured frame rate dropped from 86.6 to 81 FPS. But at that speed, the five-frame drop is hardly worth fretting over."

With A Couple Of Exceptions, Gaming on Windows 8 Is A Similar Experience : Windows 8 Versus Windows 7: Game Performance, Benchmarked (already posted by another user here).

Also, I don't think the OP was speaking from a completely biased point of view - he just doesn't like what he's seen. But I agree with mattcheau; try it out before you dismiss it. The metro UI had to grow on me some (I'm still not fond of it, but it's digestible to me now at least).

 

What killed it for me was the killing of Aero and gadgets. I don't use the start button anyway so no big deal, I use Rocket Doc. As far as the Modern UI, I got used to avoiding it. But to kill the looks of the desktop was a killer for me. Also to not alow Gadgets without an unstable hack pishaw. So now I'm done with Windows 8 in it present form.

Fact is I am looking for just a consumable tablet and was thinking Win8 RT. I am so disgusted by what M$ wants to do to the desktop I am thinking of puting my money towards an alternate as there are plenty of others out there. Why should my money support M$ and their push of the Modern UI when they won't support my likes and needs on the desktop?

 

^ I hated the gadgets with the fire of a thousand suns.
Also, win 8 is just about learning. If you get used to it, I think a lot of people would agree with me that windows 8 is more pleasant to use than 7. I mean c'mon, win + x to access all resources, win + q for searches, win + c to shut on / off... I find it really better to use, once you've gotten used to it. The OS IS lighter - one just has to open the task manager, which is by the way, better in win 8, to notice that the OS is lighter on the RAM for example - and there are slight improves in fps. Lots of things in term of connectivity have been improved - win + p and you're ready to go with your external display ! - and you DEFINITELY don't have to use the overconnected feces that plagues every internet-capable device lately. And true full-screen mode. At last !
BUT there is a catch :
1) you have to relearn. Basically it's fun and doesn't take more than a few days to use it as you used 7 (seriously I'm growing sick of people complaining about having to learn new things. It's a new OS, if they had only improved the code everybody would have been like "THEY DIDNT DO ANYTHING THEY'RE STARTING TO SELL THEIR UPGRADES !"; and learning how to use a laptop is not harder than a middle school class...). Also google will be your friend the first few days. You did it with xp, you did it with 7, you can do it with 8, plus it's pretty, so it gives you - me at least - the will to learn how to use it.
2) This is more the REAL problem of windows 8 : some features are still buggy. I'd even say not ready. For example the switching between the desktop and the metro programs doesn't feel right. Something has to be done about that. Things rather annoying are - again - the apps bugging. A lot of them aren't stable, like skype getting made if you get too many calls at the same time (it won't stop ringing !) and other bugs. Apparently there were a lot more a few months ago that have been corrected. Well I hope they'll keep up the good work because as it is now, win 8 seems more like something a beta, or as many people say, a concept. So paying the full upgrade ? I dunno. Having it preinstalled on an order ? No probrem.

If you're thinking about Apple, well you've just shown how much spiteful you are That in fact might be the biggest oxymoron of the week, going to Apple because microsoft is too closed and not enough customizable . If you're thinking about android, you do know that most android tablets will get very laggy after a few updates ? The only thing we could reproach to microsoft with it's tablet is the price (and the useless windows rt that is a pure ripoff). Because if you're asked about whether you want an android, apple or windows tablet, well the choice is very clear. A windows tablet is a computer. And may RT disappear from the new devices in the next few months, because I agree with you on that point : it's a completely useless system.

 

did something change from the beta builds? I used gadgets fine using a beta build.

 

and can somebody, for the love of the big man, please explain to me the whole 'aero is gone' point? what are you talking about? no more windows transparency (even though the taskbar is still transparent) and 3D flip is gone (as if anybody ever really used it over 'alt + tab'), replaced by the left-hand recent apps switcher... just about everything else is still there. i'll spare myself the list.

w, tf, is aero? [/sarcasm]

by the way, i'm shocked that the gadget crowd doesn't dig the start screen.

 

This.
I really don't care about what Start menu/screen I have, I cane easily adjust. I just want the Aero glass back.

 

so that really is it, huh? as but only one aspect of aero, people should clarify what they mean. glass and widgets, glass and widgets. got it.

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Win 8, it's aight, but I dislike change. Me stick with Win 7. Me like gadgets! Me like Aero! Me like start button! Me have plenty of resources! Me no need 1 more FPS for games! Me need less TPF in F@h!

 

I hear you, loud and clear. Too bad that Microsoft is tone-deaf.

The usual nonsense. No, it is not "just about learning". Windows 8 has clear and objective drawbacks compared to Windows 7, for people doing a certain kind of work. On top of that, it has next to no tangible benefits for that group. Looking at the overall reception of Windows 8, that group is not small. Mind you, this does not invalidate your liking Windows 8, but I am getting sick and tired of this inane mantra of how it's just about change, and how us old farts are just too crusty to adapt, and similar idiocies.

There are very good reasons why many people dislike this approach. Heck, this is why GUIs where invented in the first place! Ever heard of the notion of discoverability? Visual feedback before an action is initiated? "Win+q" for searches? For cryin' out loud! So, next time Microsoft decides to drop GUIs altogether, and go back to the good old command line, you'll be right there with them, I take it? After all, it'll be just about learning, right?

And I am not even going to get into the topic of how Microsoft has crippled their desktop search interfaces even more (to be honest, this has already happened in Windows 7 compared to Vista, which presented a high point as far as desktop search was concerned).

Oh please. This nonsense has been refuted often enough now.

Here's the shocker: I do Win+p in Windows 7, and I'm ready to go with my external display. Awesome, innit?

Oh, you are? Interesting. Can you point to a single post among the thousands on this topic that expresses such a sentiment?

A matter of taste, obviosuly. I think it looks like crap.

Hey, we agree on something.

No problem. See here, for starters.

Interesting remark. Shows just how little you understand. The big difference is that the Start Screen rips you out of your current context, whereas desktop applications, gadgets, etc., don't. Not that this hasn't been discussed at nauseam around here and all over the web.

 

The same was said about windows 7 when it was released. I still don't get how it has become a standard and is even being used against windows 8. If you really want me to find these articles about how win 7 is gonna fail (back when it was released) either google or ask me.

Well you can still search the usual way. These are just exactly the same kind of shortcuts as there were in Win7 like windows A to open cmd if I'm correct, etc. BUT I agree with you that unlike windows 7, where I found those "naturally", win 8 forces you more to learn them. Meh, I've been using different linux distribs too since years so I'm not gonna complain about how windows isn't intuitive.

I don't even want to argue on this as I've seen myself a 300 mo drop in RAM usage on the same computer with exactly the same programs running (brand new win 7 upgraded to 8). No bloatware on the 7 before you ask, I know how to do comparisons, thanks. And if you're dissatisfied with this claim, I suggest you run benches and sue microsoft, as it's one of their main argument about win 8. And I googled and found many people doing their own benches on forum showing how win 8 is lighter.

Who said I read that on this topic ? It's just the usual thing with people. Remember when GB became the standard for RAM or even hdd ? People were like "omg it suuuuuucks". People hate improvement. They like complaining. Once again just like with win 7 when everybody was like " NOOO TREASON XP IS WAY BETTER MS IS RIPPING US OFF SINCE XP". When win 9 will be released, we'll hear "such a letdown compared to win 8 !". Oh, and if you're gonna tell me win 7 sucked at release compared to xp, ok sure, I agree, it was far from being as stable, and it broke many habits for people upgrading from xp. But win 7 got better with updates, and people got used to it. Well the same will happen with 8.

But the desktop is the same as that of windows 7... There are barely any differences apart from the color of the tray bar which can be changed (but I'll agree with you and that, the monotone color is... monotone)...

Oh and one last point : stop it with aero.The only difference now is that if you let the mouse on the bottom right corner of the desktop you won't be able to see it. Tell me how useful it is ? The only real thing aero was good for is seeing a program without having to fully open it, which you can still do. If it's about the bars being transparent, well they still are, except the one at the top of windowed programs, and I'm sure you can change that, even though I fail to see the point...

Edit : Here for aero http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-enable-and-customize-aero-glass-in-windows-8-video/ . Even though once again I fail to see how useful it is to see the desktop through the 5mm bar of the windowed programs... Cause Aero reduces performance when gaming, aero is useless for professionals - yes, you're supposed to work, not look through the transparent windows features -, so the only people who can really complain about aero are those who use their computer for entertainment etc. And I don't see how this changes anything for those people, really, I very honestly and sincerely need an explanation about aero because I seem not to get the whole point of it.
Edit 2 : Tried it, it sucks.

 

I absolutely LOVE change for the better, for me Win8 is not better. It is not a better desktop system and I've not only lost usage with gadgets but eye candy with Aero Glass etc. Since I have no need to interface a Consumption system with my production system the OS is of no matter.

Whether it be Apple, Android or Win8 all should do fine. I again state why should I support M$ with my money when for a new OS they are not supporting my wants and needs. Now with MinWin and it improvements if they either hold over, or improve, desktop usage of Win7 in Win8 then I'll change my mind. Till then it is my money to spend and I will use my purchasing power as I see fit. Hopefully others will not just conform to change for the sake of change and follow suit..................

Edit; Aero has a slightly shorter bar giving a bit more app realestate. Also Aero is video hardware accelerated so machine performance for most work is not affected. Just because you see no point does not mean others won't either!

 

So the only purpose is having a shorter bar ? Well I'm comparing at same resolution right now on my win7 and win 8 PCs and I don't see any difference, 1mm at best. However I do know that know I can use full screen much better than in win 7 (yay at last alt tabbing between full screen programs !), which saves more "app realestate" (not that it matters anyway given the whole size of the screen, unless you're using a 7"). So I'm sure this is not the only reason people want aero back. Snap is much better for productivity and "app realestate" too. However I see a possible improvement for win 8 : when you put your mouse at the left of the screen and it shows the columm of running apps and programs, it would have been much better if alt tab just displayed this bar, letting you use the keys to navigate more easily. But anyway, the touchpad already allows you to alt tab by swiping from the very very left slightly to the right. But that's... so minor I don't even know why I'm mentioning it.

 

By all means, go ahead and try and find evidence, any evidence at all, that would show that Windows 7 was received as poorly as Windows 8 is being received. You're going to have a hard time, I'll tell you that, since your assertion to that effect is pure and unadulterated BS, sorry. Windows 7 was introduced to near-universal acclaim. With Windows 8, it's the exact opposite. Nobody, but absolutely nobody living on this planet would dispute this, and that includes people who like Windows 8. It's a fact, deal with it.

In case it matters, I have been using Linux since before there were any real Linux distributions. In fact, up until Windows 2000 came out, I have used Linux exclusively on my personal workstation. There is nothing "unintuitive" about Linux per se, nor most of its GUIs, but they are different, in a profound way, from Windows.

You don't get the point. So you save 300MB? Big whoop! Who the hell cares? People used to whine about Vista struggling on machines with 2gigs of memory back in the day. Then Win7 came around, and people were happy to claim that it ran fine in 2Gigs of RAM. The only issue was, by that time, nobody cared anymore, since 4+gigs had become standard. So now, in 2012, you think anybody should give a flying fart for a Windows that can make do with a few hundred MBs less (if those are real, which they're not, but I don't even care to go there since, like I said, it doesn't matter). Sheesh, your standard cell phone these days has plenty of memory to run an OS like Windows 7 just fine. It's simply laughable to tout Win8's memory footprint as anything that is of any consequence at all.

Ahh, "just the usual thing with people". I see. So you're saying you're sick and tired of your fantasies of what people think? Be my guest.

Uhmm, no, I wouldn't say anything as inane as that.

There's plenty of differences, including the fact that Microsoft took away almost all desktop customization. Sure, you clearly have no clue that these things existed, but others do.

 

Well seems like we got some great info here! I have not actually gotten to try windows 8, like i said, I just played with a win 8 phone. Ive seen many videos on the internet, but I definitely will try it myself. Im just trying to determine wether windows 8 will be a part of my desktop build or if I will stick with windows 7 for now.

Im glad to hear you guys are happy with win 8. I wanted to see what the general consensus is. Whenever a new OS comes out, there are always bugs, advantages and disadvantages.

I will admit, tutorials, videos, and reviews online do not win 8 justice. My views were biased and thats partly why I posted this. I wanted to see how others felt and I will definitely give windows 8 another shot!

 

like i said, windows phone 8.

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Yeah, NOT the same operating system at all. If you've used "a Windows 8 phone," you have not used the Windows 8 we're talking about here. You've used Windows Phone 8, a totally different operating system.

 

To Pirx :
10 reasons why Windows 7 could fail | TechRepublic
Windows 7 Will Fail To Deliver - LockerGnome
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...uoG4BQ&usg=AFQjCNEMnQMdnUBhh2pYe-lvQorTJXM89g
7 Things We Hate About Windows 7
If you love Windows XP, you'll hate Windows 7 | ZDNet
Those were from the first two pages of google... but as said, you can't satisfy everybody heh. Showed you about how the OS is lighter, you changed your mind from "it's not true" to "we don't care" (lulz at we don't care when performance is one of the biggest thing to consider when upgrading. It just shows the potential of win 8 when it will be fixed). And windows 8 is criticized in most review (and the rest of the reviews is usually positive) in general for ONE feature : either the start menu and button or the start menu and button, or, more rarely, the start menu and button. Oh maybe also because it's just a lighter version of win 7 with fancy things happening ONLY when you press the win key, and so not worth the money - which doesn't mean you should downgrade if you buy a system with win 8.

I'm not "others" apparently. I don't care about my desktop, because I don't run my computer to watch the desktop. I only expect pure performance for simulations and other things related to math and physics, or for games, from my computers. The functionality didn't change, you can still put a shortcut and double click to run your program. That's all the desktop is supposed to be in my opinion. You've probably been using since much longer than me, and I'm surprised you complain about GUI when actually one of Linux's point is to focus on what the computer is supposed to be, not on the fanciness of windows. Do you realize some die hard linux fans (not me because I agree with you though that a GUI isn't a bad thing, but both gui and command lines should be useable) would even like windows to be as console-oriented (as long as it's free) as linux distribs ? In the end I agree to disagree, I'm starting to think we don't have the same expectations of our computers. The day Linux distribs will run natively games and dx (which will never happen of course), since I already use most of my work software on linux, I'd be happy to switch definitely to linux.

To OP : if you're thinking about buying an upgrade, it's not worth it. If you have to buy a win 8 system and asked if you should downgrade, I'd have said no. But apparently we're all having different opinions on this OS so I have no idea, maybe you should try it on a friend's computer...

Edit : I felt compelled to show this one to everybody reading Steven Vaughan-Nicols reviews of win 8. You know, the most biased journalist on earth who hates microsoft with the fire of a thousand sun and would have loved linux to rule the world ? Btw the only guy finding lots of things to criticize about win 8, saying how 7 was better and was the best OS ever (only in windows 8 articles of course !) etc etc ? Well : http://blogs.computerworld.com/14542/seven_reasons_to_skip_windows_7 ! Aren't these EXACTLY the same critics he made about windows 8 compared to 7 ? I'm starting to think he uses a template at each release. XD

 

The majority of what you link too is pre release of Win7. Some of the problems of the beta's like loosing the start button were from the beta itself. Too many folders casued the loss of the start menu. I had this happen is how I know.

The grumpy bear even advertises being grumpy about any and every thing! Anyone on XP who just Loves it will hate Windows 8 even more than Win7. Also the last link there were issues for those giving up XP but since the machines capable of running Vista the same hardware is usually capable of running Win7 or Win8.

Despite Vista performance issues I actually liked it. Once fixed with the service packs I likes it even more. Windows 7 for all intents was just a super sized service pack. Most desktop users would have liked to see Windows 8 and MinWin a super service pack with the added modern UI as a configurable option to access from the desktop. Why not just from the password have a radio button to determince classic 7 desktop or present modern UI usage?

There is no arguing there are some improvements to Win8. That is not the point, the problem lies in its usage and hardware optimization for some users. During the first beta's of Win8 I was all for it, enhancements to performance and all. Then they changed it, not like they had too they just did........................

 

Congratulations, looks like you have learnt something. The first step to enlightenment.

 

Ah i gotcha. I was under the impression that windows phone 8 was running a mobility version of windows 8. I see that is not the case.

Windows 8 does look and feel smooth. I guess i still should get my hands on a copy and try it. Problem is everyone i know is like me! Were all waiting to see if its worth upgrading too

 

For now the simple answer is are you happy with your systems function as it is now? If so upgrading gives you really nothing of note except on minimalist systems. Systems with slow drives etc. the faster booting of Windows 8 may become more apparent. Also the slightly leaner running Windows 8 may be more appealing.

With MinWin, and possibly Modern UI, there may be more appealing reasons to upgrade later. Until developers make apps that you just must have that require either of those you are safe. As of yet there are no "Requires Windows 8 or above" apps out there yet, unless you are counting the windows store for modern ui apps.

 

what usage and hardware optimization problems? what enhancements to performance were changed from beta to release? please be specific. link an article if you have to.

okay, glass and gadgets. we got that. what likes and needs are you specifically referring to?

what clear and objective drawbacks? and what certain kind of work is affected? please be specific.

by all means, please do. we've been waiting. how have they crippled their desktop search interfaces? please be specific.

you cannot be serious. it rips you out of your current context? i mean i get what you're trying to say, but reflecting on having said that--does that actually make sense to you?

we get the gadgets and glass. what gadget usage have you lost though? what cetera? please be specific.

i again ask, what wants and needs? please be specific.

you realize that the "app real estate" you're referring to is the absence of window borders that take up maybe five lines of pixels on the left and right edges of windows combined?

what are you talking about? seriously. aero is "video hardware accelerated"... can you please explain what you mean by this.

we've been disputing this with you, Pirx.

what differences? what customization was taken away? please be specific.
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both of you, please respond to these comments. your posts are like unsubstantiated broken records. it's the same baseless nonsense over and over. if i did this same thing in the W8 thread, it'd be even worse. Pirx, i wish i had five bucks for everytime i've seen you say that your "core user experience" has been ripped away from you. what core user experience? please be specific. it's high time somebody called you guys out on these "arguments" that you keep making over and over which literally make zero sense. unintentional comedy levels are off the charts--at this point it's become entertaining to see you guys repeat this unsupported poppycock over and over and over. this isn't a personal attack either. i'm asking you guys to please respond constructively.

 

I have written about this extensively, as you very well know. The Start Screen is not a substitute for the Start Menu, for a whole host of reasons. Prime among these is its non-hierarchical nature, which makes it extremely awkward for people who have more than a very small number of applications they use. The second issue is the way it intrudes into the continuity of your work, forcing a needless context switch.

O.k., see, I have roughly 130,000 items indexed on my machine at this point in time. If I do a search on that near-useless Start Screen that returns hundreds of results, I'm simply screwed. In the previous Explorer interface, I could still efficiently sort through the results, based on a fairly deep set of parameters.

Sheesh, you know damn well that I have written pages and pages on that topic. I am not going to continue indulging this nonsense from you. Feel free to search my posts on the topic.

Again, I have discussed those in detail before as well. Just Right-click your Win7 desktop, then "Window Color and Appearance"->"Advanced Appearance Settings". Gone in Win8.

Complete and utter BS. I in particular have written pages upon pages with specific details. Feel free to look 'em up.

I'll tell you what: I'll give you ten bucks for every single instance where the terms "core user experience" have appeared, in any of my posts, anywhere on the internet, ever. As a matter of fact, I cringe every time I hear some nitwit babble about some "this-or-that experience" in Win8

 

By the way, those cute little anecdotes you are digging out here are worthless, of course, no matter how many you find. What you should be looking at is the cold, hard data. Those look distressing for Windows 8, to say the least. I have linked to this one before, but here it is again:

So, what were you saying again about Windows 8 being just the same as Windows 7 as far as customer reception is concerned? The same is true for the OEMs: A far lower percentage of new PCs came with Windows 8 within the first weeks after release than what was the case after the launch of Windows 7.

Bottom line: Anyway you look at it, Win8 has been a dud so far, and may well become the albatross around Microsoft's neck. Congratulations.

 

Ooh, and I am quaking in my boots now, I tell you. Terrified, I am.
As for not making sense, well, reminds me of how my son comes complaining about some math or other "not making any sense". Hint: The issue is not with the math. So it is with you.

Yep, no personal attack in there, none at all. Thanks for the constructive challenge.

I have to say, however, my son at least doesn't see any comedy in the math he doesn't get, I'll give him that.

 

searching from the start menu only returns cached and recently accessed files. to see more results in W7 you have to click 'see more results,' which launches explorer. the same goes for W8's search from within the start screen--the results are limited by design. you should be using explorer to search through that many items anyway (which it sounds like you are, otherwise i don't know where you'd be setting these "deep parameters"). W8's explorer interface is pretty much the same as W7's explorer interface. actually, i think the W8 interface is improved to the extent that many settings previously only accessible from within 'folder options' are now placed directly onto the ribbon (e.g. show hidden files/folders, hide file extensions). either way there's no point in comparing W7's start menu search or W8's start screen search to a search from within explorer.

in one of your posts that i've linked below you actually outright refused to explain yourself so no, you haven't explained what type of work you do that's been so detrimentally affected. that's why i'm asking you to give specific examples--which shouldn't be a hard thing to do if there's so many that you've written pages about them. give me just one example of a work-related task that's been frustrated by changes in W8.

if you're talking about this menu and that's how you customize the appearance, you're even further behind than i thought. but this really doesn't affect your productivity, does it?

you really haven't, Pirx. that's why i'm asking you for specifics. we've both followed this discussion for a few months now and your comments are consistently unsupported by any examples or specifics.

i concede that what i actually recall you arguing is how microsoft has alienated their 'core user base,' which obviously isn't the same thing but is still equally as baseless. (see here and here.)

haha, all i said is that somebody should call you out for failing to support your claims with specific examples. does that analogy honestly make sense to you? because it doesn't to me. for the sake of you son, get him a math tutor.

calling your posts unintentionally comedic isn't an insult. it's evident that you're serious. the fact that your posts are completely unsubstantiated more often that not makes them funny to me. taken together with your seriousness, unintentional comedy usually results. i mean you're funny, i'll give you that.

by the way, i'm still hoping that TANWare decides to reply too.

 

Sorry, shopping for a tablet has taken up quite a bit of time. Vast market out there I am trying to become familiar with.

Back to my point is Aero and its features are usually GPU accelerated. No real CPU resources but I'll agree with memory bus issues. Just have M$ leave my desktop as it was and I'll be fine.

Gadgets for me are primarily system monitoring ones. CPU, memory, network and the like. I don't use the majority that are going all over the net just asking for issues.

Matcheau, I'll appologize but you are just looking to stick up for Win8 where you can attempt to prod certain users. I can't be prodded, many have tried that are way more adept to this than yourself.

You can post all you want but my opinions, along with others apparently, will not be swayed. But I will end this, so you are 100% right and others will just have to make up their own minds. Nice thing about the free market, isn't it!

Edit; Surface and everything Win8 RT right now just stinks. 1366x768, YUCKies. Leaning towards Android 4.xx and those stunning high res screens, no decision yet...................

 

not prodding, just asking you to explain statements you made. if you say that your wants and needs aren't being met or that you're dissatisfied with changes made from beta to general availability or that other "usage... etc." has been taken away, one would think that you'd explain what you mean. but apparently you can't. it seems like you think we'll just assume that you know what you're talking about, but it comes across as unsubstantiated rambling. maybe that's why your wants and needs aren't being met because even you don't know what they are. i'm convinced you and Pirx just hopped on the naysayer bandwagon and now don't know how to get off.

 

I'll repeat myself, don't go with the androids, they become awfully laggy after a few OS updates. If I were you I'd consider the entry level win 8 (NOT TY RT) tablets like the ativ. Also iPads are the biggest ripoff ever invented but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't consider such a thing. Also I saw screens on the alienware forums where the guys had monitoring gadgets on win 8, if I can find them again I'll edit.
Also in the "my link are cute and they don't make any point" line, Living with Windows 8: On the desktop, it's just a better Windows 7 | ZDNet . Nobody would dispute 8 is a letdown. NOBODY. (I found think link googling "win 8 monitoring gadget", so yeah, I just keep finding positive reviews randomly. But remember, this is just a cute link.)

 

i dispute that on 'meh' grounds. i'm not a staunch defender of W8, i just don't think it's as big a deal, good or bad, as all the hullabaloo found across the internet and on this board would have you believe. to answer OP's question: it's the newest iteration of windows. that's the deal.

 

Let's cut the bickering in here (and in all the W8-related threads). Obviously we're not going to change each others' opinions, and dissecting every post word by word to make "clever" remarks isn't helping. So, let's all take a deep breath and move on. Thanks.

 

YES WE YES YES.


Okay maybe not. W8 just seems like a choice of like... doesn't seem like something everyone likes, contrary to W7 which basically blew a lot of users away.

 

Seems W8 want to merge the pc, the phone, the dishwasher and everything in-between into one OS, for the moment looks like a "Jack of all trades, master of none" attempt, but let's see what they come up with over time, it may one day evolve into something that people in general want, but they'll have to fight Apple & Google all along the road... That said, am quite happy with the underlying OS + Classic Shell, not being forced into 'the interface previously known as metro'.

 

That is weirde ALL android tablets slow down after a few OS upgrades. I wonder if this has to do with the electronic internal storage. MLC if not errased on the old blocks when the new os writes to the new blocks could severly slow the media down whwen it attempts writing to blocks with data present. this could make the devices extremely laggy, but again I am purely speculating and this is off topic.

On topic if Win8 RT treats the hardware the same it could eventually have this issue as well. Since you usually would not replace the entire OS though it may take longer to show up, if at all...............................

 

THIS.

Windows 8 threads are nastier and more unpleasant-toned than the off-topic thread about the Connecticut massacre and gun control. Considering that thread is about two dozen dead kids and Windows 8 threads are about some people not liking one particular computer operating system...well there's just something wrong with that.

 

Could not resist any further. I got a Nexus 10. Posting on it right now.....

 

Good for you. Hope you enjoy it.